UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #9

[MidsummersDay]

I was thinking lowered like the below and then misjudged when reversing?

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Like I say I'd be impressed if a 44-tonne went anywhere near there and the road has a 7.5 tonne limit: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.2...xp0S-fHg!2e0!5s20151001T000000!7i13312!8i6656

I genuinely think that's too low. An artic front of trailer overhang would be ideal but if the road doesn't allow....then the road doesn't allow.

The only other vehicle I can think of is an overhang on a specialist vehicle like a bin lorry (if it has one?)

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[TheTruthWillOut]

Plus Midsummer, it could of course be the damage was done way before Corrie went missing?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Anyone seen this - some nutter going around BSE trying to beat up clowns... this was on October 16th at 4:30am, just up the road n Risbygate Street (which becomes Brentgovel)

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/killer_c...eapon_admits_he_regrets_his_actions_1_4757231

 

[Dcflag]

There's a documentary on More4 about this case, think it's next week. Not sure if it will be any good but can get the details for you if you fancy watching it?

Yes please, will record it for nights like these when there's a sleep strike!

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I thought the broken wall looked more like it was over the other side of the road near the Cornhill centre, and not in the horseshoe.

I think Corrie could have easily crossed the street to Short Brackland when the Brentgovel(?) camera was facing the frontage of Greggs as it did when running man entered shot.

It's a shame we don't have any examples of CCTV footage from Short Brackland. I'm just trying to fight a locky-uppy computer to try to streeview walk down there. The first thing I see on the left (as you leave the horseshoe) is a parking bay with more bins.

There is another black door on the side of a building, in addition to the one Roger the Lodger pointed out to us earlier, both on the left side of the street approximately opposite to the parking at the rear of the Cornhill centre.

The Cornhill rear parking bay seems to be something you can walk through and come out the other side into a housing area?


I found the CCTV camera, I think. It's on the side of a building with a street sign saying Lawsons Yard right underneath it. I'd estimate it's just over half-way down Short Brackland, on the left side of the street...the road curves a bit so its view to the right (towards the Cornhill rear parking) would be limited by the curve and some trees, and the view left is limited by the camera being fitted to the right side of the building, so I can't see it having any left view to the end of Short Brackland where it meets up with Cannon Street.

I'm loaded with painkillers, I hope that's enough info for someone else to get the camera from though.

I found that camera, and while it might cover the road it's quite far up Short B and would therefore leave a good 100 metres (including a carpark, another bin area and a mystery door) between the camera and the horseshoe.

How much was forensically searched? Did they look up Short B and around those loading / parking areas?

Hope you feel better soon, Amonet.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Plus Midsummer, it could of course be the damage was done way before Corrie went missing?

Or after!

I'm trying to find the video that some random bloke did walking Corrie's route. Or news reports on the scene from the early days, to see if the damage was there then. We know it was already damaged when Colin Sutton went on 24th Oct, but the bricks are on the floor and it looks precarious, which might suggest it was recent.

 

[MidsummersDay]

Or after!

I'm trying to find the video that some random bloke did walking Corrie's route. Or news reports on the scene from the early days, to see if the damage was there then. We know it was already damaged when Colin Sutton went on 24th Oct.

It must have been done between Jan-Sep 2016 as Google Earth shows a clean wall. Judging by the length of the shadows and leaves on trees I'd say Jun-Sep 2016.

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In fact, he doesn't need to have been hit by the lorry. If he was having a pee behind the wall and hit by falling masonry!! :/

If you've hit that with a bin lorry you'd have to have noticed. If you'd got out to check the damage you'd have noticed a body too AND had to have dealt with it. There's plenty of coverage to move a body, it's in an area NOT covered by CCTV and the phone could be explained away in the bin!

 

[Amonet]

I found that camera, and while it might cover the road it's quite far up Short B and would therefore leave a good 100 metres (including a carpark, another bin area and a mystery door) between the camera and the horseshoe.

How much was forensically searched? Did they look up Short B and around those loading / parking areas?

Hope you feel better soon, Amonet.

I presume that camera would show cars going down that street, and probably people, too. I would be concerned that it could be a swivel camera, though, because it's not on the front of the building and looks more like it's going to do a 180 degree swivel from the housing at the rear and around to the SB road, so it might not cover SB the whole time?

So if it's a swivel camera, then, assuming there is camera coverage over the Cornhill rear parking, and we assume Corrie didn't go into either the SB buildings or the ones on the side bits behind them, then we need to find the next cameras on the Cannon St end of SB. If we can get all the way up there bypassing CCTV then I'm surprised if there's only 3 vehicles plus bin lorry for the period of 3.20 to 8am? So that must refer to a shorter time period and/or just those that actually make it to the horseshoe.

Thank you for the well-wishes. I'm okay now the painkillers have kicked in, just drowsy, and taking myself to bed. Hoping, yet again, that there will be news of Corrie when I wake up :

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Or after!

I'm trying to find the video that some random bloke did walking Corrie's route. Or news reports on the scene from the early days, to see if the damage was there then. We know it was already damaged when Colin Sutton went on 24th Oct, but the bricks are on the floor and it looks precarious, which might suggest it was recent.

Wasn't that cj357? At least they linked to it? It is on the Find Corrie site: http://www.findcorrie.co.uk/2016/11/06/bury-st-edmunds/ (I think this is what you are thinking of?

It is hard to say if the wall is damaged as much/like on the Colin Sutton footage. I can't remember the date, either...

 

[Henry B]

I've tried my damnedest to avoid looking on YouTube at Corrie's videos until yesterday so I could remain impartial. My conclusion? He just a 'pretty boy' who's high on life and a typical military type apart from the vainness and constant self adoration. He's seems like a natural attention seeker. Nothing wrong with that if he's happy. If he were in my 'section' he'd be watered down a bit but that's the way the system rolls. I'm not convinced he's gay now although he'd definitely get a ribbing for his 'John Inman Are You Being Served clothing range'.

I think he's a vulnerable guy who I would imagine would be taken advantage of.


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I never actually saw John Inman in white jeans and a pink shirt. I think Corrie's dress sense was reflective of current retro trends and the freedom to apply what suits the individual. His style on the night he disappeared seemed evocative of the post-Miami Vice late 1980s/early 1990s - by which time pink as a male clothing colour had entered the working class realm well and truly. My grandson is going around in a pink, purple and blue shell suit top that I bought in 1987 at the moment (I never thought it would ever be worn again - at least by one of my descendants!) - and he's not gay as far as I know. I'm not at all sure Corrie would get "ribbed" these days.

Things have moved on.

As for the bin lorry... my thoughts keep returning to it too...

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It must have been done between Jan-Sep 2016 as Google Earth shows a clean wall. Judging by the length of the shadows and leaves on trees I'd say Jun-Sep 2016.

But couldn't it have been done AFTER Corrie went missing, that's what I'm getting at, it might not have been like that before Sutton went on 24/10. Can we find a pic from the days just after Corrie vanished, see if it was like that then?

 

[MidsummersDay]

But couldn't it have been done AFTER Corrie went missing, that's what I'm getting at, it might not have been like that before Sutton went on 24/10. Can we find a pic from the days just after Corrie vanished, see if it was like that then?

We have. The Colin Sutton interview. It's damaged then but not on Google Earth Jun-Sep 2016.


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[CoverMeCagney]

We have. The Colin Sutton interview. It's damaged then but not on Google Earth Jun-Sep 2016.


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Colin was a month later, I'm talking about nearer September. When did the first news reporters film there, if the wall was still intact on, say, 1sr October we can rule it out .

 

[markymint]

The wall is still broken back in that Nov 6th video, pause it when the camera swings back the second time and the wall is on the far left of the screen, you can see it quite clearly.

Not sure you can go any further back for footage on this specific case, you've got to keep in mind, they didn't even start talking about the "horseshoe" until October, did they? Until then it was just "Brentgrovel Street", as such, news reports just showed videos of CCTV rather than the definitive spot. Those reports including the horseshoe (and videos) started appearing after the second CCTV was released and the POD stuff happened. I joined on 10-10-2016 here and I joined after I saw the release of 2nd CCTV. As such, for footage of that area early Oct/late Sept you'd probably need to source it from something unrelated. And I doubt many people are out filming the horseshoe...?

Still, if we patch what little we have together, there's always a red, a blue and a silver car in the horseshoe and the wall has been damaged (at a height taller than any of those vehicles) possibly for a while before now, but hard to get footage of the area nearer Sept 24th and confirm for the reasons I mentioned above. But that's from recollection, maybe someone else knows when they specifically said he disappeared from the horseshoe (by name) and has a better idea for a source of footage of actual horseshoe around the Sept/very early Oct mark.

Just wondering if anyone else noticed the Parkour graffiti on the wall on Short Brackland next to the horseshoe. It's an arrow pointing up to the roof and the URL http://urbanfreeflow.com/

Though it doesn't look like you can get on THAT particular roof... and although this is taken from the Oct 2015 street view image... is the Horseshoe a known parkour spot or sth? I mentioned some time back the general ease of getting up onto the walls and roofs in the actual horseshoe path, so I can see why it might be...

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.2...4!1sdSYkXgiUEc_Cr_zgOW0CtA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

[markymint]

And just to add, the Lawsons Yard CCTV cam probably isn't a swivel camera, if it even still exists. It looks pretty dilapidated in street view. It's stuck to a private property house so there's also a chance it's an outdoor dummy camera (fake). And even if it is real the whole principle is to cover private property, not a public street. It looks like one of the most bog standard, oldest CCTV cameras ever made. Even looks like if it tried to swivel round to the road, the back of it would hit the wall or rip the cables out.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

I saw a short video clip of him on a night out wearing the same outfit, dancing about with his mates, couldn't see anyone else wearing similar though.

Which makes it all the more likely that anyone who did see him walking around would remember him, especially as it seems people were passing the horseshoe frequently around the time he should have been there.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Those bin lorry times and Corrie's phone movement times look awfully close to each other.

They do, but we come back to the old problem, I think - if the phone was in the bin lorry, why was it apparently still in contact with the BM mast as late as 8am when the bin lorry should have been well on its way to its final destination and well out of BM mast range by then? Unless the bin lorry was making a lot more pickups within the mast area than we've been made aware of.

 

[Deleted member 178385]

It must have been done between Jan-Sep 2016 as Google Earth shows a clean wall. Judging by the length of the shadows and leaves on trees I'd say Jun-Sep 2016.

The Google Maps image was taken October 2015 - says so in the bottom right hand corner of the screen when in StreetView.

 

[Mummywithissues]

Ok, I know we've been over the whole 'going for a wee' thing, but I asked my boyfriend last night to watch the CCTV. He said that's how he's walked in the past on a night out when he's busting for a wee. Little slower than normal, slightly hunched, with hands stuffed into his pockets. I know everyone's different, but the reason my fella would have his hands stuffed in his pockets would be to pull the waistband off his bladder and take away any pressure so he didn't pee himself. Same reason for the slightly hunched over slower walk.

I've always thought that Corrie was meeting someone, and not going for a wee, as assumed that his hands would be out ready to unzip, if he was that close to his spot so to speak, so now I'm not sure.

I wish he'd come home either way. I'm struggling to watch his mum now I realise this post isn't particularly useful to you guys, but it's given me different thoughts to ponder.

 

[JerricaBenton]

In the CCTV of Corrie heading to the bin area, does it look like he was going to walk past, but someone in a car in the horseshoe area calls over to him (possibly along the lines of "Oi, over here a minute mate") and that is why he looks around then sheepishly walks over to the bins? So, not a pre-arranged meet but he goes over to see what it is they want ... and then I've no idea.

Anyone else think this is a possibility?