GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #1

[Patticake]

A big question mark, too, is what condition the flat was in that the parents immediately knew Jo had been abducted ... but the BF waited hours in the flat before calling the police.

It would seem to me that if I was waiting for a GF to come home, I'd call her parents to see if she was there.

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[wfgodot]

The only objection I have to the notion of Mr Jefferies as the sole culprit of the murder and body disposal remains his being 65 years old and therefore someone for whom it would have been taxing to accomplish both feats, or either one, really.

 

[whitedove]

A big question mark, too, is what condition the flat was in that the parents immediately knew Jo had been abducted ... but the BF waited hours in the flat before calling the police.

It would seem to me that if I was waiting for a GF to come home, I'd call her parents to see if she was there.

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Yes, I have already said I found this strange, in that situation I too would be thinking where is she, but would'nt like to call the police right away, I really would'nt believe anything nasty had happened, but after looking for a note in the flat, find her keys and purse in her bag which might take half an hour, I would then have called her parents, friends, but the B/F did'nt do this, he waited till 12 midnight, then called the police, and only after calling the parents, but then all people are different, they think in different ways.

 

[2goldfish]

from article here

Speaking outside the property in Canynge Road, Chief Superintendent Jon Stratford said: "I can understand why the public in the local and wider Bristol area have concerns for their safety at the current time. Whoever killed Joanna remains at large.

"However, I want to reassure the public that at this time there's no specific intelligence or information to suggest an increased threat to their safety."

But he advised women not to walk home after dark and householders to ensure their homes were secure and to take care when answering the door to strangers.

Increased police patrols remain in the area to reassure the public, he added.

so....does LE now feel as I do, they were barking up the wrong tree???

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Thanks for the welcome. It's good to finally be a member

From what the media and her parents have said I think they are quite certain that she did arrive home. That she was abducted or killed in her flat by someone she knew which would explain why there were no signs of struggle. It would also explain why the police haven't issued warnings on staying safe in the local area. She could have been picked up by the murderer and then taken home....who knows.

They did take away some carpet after the lazers had been in so hopefully that will show something significant which will help catch the killer.


The one thing I can't get my head around with your theory is What would be the murderers reasons for wanting people to think she had arrived home safely? I also think if he/she was clever enough then he/she would have taken her keys, phone, shoes and coat to make it look like she'd left the house again and got into trouble out on the streets where the number of suspects would be greatly increased. It seems that the murderer panicked and didn't think about the small details. I agree the removal of her body would have been difficult, why not just leave it there? [B]IF it was someone in her building maybe they wanted to throw suspicion away from them by removing the body? [/B]truly puzzling

bbm

That's why I keep thinking that the LL is the perp.....otherwise he would have just left her in the apartment....and he just gives off that air of suspicion....(IMO)...

 

[sherbetjello]

A big question mark, too, is what condition the flat was in that the parents immediately knew Jo had been abducted ... but the BF waited hours in the flat before calling the police.

It would seem to me that if I was waiting for a GF to come home, I'd call her parents to see if she was there.

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I haven't been here in a minute, and was shocked to see how quickly this case changed.
I believe that earlier the BF stated that it wasn't unusual for JY to not return [his] texts right away. I thought "Yeah, okay. I haven't returned texts or calls for days", but that is usually from someone I am trying to avoid or just simply not interested in talking with right then. The story of him waiting hours in the flat sort of makes sense here if his story about not returning calls/texts holds water.
However, I think it would be vital information if LE would check all past msgs she had, the length it took to respond to them, and how many texts were involved.

Friday - Sunday not hearing from you GF is a long, long time imo.

 

[Sgt Jones]

That could be. But, Greg's mother said that Jo had visited and stayed with them in Sheffield many times. I wonder who's idea it was to do seperate things that weekend ?

I doubt that Greg is involved,but who knows ? Of more interest is that night in the pub.... MOO

All JMO

Sorry, I thought Greg was visiting his half bro who lived separately from his parents.

 

[Sgt Jones]

This case has certainly taken on a strange twist.

I thought it was deffo the LL.

LE wouldn't have arrested the LL and kept him for so long if they didn't have good cause but releasing him suggests they don't have enough evidence... yet.

Not sure how long forensic tests take but they haven't excluded him entirely as he is on bail.

The press release @ 4pm was odd too - warning women to be vigilant - so does this mean LE now think it was a stranger?

Not sure what to make of it all now but I don't think it was the b/f.

 

[wfgodot]

Avon and Somerset police denied the inquiry was back to square one after they released Yeates's landlord, Chris Jefferies, on bail two days after he was arrested on suspicion of murder.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jan/02/joanna-yeates-police-safety-warning

If they've seen fit to have to deny that, one can bet many people remain unconvinced Mr Jefferies is the culprit.

Police and Yeates's boyfriend have expressed concern at some of the reporting of the case, particularly of the way Jefferies has been portrayed in mainstream media and on social networking websites.

Reardon said the "finger-pointing and character assassination" had been "shameful" and called for greater sensitivity.

This issue was mentioned above by krista (at #243) and does strike one as odd. If a man is arrested for killing your girlfriend then it is not incumbent on you to defend that man's reputation, nor should you.

(from same Guardian link as above)

 

[SophieUK]

OK, I have been thinking about this and I've come up with a scenario working backwards...

Joanna was obviously transported to the road she was eventually found in a car. The police say the perp tried to place her over a wall, but couldn't - proabably because of the weight... (that indicates to me that it's just one person). And they left her in a rush, probably because they saw some headlights from another car in the distance.

If the perp couldn't lift her above the wall, I think she must have been murdered in the car. That rules out the flat being the scene of the crime. It also could suggest the perp isn't neccessarily a strong man - could it even have been a woman? (Hence the police not thinking there is an increased risk to women in general)

Question is, how did the perp get her from the house to the car? Maybe a manufactured emergency? Greg's been in an accident... you need to come to the hospital now?? In that situation you wouldn't be thinking straight... would explain the screams and stuff left in the flat (she was in shock)... and Joanna jumped straight into the car, with the pizza still in her hand?

I just want the person it is caught. The sooner the better so Joanna's family have some peace.

 

[Patticake]

This case has certainly taken on a strange twist.

I thought it was deffo the LL.

LE wouldn't have arrested the LL and kept him for so long if they didn't have good cause but releasing him suggests they don't have enough evidence... yet.

Not sure how long forensic tests take but they haven't excluded him entirely as he is on bail.

The press release @ 4pm was odd too - warning women to be vigilant - so does this mean LE now think it was a stranger?

Not sure what to make of it all now but I don't think it was the b/f.

I'm totally with you this. I have to believe that CJ was not arrested for "being odd", but that there was some compelling evidence to take him into custody.

It's confusing since there is so much that we don't know.

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[wfgodot]

OK, I have been thinking about this and I've come up with a scenario working backwards...

Joanna was obviously transported to the road she was eventually found in a car. The police say the perp tried to place her over a wall, but couldn't - proabably because of the weight... (that indicates to me that it's just one person). And they left her in a rush, probably because they saw some headlights from another car in the distance.

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Patticake posted that information (evidence perp had tried to place body over wall, from unnamed source) at #216 above and provided a link from the Daily Star - but I've been unable to find that particular bit of info anywhere else in the press, so I was beginning to doubt the source - Daily Star - a bit; here it is in its entirety:

Last night a source close to the police investigation said it was believed Joanna’s murderer had tried but failed to conceal her body, which was found by a couple walking their dog on Christmas morning.

The source added: “It’s as though the murderer had been trying to dump her into the grounds of the quarry but was not strong enough to get her over the wall.

“Evidence, possibly blood, was found on a stone wall where the killer had tried to lift her over.”

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/169732/Jo-Yeates-Police-quiz-landlord/

The Telegraph does have this, however, which is quite close:

Although covered by snow, the body had not been well concealed and was underneath a three foot wall bordering Dunford Quarry. Detectives are trying to establish if the killer had been attempting to throw the body into the deep quarry but was unable to lift her or was disturbed by a passing motorist.

That's from a new Telegraph article which raises, and attempts to answer, the following questions:

* Why is there no sign of forced entry at Miss Yeates’s flat?
* What happened to the pizza?
* When was Miss Yeates killed?
* Why was the body not better hidden after being dumped?
* Was the body stored somewhere before being dumped?
* Was Joanna seen with other people at her flat before she disappeared?
* Was the killer in the flat when Joanna returned home?
* Did the killer know that she was going to be home alone?

and is here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...a-Yeates-murder-the-unanswered-questions.html

 

[Sgt Jones]

In the UK, The Daily Star is seen as a huge joke - it's not known for being accurate...

 

[wfgodot]

In the UK, The Daily Star is seen as a huge joke - it's not known for being accurate...

Yes, thought so, and I was in the middle of the post above, expressing doubt as to the veracity as I'd not seen the particular idea in print anywhere else, but then a new google search produced the recent Telegraph article, which has something very much like it.

Still not sure if either are accurate of course.

 

[Snoopster]

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That's from a new Telegraph article which raises, and attempts to answer, the following questions:

* Why is there no sign of forced entry at Miss Yeates’s flat?
* What happened to the pizza?
* When was Miss Yeates killed?
* Why was the body not better hidden after being dumped?
* Was the body stored somewhere before being dumped?
* Was Joanna seen with other people at her flat before she disappeared?
* Was the killer in the flat when Joanna returned home?
* Did the killer know that she was going to be home alone?

and is here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...a-Yeates-murder-the-unanswered-questions.html

Adressing the bolded questions: Didn't the media report that identification of the body was delayed because it was frozen? That would mean the body would have had to have been outside (or in a freezer?) for at least several days. I understand that it has been unseasonably cold in the UK, but exactly how cold was it between the time Joanna went missing and the time she was found?

 

[whitedove]

The B/F statement below, link to the parents, can't remember if this has been posted.

Note at the bottom B/F says...
"I hope you all have a happy new year. We look out into 2011 with a fresh approach to life in Jo's memory and hope that, for her sake, justice is found swiftly."
Jo Yeates: Family statements in full



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12103421

'Beautiful woman' Miss Yeates's boyfriend, Greg Reardon, issued the following statement:
"Jo loved it by Bristol's harbourside and found great joy in the local rowing club and evenings out overlooking the water.
"The memory of Jo will always be with me as I look across the harbour and remember our unforgettable and special times together.
"Jo was a beautiful woman, beautiful in mind, body and soul. She had a great career ahead of her as a landscape architect and would have achieved a great many more things in her life if only she was given the chance.
"I will always love her.
"My never-ending thanks go out to those who showed so much love for Jo in the events following her disappearance and, after dropping everything, from all corners of the country took to the streets of Bristol to campaign for her to be found safe and well.

Greg Reardon has set up a web page for people to donate money to charity in Jo Yeates's name
"Sadly this wasn't the outcome we had all hoped for but we all, Jo's dear friends and family, now celebrate the life of one of the most lovely and genuine people to grace this Earth.
"Many people have approached us wishing to make a donation to charity in Joanna's memory.
"If you feel you'd like to give something back in Jo's name, I have set up a donation web page - www.justgiving.com/joannayeates.
"This will allow you to show support and appreciation for the Missing People charity that were so helpful in the campaign to find Jo following her disappearance.
"Missing People help reunite broken families with loved ones who run away or are snatched from the arms of those dearest by tragedy or social problems.
"Missing People offer a lifeline for the 250,000 people who run away and go missing each year.
"For those left behind, they search and provide specialised support to end the heartache and confusion at such difficult times.
"Jo's life was cut short tragically but the finger-pointing and character assassination by social and news media of as yet innocent men has been shameful.
"It has made me lose a lot of faith in the morality of the British press and those that spend their time fixed to the internet in this modern age.
"I hope in the future they will show a more sensitive and impartial view to those involved in such heart-breaking events and especially in the lead-up to potentially high profile court cases.
"I hope you all have a happy new year. We look out into 2011 with a fresh approach to life in Jo's memory and hope that, for her sake, justice is found swiftly."

 

[wfgodot]

Adressing the bolded questions: Didn't the media report that identification of the body was delayed because it was frozen? That would mean the body would have had to have been outside (or in a freezer?) for at least several days. I understand that it has been unseasonably cold in the UK, but exactly how cold was it between the time Joanna went missing and the time she was found?

Took awhile to find; highs and lows, Bristol, 17 Dec - 25 Dec 2010

17th 1.4°C / -2.7°C
18th 1.3°C / -4.2°C
19th -3.2°C / -6.4°C
20th -0.2°C / -6.7°C
21st -0.7°C / -2.0°C
22nd 0.2°C / -1.3°C
23rd 1.0°C / -2.1°C
24th 0.9°C / -4.0°C
25th 0.6°C / -5.7°C

http://www.martynhicks.co.uk/weather/data.php?page=122010

ETA

in Farenheit, temperatures ranged roughly between 20 and 35 degrees during that time span.

 

[liz b.]

Sorry, I thought Greg was visiting his half bro who lived separately from his parents.

Sgt., you could well be right.

 

[Sgt Jones]

Adressing the bolded questions: Didn't the media report that identification of the body was delayed because it was frozen? That would mean the body would have had to have been outside (or in a freezer?) for at least several days. I understand that it has been unseasonably cold in the UK, but exactly how cold was it between the time Joanna went missing and the time she was found?

I thought it may have stored in a freezer / in an outhouse / in a car as well as it was so frozen it had to thaw for two days before the post mortem could take place.

Also, when the snow fell will provide indications as to when the body was dumped - the body was covered in snow so when was the last snow fall prior to the body being discovered? The snowfall covered up other evidence too such as footprints and tyre tracks.

 

[wfgodot]

I thought it may have stored in a freezer / in an outhouse / in a car as well as it was so frozen it had to thaw for two days before the post mortem could take place.

Also, when the snow fell will provide indications as to when the body was dumped - the body was covered in snow so when was the last snow fall prior to the body being discovered? The snowfall covered up other evidence too such as footprints and tyre tracks.

It snowed about 2" in Bristol on 18 December, the day after she was last seen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12025793