Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #15 *ARREST*

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Newthoughts said:
I'd say very easy to travel to Europe from here between Libby going missing and LE finding out about them. The main offender had been here a while and had a life here. A wife and children. Harder to run. But a single bloke could be gone very quickly. If he hadn't been here long he wouldn't attract much gossip.

We don't know that LE haven't been in touch with any of their European peers. We don't know how difficult it would be identify or catch them.

Given what we alone know from the pubic domain I think LE would have enough to charge PR. She last seen in his car, she was found dead. Regardless of what he said happened that is suspicious enough to warrant an arrest IMO. Even if she says she must have fallen in.

There was less against Levi Bellfield - zero forensics to say how Milly Dowler died. No CCTV. Yet he was charged and convicted.

Today on the news I've heard two men have been arrested for the murder of Julia Rawson though her body hasn't been found.

So I can't think of any reason why nothing has happened with PR other than LE looking for an accomplice and not wanting to publicise it for some reason. Suggesting they possibly know who it is.

Liaising with foriegn police forces takes time. Getting evidence to arrest someone takes time. Ploughing thru phones and computers take a lot of time. And with charges outstanding against PR, LE do actually have the luxury of time.

In my he opinion the liklihood of Libby escaping from PR and coming across another pervert is lower than the liklihood he had help
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I totally agree the likelihood of her coming across a second unrelated killer is extremely unlikely

I agree her getting in his car and then disappearing (at the time) was enough for an arrest ..they did do that ..but her getting in a car then being found dead ..even with his likely previous crimes ..would not be enough to charge without other evidence.

If there is enough to charge now why do they need to wait ? A second person could be charged later with regards any involvement

I do wonder though if they are waiting on his upcoming trial as at the moment he is not been found guilty of being a sexual offender
 
JosieJo said:
I totally agree the likelihood of her coming across a second unrelated killer is extremely unlikely

I agree her getting in his car and then disappearing (at the time) was enough for an arrest ..they did do that ..but her getting in a car then being found dead ..even with his likely previous crimes ..would not be enough to charge without other evidence.

If there is enough to charge now why do they need to wait ? A second person could be charged later with regards any involvement

I do wonder though if they are waiting on his upcoming trial as at the moment he is not been found guilty of being a sexual offender
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I think with his previous alleged crimes, her being in his car and then being found dead the police have quite a lot circumstantially. Given how serious the crime is I'd hope they'd be allowed to proceed on that alone. So I can only think something else is preventing that.

I hadn't thought about them waiting to charge him as a known sex offender rather than an alleged one but that does make sense. So waiting until after his trial makes sense

Likewise I think having him safely locked up does give them the luxury of time to possibly go for a higher charge than if they were desperate to get him off the streets for the safety of the public.

Time to trawl through every contact and every website looked at. Did he look at tides for example or certain types of *advertiser censored*. There are horrific chat groups as well that he might have discussed fantasies on.

But I still wonder if something in the forensics show he didn't act alone and that is the hold up. When and where Libby was placed in water is the one thing I wonder about. If it's PR alone I'd guess she entered the water - by wherever means - before 3am as that seems to be the police timeline. She'd also have entered water somewhere within the region that police knew PR had to be. Which seems to be the park.

If someone else was involved that changes. Forensics might show she entered water elsewhere. It might show a time lapse between death and entering the water. Or worse days between her disappearing and her death.

At the moment that's just opinion. But I struggle to think of other explanations.
 
this is going over old ground but did anyone notice in the welly vid that libby had what looked like a phone on here? i never really took much notice of it first time around and thought along with others it was her id. but it surely is a phone because why would you put an id card up to your ear? and you can see the screen light up.
 
bluesntwos said:
this is going over old ground but did anyone notice in the welly vid that libby had what looked like a phone on here? i never really took much notice of it first time around and thought along with others it was her id. but it surely is a phone because why would you put an id card up to your ear? and you can see the screen light up.
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Yes, the question of a mobile in her right hand was discussed several weeks ago. Although some disagreed, I was reasonably convinced that she gets a mobile from her jacket pocket and raises it to her ear just before she walks out of view. Her friend in the grey jacket (hood down) doesn't have a phone visible. In the next sequence her friend reappears and is now using a mobile. Libby then rejoins her friend but she no longer has a mobile. Perhaps they were sharing her friend's phone, and her friend then kept it with her. We know from LE information that Libby's own mobile was still in her room when they searched it and there was nothing on it relating to the night in question. JMO of course.
 
Just watching ‘Murdered by’ on Channel 5 - series 1, episode 3 ‘Killed on camera’ about the murder of Georgia Williams. What has shocked me is how her killer, Jamie Reynolds, was already known by the police, having sexually assaulted a girl, but got away with a caution, yet the police had noted that he was extremely dangerous to women. He had particular sexual obsessions which he meticulously planned to one day act out and finally engineered an opportunity to do so. It has made me completely rethink about Libby’s case and the possibility that a flasher/burglar could very much be a potentially extremely dangerous killer once he got the opportunity and may well have had quite an elaborate plan for how he would one day fulfil his fantasies and then cover his tracks once his victim was dead.
 
Winterbells said:
Just watching ‘Murdered by’ on Channel 5 - series 1, episode 3 ‘Killed on camera’ about the murder of Georgia Williams. What has shocked me is how her killer, Jamie Reynolds, was already known by the police, having sexually assaulted a girl, but got away with a caution, yet the police had noted that he was extremely dangerous to women. He had particular sexual obsessions which he meticulously planned to one day act out and finally engineered an opportunity to do so. It has made me completely rethink about Libby’s case and the possibility that a flasher/burglar could very much be a potentially extremely dangerous killer once he got the opportunity and may well have had quite an elaborate plan for how he would one day fulfil his fantasies and then cover his tracks once his victim was dead.
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His previous crimes made me think there was a degree of premeditation. I know lots of people who've been flashed, myself included. It's never been near their home. Bus stops and train stations seem to be popular. But PR seemed to flash near the victims homes. How so lucky?

Likewise his burglaries - how lucky to break into a house with young women rather than pensioners or bulky rugby players.

Voyeurism - cases I've read of are usually neighbours, swimming pools, gyms. Upskirting on public transport. But strangers homes?

And Haworth street - why was he there?

I don't buy the harmless flasher that saw an opportunity for a sex attack that went wrong. I think he v was already looking for a victim
 
I find it weird that PR's alleged crimes all took place so close to his home. If you're going to expose yourself to women, surely you wouldn't want to bump into them in Sainsbury's the next day, especially if you're with your wife and kids. Mind you, I have no understanding of the psychology of a flasher.
 
Could the delay in establishing cause of death for LS be due to it reportedly being about 3 months after the opening inquest on 25th Match . 1st report then possibly a further 3 months wait for the finding to be given finally
In which case 3 months after 21st March should be imminent possibly.mid June and if not concluded then date would be possibly mid September?
Does this seem.probable? This says Unless the case is particularly complex.
Below is copied from a coroner's website
'If there was a post mortem examination, we need to give time for the results of the PM and any microscope or blood analysis work to come in. We list a mention hearing for three months after the inquest is opened. This is not a hearing in court and no-one from the family needs to attend. It simply means that the Coroner and the Officer responsible for the case meet in the office to check on progress and for the Coroner to give any new instructions. Unless the case is particularly complex, we aim to set a date for the final hearing around 3 months after the mention hearing'
 
Libby Squire detectives share update on homicide investigation


Police have revealed they have carried out further tests on the body of Libby Squire as they continue a "complex" homicide investigation into her death.

A "dedicated team of detectives" from Humberside Police continue to work on the case to determine exactly what happened to Libby after she disappeared in the early hours of February 1.
 
This part is interesting
"Due to operational reasons, the results of the post-mortem examination were not released at the time it was concluded."
I do wonder now if there is some degree of waiting for the verdict on his other offences
But it still appears what happened is far from clear
 
Thanks @ Vermont24 & @bluesntwos. Its reassuring to know that LE and the specialists are still working hard on the case. Complex is maybe an understatement but fingers crossed that they are nearer to establishing the truth. My heart goes out to Libby's family and friends - this must be horrendous for them!
 
I found today’s update sad but reassuring.
Still awaiting results at this stage must mean LE are exhausting every possible testing technique currently available, their thoroughness is commendable.
Still with heavy heart that Libby can’t be laid to rest yet. The acknowledgement of the Squire’s pain & understanding by LE is thoughtful and nice to read.
 
I feel it's a positive update, too. I was particularly struck by this bit: 'an unprecedented amount of work taking place behind the scenes' - reassurance that LE are still very actively working on the case, not just letting it lie until the court appearance.
There was talk earlier of a particular female specialist being approached for help (sorry, can't recall the details/name) - does anyone with a better memory than me think she may be included in the 'search specialists as well as experts in forensics and oceanography' referred to?
 
Winterbells said:
I find it weird that PR's alleged crimes all took place so close to his home. If you're going to expose yourself to women, surely you wouldn't want to bump into them in Sainsbury's the next day, especially if you're with your wife and kids. Mind you, I have no understanding of the psychology of a flasher.
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maybe he got a thrill from the fact he remained un-caught in the area. To me it seems arrogant as if he liked the fact he has that power over women in the area. Could also be his behaviour escalating and him feeling invincible?
 
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