Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #12

[Allabouttrial]

I can only assume he means police who are in no way privvy to this case?

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A diver searching for Nicola Bulley has police "are calling him and agreeing" as she shares doubts over the case. It has now been more than two weeks since the mum disappeared without a trace.

Peter Faulding has spoken out in a new interview, discussing the fruitless search to find the missing mum. Nicola vanished along the River Wyre, over a fortnight ago, while she was walking her pet dog Willow. He told The Telegraph: “On the river on the day it wasn’t running very fast.

“I’ve spent a lot of time with the family and they said she was so cautious, did the same route every day, didn’t go near the river and her Fitbit shows she doesn’t go near the river. She would have to be pushed really hard to be launched out into the middle of the river."

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Nicola Bulley diver says 'cops agree with him' as he shares fresh theory

It has now been more than two weeks since the mum disappeared without a trace.

www.birminghammail.co.uk

 

[kittythehare]

Not that I intimated a specific timescale to their focus, merely speed

Lancashire Police​

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We wanted to give you an update on the search for Nicola Bulley and to give you some more detail on what we have been doing to try and find her.
It’s now a week since the mum of two went missing and since last Friday we have been carrying out extensive searches in the area along with many other enquiries in the background.
This work has included
• Extensive and thorough searches of the river and footpaths by specialist police search teams and partner agencies including HM Coastguard, mountain rescue and Lancashire Fire and Rescue Service. Resources have included specialist search dogs, drone, police helicopter and divers. These searches are continuing.
• A team of detectives working behind the scenes analysing telephony, house to house, CCTV, dashcam and carrying out other digital enquiries and examining information coming into the inquiry
• Several public appeals for information and to trace witnesses. Key witnesses have all now been traced. We are grateful to the media for all their coverage and to the community for their help, information and support.
Based on all the work we have done so far, we are now as confident as we can be that Nicola has not left the field where she was last seen and our working hypothesis is that she has fallen into the river for some reason. There is no evidence whatsoever that there is anything suspicious about her disappearance or any third-party involvement in her going missing. Our investigation remains open and we will of course act on any new information which comes to light.
Nicola’s family are being supported by specially trained officers and we are keeping them fully updated.
Nicola, 45, was last seen on Friday morning (January 27th) at around 9.20am on the footpath by the river off Garstang Road.
Nicola is white, 5ft 3ins tall, with light brown shoulder-length hair. She speaks with an Essex accent. She was last seen wearing a long, ankle length black quilted gilet. She had a black Vector coat underneath which had long sleeves and came to her waist. She was wearing tight black jeans and had long green walking socks tucked into her jeans. She was wearing ankle length green wellington boots from Next.
Her hair was tied into a ponytail. She was wearing a necklace and pale blue fitbit.
Supt Sally Riley said: “It’s now a week since Nicola went missing and her disappearance has understandably caused a huge amount of concern and upset in the local community, as well as being an absolutely awful time for her family. As a mum I can’t begin to imagine the suffering they are going through. We are supporting them as best we can and keeping them updated on our efforts to try and find Nicola.
“We have done a huge amount of work both in terms of searches of the area as well as extensive enquiries which have been going on behind the scenes and based on that work we are as sure as we can be that Nicola has not left the area where she was last seen and that very sadly for some reason she has fallen into the water.
“There is absolutely nothing to suggest from all the extensive enquiries we have made that anything untoward has happened to her or that there is any third-party involvement in her disappearance.
“This remains a missing person enquiry and we will continue to carry out searches and to do everything we can to find Nicola and provide her family and the community with the answers they desperately need.
“Officers will be in and around the village and anyone with information or concerns should feel free to approach us.”
We can now confirm the following timings from the morning Nicola was last seen:
8.43am – Nicola walked along the path by the River Wyre, having dropped her children off at school
8:50am (approximately) - A dog-walker – somebody who knows Nicola – saw her walking around the lower field with her dog. Their two dogs interacted briefly before the witness left the field via the river path
8.53am – She sent an email to her boss
9.01am – She logged into a Teams call
9.10am (approximately) – A witness – somebody who knows Nicola – saw her on the upper field walking her dog, Willow. Work is ongoing today to establish exactly what time this was.
9.30am – The Teams call ended but Nicola stayed logged on
9.35am (approximately) – Nicola’s mobile phone and Willow were found at a bench by the river by another dog-walker.
Anybody who has seen Nicola, or has information about where she might be, is asked to call 101, quoting log 565 of January 30th. For immediate sightings please call 999.

That is dated February 3rd.

 

[ginnyw]

DBM Duplicate post.

 

[Sloffey87]

Maybe some one here might be able to clarify, when the police divers go in how much can they see in font of them. My understanding is the sonar system can’t identify what’s in the reeds and that it’s possible the divers can miss things as has been shown in the previous thread with several cases. Also with the deep hole (at point 7 in the anglers association documentation) can divers get in to those holes? With the keys and fit bit still likely to be with NB I really think a little bit of magnet fishing is worth doing in the general area of the deep hole. Surely it’s worth doing even if nothing comes of it. Has this been attempted does anyone know or is it a possibility for someone local?

It’s amazing what magnet fisherman find, they find phones, AirPods guns. All sorts. I’m sure a Fitbit and set of keys wouldn’t be out of the question?

 

[Andreee]

I am sure that Nicola is sadly in the river. Those who doubt that mostly do so because she hasn't been found despite the divers entering the water to search for her within a few hours of her disappearance. In my eyes the only explanation for this is that they missed her and by the time Peter's team searched the area ten days later, she was miles downstream. It really is terrible for her family, especially her two young daughters whom she obviously doted on and likely won't have their Mum around because of a tragic accident.

I agree with this and in my opinion it is the most logical and likely scenario. I also wonder when the river part of the search will be downgraded, as obviously the official LE search will have to be at some point.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[Andreee]

I am sure that Nicola is sadly in the river. Those who doubt that mostly do so because she hasn't been found despite the divers entering the water to search for her within a few hours of her disappearance. In my eyes the only explanation for this is that they missed her and by the time Peter's team searched the area ten days later, she was miles downstream. It really is terrible for her family, especially her two young daughters whom she obviously doted on and likely won't have their Mum around because of a tragic accident.

I agree with this and in my opinion it is the most logical and likely scenario. I also wonder when the river part of the search will be downgraded, as obviously the official LE search will have to be at some point.

Maybe some one here might be able to clarify, when the police divers go in how much can they see in font of them. My understanding is the sonar system can’t identify what’s in the reeds and that it’s possible the divers can miss things as has been shown in the previous thread with several cases. Also with the deep hole (at point 7 in the anglers association documentation) can divers get in to those holes? With the keys and fit bit still likely toI be with NB I really think a little bit of magnet fishing is worth doing in the general area of the deep hole. Surely it’s worth doing even if nothing comes of it. Has this been attempted does anyone know or is it a possibility for someone local?

It’s amazing what magnet fisherman find, they find phones, AirPods guns. All sorts. I’m sure a Fitbit and set of keys wouldn’t be out of the question?

I have been wondering about the deep hole as well. Just how deep it is, is there a section that is hard to get into or see into? I am not convinced N.B. is not in that general vicinity rather than having been swept further along the river.

 

[Cluella DeVille]

Because they have info we dont!

I wouldn't expect anything else. But in my experience it is highly unusual for LE to profess publicly that despite having no evidence to support their main theory it does supercede all others

 

[Cluella DeVille]

Lancashire Police​

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We wanted to give you an update on the search for Nicola Bulley and to give you some more detail on what we have been doing to try and find her.
It’s now a week since the mum of two went missing and since last Friday we have been carrying out extensive searches in the area along with many other enquiries in the background.
This work has included
• Extensive and thorough searches of the river and footpaths by specialist police search teams and partner agencies including HM Coastguard, mountain rescue and Lancashire Fire and Rescue Service. Resources have included specialist search dogs, drone, police helicopter and divers. These searches are continuing.
• A team of detectives working behind the scenes analysing telephony, house to house, CCTV, dashcam and carrying out other digital enquiries and examining information coming into the inquiry
• Several public appeals for information and to trace witnesses. Key witnesses have all now been traced. We are grateful to the media for all their coverage and to the community for their help, information and support.
Based on all the work we have done so far, we are now as confident as we can be that Nicola has not left the field where she was last seen and our working hypothesis is that she has fallen into the river for some reason. There is no evidence whatsoever that there is anything suspicious about her disappearance or any third-party involvement in her going missing. Our investigation remains open and we will of course act on any new information which comes to light.
Nicola’s family are being supported by specially trained officers and we are keeping them fully updated.
Nicola, 45, was last seen on Friday morning (January 27th) at around 9.20am on the footpath by the river off Garstang Road.
Nicola is white, 5ft 3ins tall, with light brown shoulder-length hair. She speaks with an Essex accent. She was last seen wearing a long, ankle length black quilted gilet. She had a black Vector coat underneath which had long sleeves and came to her waist. She was wearing tight black jeans and had long green walking socks tucked into her jeans. She was wearing ankle length green wellington boots from Next.
Her hair was tied into a ponytail. She was wearing a necklace and pale blue fitbit.
Supt Sally Riley said: “It’s now a week since Nicola went missing and her disappearance has understandably caused a huge amount of concern and upset in the local community, as well as being an absolutely awful time for her family. As a mum I can’t begin to imagine the suffering they are going through. We are supporting them as best we can and keeping them updated on our efforts to try and find Nicola.
“We have done a huge amount of work both in terms of searches of the area as well as extensive enquiries which have been going on behind the scenes and based on that work we are as sure as we can be that Nicola has not left the area where she was last seen and that very sadly for some reason she has fallen into the water.
“There is absolutely nothing to suggest from all the extensive enquiries we have made that anything untoward has happened to her or that there is any third-party involvement in her disappearance.
“This remains a missing person enquiry and we will continue to carry out searches and to do everything we can to find Nicola and provide her family and the community with the answers they desperately need.
“Officers will be in and around the village and anyone with information or concerns should feel free to approach us.”
We can now confirm the following timings from the morning Nicola was last seen:
8.43am – Nicola walked along the path by the River Wyre, having dropped her children off at school
8:50am (approximately) - A dog-walker – somebody who knows Nicola – saw her walking around the lower field with her dog. Their two dogs interacted briefly before the witness left the field via the river path
8.53am – She sent an email to her boss
9.01am – She logged into a Teams call
9.10am (approximately) – A witness – somebody who knows Nicola – saw her on the upper field walking her dog, Willow. Work is ongoing today to establish exactly what time this was.
9.30am – The Teams call ended but Nicola stayed logged on
9.35am (approximately) – Nicola’s mobile phone and Willow were found at a bench by the river by another dog-walker.
Anybody who has seen Nicola, or has information about where she might be, is asked to call 101, quoting log 565 of January 30th. For immediate sightings please call 999.

That is dated February 3rd.

What is your point exactly?

 

[Jaybrum23]

If its a case of her unfortunately ending up in the river, I guess there's no saying when or if she will ever be found

 

[Just-a-random-girl]

I agree with this and in my opinion it is the most logical and likely scenario. I also wonder when the river part of the search will be downgraded, as obviously the official LE search will have to be at some point.

I have been wondering about the deep hole as well. Just how deep it is, is there a section that is hard to get into or see into? I am not convinced N.B. is not in that general vicinity rather than having been swept further along the river.

I also agree with this. The strava data and newly-gained knowledge of the river, the weir and historic drowning cases in the area has convinced me she went in the river. I'm open to changing my view as new information comes out though and think the police should still explore/consider all feasible scenarios until they find her.

 

[Eyespy666]

IMO someone either seen or heard NB in the water, maybe they tried to use the harness to reach her, but it was too late, if they didn’t ‘know’ her, they wouldn’t be able to confirm it was her, they need a body to confirm it, I think that is why the police are so set on her being in the water, the hunt for dash cam footage is to clarify that she didn’t leave the area, not necessarily to look for a potential perp.
IMO the police had already had a call about someone in the water that’s why they told PA to go home, to get him out of the way if the body showed up.

I had never thought of this but it is actually a really good theory. IMO

 

[kittythehare]

What is your point exactly?

I responded to your post by showing you that it was 8 days into the search when they stated their hypotheses, not fast IMO.
I wanted to show you what was involved. Courteously btw.

 

[CSIAngus]

They processed the scene of the bench when they got there.
Seriously do people believe they should have brought in diggers and transported the entire site back to police HQ when there exists no evidence of a crime?
Putting a roll of tape around the bench after they had processed it is not useful.
Process is followed by release in all cases.

This is a public park.

Is it a public park? I've always assumed that both fields are private land belonging to Wyreside Farm with some public rights of way. Here is a map (from the Lancashire County Council website) of the public footpaths (purple dash):




Despite the sign on the tree that reads 'Dogs must be kept on a lead at all times', there is no requirement in law to keep your dog on a lead on a public footpath, unless the Local Authority makes an order under section 27 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, which I don't believe is the case here.

 

[cottonweaver]

I don't believe LE would say "we are adamant there is no third party involvement". They would say "In spite of an extensive investigation we have, so far, found no EVIDENCE of third party involvement"

The modern police mantra is "follow the evidence". They investigate every angle, looking for evidence. If there is no evidence, there are no leads to follow.

The human imagination is virtually unlimited in the imaginery, entirely fictional 'what if's' it can invent. Police do not indulge in that, they have a job to do.

JMO

You're right, they didn't. It's a myth. Not the public's fault really, media created it, non-stop over last two weeks ( parsing and misrepresenting direct quotes from LancsP. )

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eta - when I say ' media' I don't include them all, some seem to have been more reponsible

 

[Lilbitcurious]

Maybe some one here might be able to clarify, when the police divers go in how much can they see in font of them. My understanding is the sonar system can’t identify what’s in the reeds and that it’s possible the divers can miss things as has been shown in the previous thread with several cases. Also with the deep hole (at point 7 in the anglers association documentation) can divers get in to those holes? With the keys and fit bit still likely to be with NB I really think a little bit of magnet fishing is worth doing in the general area of the deep hole. Surely it’s worth doing even if nothing comes of it. Has this been attempted does anyone know or is it a possibility for someone local?

It’s amazing what magnet fisherman find, they find phones, AirPods guns. All sorts. I’m sure a Fitbit and set of keys wouldn’t be out of the question?

I was thinking that too! I have no idea if it’s ever been used by police, but a nice strong magnet can pull a motorbike from the murky depths! Maybe there’s someone n the area that does magnet fishing that could help, I was thinking metal detector but it is much quicker with magnet fishing!

 

[cottonweaver]

I agree with this and in my opinion it is the most logical and likely scenario. I also wonder when the river part of the search will be downgraded, as obviously the official LE search will have to be at some point.

It's in the last press conference
She was asked this Q by a reporter. ( towards the end)
She replied wtte of - only when the river/marine specialists tell LP that it's hopeless. ( Obviously, if they get other intelligence or leads to suggest 3rd party, then they'll cease water searches sooner)

If that's too time consuming to watch - there's a transcript created by AllAboutTrial on the media thread ( Link on post 1 of this thread)

 

[Becky53]

How 'intricacies' of local knowledge could help find Nicola Bulley, as police struggle with 'toxic' public interest​

Martyn Underhilll says police "need" armchair detectives to help solve cases like Nicola Bulley's but "toxic" knock-on effects of huge public interest can also hinder searches. He says 1,000 people a day turned up to look for Sarah Payne in 2000 and dealing with helpers is a balancing act.

How 'intricacies' of local knowledge could help find Nicola Bulley, as police struggle with 'toxic' public interest

Martyn Underhilll says police "need" armchair detectives to help solve cases like Nicola Bulley's but "toxic" knock-on effects of huge public interest can also hinder searches. He says 1,000 people a day turned up to look for Sarah Payne in 2000 and dealing with helpers is a balancing act.

news.sky.com

 

[bradshmj10]

I agree with this and in my opinion it is the most logical and likely scenario. I also wonder when the river part of the search will be downgraded, as obviously the official LE search will have to be at some point.

I have been wondering about the deep hole as well. Just how deep it is, is there a section that is hard to get into or see into? I am not convinced N.B. is not in that general vicinity rather than having been swept further along the river.

I know different depths have been mentioned, but I only recall a depth of around 4m being mentioned on ITV News at some point. I must admit that I also have this uncomfortable feeling that she may in fact be much closer to the bench than most people are thinking, perhaps lodged in a place that is very easy to miss. Having said that, the main problem I have with this feeling is that Peter's team carried out a targeted search of the area around the bench to begin with and seems extremely confident that she is not in that area.

 

[Lilbitcurious]

Is it a public park? I've always assumed that both fields are private land belonging to Wyreside Farm with some public rights of way. Here is a map (from the Lancashire County Council website) of the public footpaths (purple dash):

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Despite the sign on the tree that says 'Dogs must be kept on a lead at all times', there is no requirement in law to keep your dog on a lead on a public footpath, unless the Local Authority makes an order under section 27 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, which I don't believe is the case here.

I think the sign may have been put up by farmers or someone else with livestock. Sheep/livestock worrying IMO