Hope that enables them to reach a verdict soon, and I really hope there's only one unsure juror on most charges - fair enough if a few are hung but I want to see verdicts for the majority of charges or we'll be back here for another 9 months sometime next year...
VERDICT WATCH UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #30
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Yup, I believe the judge must have sent a note to ask if they were any where near a unanimous decision, and got the answer no. I hope that there is just one juror who is unsure. What if it all comes down to that other juror being discharged last week. I just hope that justice will in the end be done. If they can't reach a verdict, what heartbreak.
I do wonder whether the jurors are completely split on ALL charges, or if only on some. And if they are split, I wonder how much so. With only being able to return a 10-1, I feel a majority doesn’t really make a huge difference if there’s a massive split across the jurors sadly.
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I don’t think it will be too much longer now.
From BBC News report:
“Judge Mr Justice James Goss said the new direction means they will have to agree by 10-1 on any counts that are not unanimous.”
Has that just been poorly worded by the reporter? I doubt the jurors have told him they have unanimous decisions on some charges, and he certainly wouldn’t indicate it when addressing them surely lol.
“Judge Mr Justice James Goss said the new direction means they will have to agree by 10-1 on any counts that are not unanimous.”
Has that just been poorly worded by the reporter? I doubt the jurors have told him they have unanimous decisions on some charges, and he certainly wouldn’t indicate it when addressing them surely lol.
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Yes, the Chester Standard has worded it differently:
The judge told the jurors they should still strive to reach a unanimous verdict, but a verdict of 10-1 would be acceptable. He added: "Nothing else will do" in relation to verdicts.
Lucy Letby trial: Judge gives majority direction to jury
THE judge in the Lucy Letby trial has given a majority verdict to the deliberating jury.
He normally says they will be back to continue deliberations.
Could it be tomorrow?!
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Length of Deliberations Predictions
Jul
Mon 10th - day 1 (afternoon only) - 2pm to 4pm minus 5mins = 1h 55m
Tue 11th - day 2 - 4h 20m
Wed 12th - day 3 - 4h 20m
Thu 13th - day 4 - 4h 20m
Fri 14th - day 5 - 4h 20m
Mon 24th - day 6 - 4h 20m
Tue 25th - day 7 - 4h 20m
Wed 26th - day 8 - 4h 15m
Thu 27th - day 9 - 4h 20m
Fri 28th - day 10 - 3h 50m (12pm - 4pm minus 2x 5 min breaks)
Aug
Tue 1st - day 11 - 4h 10m
Wed 2nd - day 12 - 4h 20m
Thu 3rd - day 13 - 4h 10m
Fri 4th - day 14 - 4h 15m
Tue 8th - day 15 - 4h 20m (majority direction given at 3pm)
Running total = 61h 35m
Still in the game -
58h - @Jw192 (backed by @Sarahlou and @Tortoise )
70h - @bobbymkii (backed by @Dotta and @marynnu )
75h - @CS2C (backed by @Kittybunny , @DianaWW , @Diddly1 and @Parker Knoll )
80h - @V347 (backed by @crystalline )
Jul
Mon 10th - day 1 (afternoon only) - 2pm to 4pm minus 5mins = 1h 55m
Tue 11th - day 2 - 4h 20m
Wed 12th - day 3 - 4h 20m
Thu 13th - day 4 - 4h 20m
Fri 14th - day 5 - 4h 20m
Mon 24th - day 6 - 4h 20m
Tue 25th - day 7 - 4h 20m
Wed 26th - day 8 - 4h 15m
Thu 27th - day 9 - 4h 20m
Fri 28th - day 10 - 3h 50m (12pm - 4pm minus 2x 5 min breaks)
Aug
Tue 1st - day 11 - 4h 10m
Wed 2nd - day 12 - 4h 20m
Thu 3rd - day 13 - 4h 10m
Fri 4th - day 14 - 4h 15m
Tue 8th - day 15 - 4h 20m (majority direction given at 3pm)
Running total = 61h 35m
Still in the game -
58h - @Jw192 (backed by @Sarahlou and @Tortoise )
70h - @bobbymkii (backed by @Dotta and @marynnu )
75h - @CS2C (backed by @Kittybunny , @DianaWW , @Diddly1 and @Parker Knoll )
80h - @V347 (backed by @crystalline )
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"Addressing the jury at Manchester Crown Court, Mr Justice Goss said: 'I am going to ask you to return to your deliberating room and continue with your deliberations and strive to reach unanimous verdicts.
'However, the time has now come when it is possible for me to accept verdicts upon which you are not all agreed, commonly referred to as majority verdicts.
'It must be by a majority of at least 10 of you, either 11-0 or 10-1. Nothing else will do.'"
www.dailymail.co.uk
'However, the time has now come when it is possible for me to accept verdicts upon which you are not all agreed, commonly referred to as majority verdicts.
'It must be by a majority of at least 10 of you, either 11-0 or 10-1. Nothing else will do.'"
Judge tells Lucy Letby jurors he will accept majority verdicts
Mr Justice Goss gave the instruction of the Manchester jury of seven women and four men shortly after 3pm today, by which time they had spent 76 hours deliberating.
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Some background on unanimous vs majority verdicts from here:
www.mosslaw.co.uk
So this suggests to me that the jury has told the Judge that they are stuck on at least some of the charges in that they cannot reach a unanimous verdict, and therefore he has given them the instructions he has today, which are entirely in line with the procedure described above. He has given them what? Three weeks to deliberate--as this is a very serious case--and now has deemed it appropriate to decide to allow a majority verdict.
If they cannot reach a majority on some charges, she won't be found not guilty but she won't be found guilty of them either. There can be a retrial if the judge agrees.
Jury Trial - How Your Fate is Decided - Moss & Co Solicitors
Jury trial in the crown court. Moss & Co explain the ins and outs of trial by jury. case preparation and the taking of verdicts.
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So this suggests to me that the jury has told the Judge that they are stuck on at least some of the charges in that they cannot reach a unanimous verdict, and therefore he has given them the instructions he has today, which are entirely in line with the procedure described above. He has given them what? Three weeks to deliberate--as this is a very serious case--and now has deemed it appropriate to decide to allow a majority verdict.
If they cannot reach a majority on some charges, she won't be found not guilty but she won't be found guilty of them either. There can be a retrial if the judge agrees.
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Well,
We can only hope, nothing else
I wonder if this Allit person and Shipman were convicted unanimously??
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Well,
We can only hope, nothing else
I wonder if this Allit person and Shipman were convicted unanimously??
Shipman definitely. I would guess likely for Allitt too as IMO less complex than this case.
The Verdict and Sentence — Dr. Harold Shipman, the World's Most Prolific Serial Killer — Crime Library
British Doctor, Harold Shipman is found guilty of murdering his patients. He commits suicide in prison, but the inquiry into his crime continues. In 2005, a high-level investigation indicated that he was definitely guilty of 217 serial murders of his patients, but may be responsible for as many...
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