Unwanted Birth Control Advice Leads To 76 yr Old Woman Being Banned From Bus

Ember I disagree that border patrol and immigration issues come down to the same thing. That issue has more to do with our tax dollars being spent on others not paying into the pool.
Plenty of hispanics are born right here in the US.
I personally think it is totally ignorant for people to presume because someone is hispanic that it means they are illegally here.

Hi Amraan,
It's been a long while since I've posted with you. I hope you are doing well. :)

I'm afraid that my last post has gotten misunderstood. Maybe bad wording on my part.

I meant that we have to keep the population under control, whether it be from illegal aliens from any country or from mothers who are pumping out kids left and right...usually with no means to support them except with gov't assistance....which only costs the hard working middle class more. Sure, have all of the children you want....as long as you can pay for them. (I don't mean you personally, just using "you" in general) If you can't feed them, don't breed them. As much as people complain about the Iraq war costing us so much money, just look at the tax dollars that go towards welfare! And the girls just keep pumping them out. Well now I'm going off on a tangent....let me just stay on topic :silenced: !

Anyway, it's just that I see our glorious and irreplaceable land disappearing faster and faster. What was once beautiful country side is now being turned into townhomes, housing developments, market places and such. That makes me extremely sad. I just don't want to end up like China.

As I said earlier, this old ladies presentation is all wrong....but her message is good. Sorry if I offended you. I surley didn't mean to do that!

ETA: And I surely don't think this little old lady should have been banned from the bus because she offended someone....maybe those out-of-control children were offending her. jmo....:silenced: :)
 
I meant that we have to keep the population under control...

Thank you!

I'm not defending the old bus rider (who sounds racist to me).

More importantly, however, The number of children anyone has is NOT just a private matter. This is very much something we should be talking about.

But we should be talking about population control as a matter of public policy and I don't care if Catholics are offended.

We shouldn't be harassing low-income mothers riding the bus.
 
If I got whistled at, I would become a regular at that station :D


LOL. Hey, I don't personally feel harassed but that's because I'm sort of a kick *advertiser censored* kind of person and feel like I've had to grow thicker skin to suceed. I'm blonde - I get stereotyped - I don't let it bother me or stop me for one second. I'm not offended by blonde jokes. You only give people the power to annoy when you choose to.

In regards to population control - I think if you can support your litter, go for it. But don't ask me to pony up because you can't take a freaking pill every day. It's SO EASY to not get pregnant. Believe me, I've done it. At 40-something (I couldn't figure out how to type "murmer") I don't have children because I couldn't really do it on my own and I was stuck on step number 1: Mate selection, for the longest time!

If you can't support the children you are having, on your own without holding your hand out for some type of socialist government program you should stop having them. It's that simple. Many times extended families help out or churches etc. and that's the way it should be. Just don't ask me to support your kids because I couldn't afford my own.

How hard is it really, come on now, to take a pill everyday? Or get a patch? We've made it IDIOT PROOF AND FREE IN MOST CASES, and yet...

Ok, I've ranted. Flame away.
 
Just for the record....IF she is being racist, I don't condone that at all.
I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would judge anyone on the color of their skin....

however, though the elderly lady may have stated her opinion in a very crass and rude way, we have a whole nation up in arms over border patrol and immigration....which pretty much comes down to that same point.

However, just because a mother happens to have 6 kids- it doesn't make her a breed-sow, oy. It was NOT any of this rude woman's business to offer birth control advice to a mother on a bus. Period.

It's not moxy. It's just plain nosey.
 
Thank you!

I'm not defending the old bus rider (who sounds racist to me).

More importantly, however, The number of children anyone has is NOT just a private matter. This is very much something we should be talking about.

But we should be talking about population control as a matter of public policy and I don't care if Catholics are offended.

We shouldn't be harassing low-income mothers riding the bus.

If they take complete, good care of their kids on their own, it IS a private matter. It was very presumptuous of this old lady to say anything, even if she DOES think she's the self-appointed population-control police.
 
If they take complete, good care of their kids on their own, it IS a private matter. It was very presumptuous of this old lady to say anything, even if she DOES think she's the self-appointed population-control police.

I totally agree the old bat was out of line.

But the children you create are NOT just a private matter, not even if you have the money to support them.

Every one of us and every one of our children uses shared resources that are in dwindling supply, including space, oil, water, food and more. And in fact, the offspring of the wealthy use more than their share.

This ain't the 1800s and we are no longer repopulating a continent emptied out by epidemics and genocide.

Personally, I think the answer is education, not forced sterilization or other coercive regimens. But we very much have to change the way we think about our "right" to procreate; it can't be unlimited.

This was understood and being discussed 40 years ago, but I guess we forgot while we were making money building McMansions.
 
If you can't support the children you are having, on your own without holding your hand out for some type of socialist government program you should stop having them. It's that simple. Many times extended families help out or churches etc. and that's the way it should be. Just don't ask me to support your kids because I couldn't afford my own.

Now this, I agree with- you should be able to support your kids. I wouldn't have them if I couldn't support them. But it's still a bit presumptuous to judge- life circumstances change, and I would never judge a welfare mother, who needs welfare to get on her feet. It's the people who keep cranking out babies so they can stay on welfare and not have to work, that's wrong- but again, it doesn't give someone the right to run their mouth to a mother on the bus. How annoying- here is a mother, struggling with 6 kid on a bus, and here's an old lady who mouths off. Doesn't sit well with me. Kids can be unruly- they grow up. It was presumptuous on so many levels- presuming that the mother wasn't handling her kids or didn't desire to have that number of kids, not to mention birth control goes against some religious beliefs. It's so easy for an old woman to stand there alone and say something snippy to a mother who's struggling with her kids, so helpful. Not.

I do have an attitude about people who act like they're just being feisty or having moxy when what they really are is just merely incredibly nosey, presumptuous, and rude. One day she'll say it to the wrong person.

Of course, I ignore nosey people, I have lots of experience. My next door neighbor is very bad with the comments and questions that don't concern her. She had a lot of kids herself so she wouldn't be like the lady on the bus, but she will see someone feed their baby a bottle in public and loudly ask them why they don't breastfeed. Or she'll approach a neighbor who works long hours and comment that their grass is too long in their yard. I feel the lady on the bus is probably similar to this which is why I feel disdain for her. I'm around it all the time. Nosy.
 
I totally agree the old bat was out of line.

But the children you create are NOT just a private matter, not even if you have the money to support them.

Every one of us and every one of our children uses shared resources that are in dwindling supply
, including space, oil, water, food and more. And in fact, the offspring of the wealthy use more than their share.

This ain't the 1800s and we are no longer repopulating a continent emptied out by epidemics and genocide.

Personally, I think the answer is education, not forced sterilization or other coercive regimens. But we very much have to change the way we think about our "right" to procreate; it can't be unlimited.

This was understood and being discussed 40 years ago, but I guess we forgot while we were making money building McMansions.

Well, I do see your point from an environmental standpoint, and I do agree things are overpopulated etc. I guess it's just that I don't really think zeroing in on one poor lady struggling with her kids on the bus is cool. And I feel pretty sure the lady who said something was not thinking about the earth's shared resources. :) I do see your point, and it's right. This story just irritated me good for some reason. :)
 
It's true that population control is a valid social discussion and something we need to look at. It's equally true that the 76-year-old lady wasn't thinking along those lines!
 
However, just because a mother happens to have 6 kids- it doesn't make her a breed-sow, oy. It was NOT any of this rude woman's business to offer birth control advice to a mother on a bus. Period.

It's not moxy. It's just plain nosey.

It does if she can't pay for them and that's the context I was using that phrase in. I was talking in general, not specifically about this mother on the bus. I don't know her situation. However, we all know lower life forms who just keep having more kids to up their welfare priviledges. It's about population control and the proper way for this country to be compassionate towards those in need.
I am deeply offended that my hard earned money goes to support a baby machine that is too unmotivated to make a good life for herself and her children. I have been a single mother with two small children.....and I can tell that while there is a breath left in my body, I will make my own way. Welfare was designed to help get a leg up, not a hand out....and no one should use their ability to reproduce as a step increase.


About whether you want to call it moxy or nosey is a matter of opinion.
MY opinion is that it is moxy....maybe senility...but never the less.....
There have been so many times that I have wanted to say the same thing to the girl in front of me in line at the grocery store who has 4 or 5 unruly, unclean and uncared for children screaming in the buggy that I am helping to support...especially when she has a cart full of steak, shrimp, and any other expensive food you can think of and then whips out her food stamps, very entitledly, to pay for it all. I would love to embarrass some pride into those kind of people......the only thing that stops me is that I would in no way shape or form hurt the children who are already at quite a disadvantage in life. Maybe when I'm old, I won't give a damn. :crazy:

jmo.....I call it like I see it.
 
It's true that population control is a valid social discussion and something we need to look at. It's equally true that the 76-year-old lady wasn't thinking along those lines!

Pop control is a very valid issue, my problem with it is-- well, twofold. I don't understand how women who don't want kids, or more kids, could possibly continue to get stuck having them, you know? I understand one oops baby but if someone has 3, 4, or 5 kids- I have to think they want them. (Pregnancy is very taxing to say the least, too). In this day and age there is simply no excuse for a woman not to be smart enough to know how *not* to have kids. It's a complete choice to avoid pregnancy and the woman has so many options. No excuses. Men too.

So with that...in regards to people who are in favor of population control, how can you enforce or promote, or help, this if the women who are having kids *want* their kids and support them? What can you do about it, even if you see the facts of the environment and world resources? You're either preaching to the choir and women who are preventing pregnancies because they don't want kids/more kids, or you're preaching to people who want more kids, then it becomes an issue of- if they can support them and want them, how do you stop them from continuing to have them? I guess I just see that unless something passes into law- a limit on kids per family or something, not much can be done except focus on the people who don't want pregnancies. And again, how do you find them if they don't seek info? Do you just do what the old lady did and bark out birth control advice to people who look like they have too many kids?

LOL......sigh...now I'm almost smiling, about to laugh. I am starting to get a kick out of this story. I do bet the lady who gave the advice surely didn't think it would cause this much of a stir. *laughs*. I wonder if she would have had any advice for me the other day in the grocery store. I'm pregnant and showing, waddling around, my daughter has a tantrum in the store and lays down in the aisle, I am trying to prod her up to take her out of the store, and there she lies. She is a good girl and in line 99% of the time, she hadn't had a nap and was being kind of sassy. Well, I had to get a prescription from the pharmacy and as soon as that was done I was struggling to remove her from the store. If I was not pregnant, I'd have just hoisted her up and that would have been that, but due to my "condition" I'm not able to just snatch her up, so it was a struggle. When I got her out of there, I straightened her out, put her in time out, and removed toys for the afternoon. But what could I do in the store? Not much. Someone watching us would have thought she's spoiled, not realizing that she'd disciplined, she does not get away with that, and she's usually **good**. They could have come to all kinds of conclusion and presumptions about my situation (and boy was I mad...I was furious). So if someone had said something, it would have peeved me for sure. I handle my business. Thankfully, people were either pointing and laughing, or giving me sympathetic looks. :croc: Lots of room there for presumption, though. Did I mention I was embarassed? And soo tired from struggling. It was just a bad preschooler day. I sure wouldn't have found birth control advice to be cute though. :D LOLOL.
 
Have you ever flown over the United States? I think we've room to grow, however, it seems that the educated and working (no matter what the race) are having less children because they are responsible people who take responsibility for their own.

Other countries are far worse at over populating, polluting and wasting natural resources. The U.S. has it's problems but we are the most generous and a very conservation oriented society.

I totally disagree that if someone can support their kids it's anyone's business. This is a free country, but founded on the premis that the government stays out of your life and you do your own thing, and succeed or suffer the consequences of your choices.

It becomes my business when you ask me to pay for your irresponsibility.
 
LOL......sigh...now I'm almost smiling, about to laugh. I am starting to get a kick out of this story. I do bet the lady who gave the advice surely didn't think it would cause this much of a stir. *laughs*. I wonder if she would have had any advice for me the other day in the grocery store. I'm pregnant and showing, waddling around, my daughter has a tantrum in the store and lays down in the aisle, I am trying to prod her up to take her out of the store, and there she lies. She is a good girl and in line 99% of the time, she hadn't had a nap and was being kind of sassy. Well, I had to get a prescription from the pharmacy and as soon as that was done I was struggling to remove her from the store. If I was not pregnant, I'd have just hoisted her up and that would have been that, but due to my "condition" I'm not able to just snatch her up, so it was a struggle. When I got her out of there, I straightened her out, put her in time out, and removed toys for the afternoon. But what could I do in the store? Not much. Someone watching us would have thought she's spoiled, not realizing that she'd disciplined, she does not get away with that, and she's usually **good**. They could have come to all kinds of conclusion and presumptions about my situation (and boy was I mad...I was furious). So if someone had said something, it would have peeved me for sure. I handle my business. Thankfully, people were either pointing and laughing, or giving me sympathetic looks. :croc: Lots of room there for presumption, though. Did I mention I was embarassed? And soo tired from struggling. It was just a bad preschooler day. I sure wouldn't have found birth control advice to be cute though. :D LOLOL.

Don't know how to control population....but I bet some very strict welfare reform would do wonders!

As for your situation with your daughter....that's just every day motherhood! Wait till the other one gets here and they both act up :crazy:
It would be different if you had 4 or 5 of them acting like that. Every parent knows how toddlers are and don't judge, they either do what you said....smile at the orneriness or give a look that shows that they can relate. She was just being a two year old.

btw, congrats on your upcoming arrival. I feel a little sheepish now knowing that I was discussing population control with a pregnant woman! I hope I didn't offend you!
 
I am deeply offended that my hard earned money goes to support a baby machine that is too unmotivated to make a good life for herself and her children. I have been a single mother with two small children.....and I can tell that while there is a breath left in my body, I will make my own way. Welfare was designed to help get a leg up, not a hand out....and no one should use their ability to reproduce as a step increase.


About whether you want to call it moxy or nosey is a matter of opinion.
MY opinion is that it is moxy....maybe senility...but never the less.....
There have been so many times that I have wanted to say the same thing to the girl in front of me in line at the grocery store who has 4 or 5 unruly, unclean and uncared for children screaming in the buggy that I am helping to support...especially when she has a cart full of steak, shrimp, and any other expensive food you can think of and then whips out her food stamps, very entitledly, to pay for it all. I would love to embarrass some pride into those kind of people......the only thing that stops me is that I would in no way shape or form hurt the children who are already at quite a disadvantage in life. Maybe when I'm old, I won't give a damn. :crazy:

jmo.....I call it like I see it.

I agree completely. ANd maybe that's what the deal with this lady is- she doesn't give a damn at her age. I know people like that. LOL.
 
Have you ever flown over the United States? I think we've room to grow, however, it seems that the educated and working (no matter what the race) are having less children because they are responsible people who take responsibility for their own.

Other countries are far worse at over populating, polluting and wasting natural resources. The U.S. has it's problems but we are the most generous and a very conservation oriented society.

I totally disagree that if someone can support their kids it's anyone's business. This is a free country, but founded on the premis that the government stays out of your life and you do your own thing, and succeed or suffer the consequences of your choices.

It becomes my business when you ask me to pay for your irresponsibility.

Amen sister! Exactly! :clap:
 
Don't know how to control population....but I bet some very strict welfare reform would do wonders!

As for your situation with your daughter....that's just every day motherhood! Wait till the other one gets here and they both act up :crazy:
It would be different if you had 4 or 5 of them acting like that. Every parent knows how toddlers are and don't judge, they either do what you said....smile at the orneriness or give a look that shows that they can relate. She was just being a two year old.

btw, congrats on your upcoming arrival. I feel a little sheepish now knowing that I was discussing population control with a pregnant woman! I hope I didn't offend you!

You didn't offend me, LOL. You also won't see me having 4 more, either. If I had 4 or 5 acting like that in public I'd be committed. I DO see people with a lot of unruly kids like this and it DOES make me wonder what in the world were they thinking. My husband has 2 brothers, and he says he wants to limit his own babymaking to 2. He feels that even 3 is pushing it because of what they did to his mom growing up. Eeek!

Since becoming a mother I do get in a kink about people just coming up and making comments though--there is something about being pregnant where people will just come up to you and say something nosy. It happens with kids too, lots of unsolicited advice, so this poor 76 year old lady probably wouldn't annoy me this badly if I wasn't associating her with my baggage. A woman in the doctor's office once asked me if my daughter is in preschool, out of the blue. I said no, I stay at home, and she tsk-tsk'd that she'll be delayed when she starts kindergarten. !! She went on and on about her grandkids being ahead of the other kids in kindergarten because they went to daycare and preschool. I said, well, they price at about $1000 a month, is she feels that strongly about it she can pay and I'll send her. :D

I've enjoyed the conversations about this story, I should thank the bus lady. :D:D
 
Hermione: I did the quote thing wrong! [/QUOTE]A woman in the doctor's office once asked me if my daughter is in preschool, out of the blue. I said no, I stay at home, and she tsk-tsk'd that she'll be delayed when she starts kindergarten. !! She went on and on about her grandkids being ahead of the other kids in kindergarten because they went to daycare and preschool. I said, well, they price at about $1000 a month, is she feels that strongly about it she can pay and I'll send her. :D

I've enjoyed the conversations about this story, I should thank the bus lady. :D:D[/QUOTE]

Now that's how to handle a moxy, rude whatever person! LOL. Well done.
 
I don't know if this woman was racist or not... I'm not getting into that...

I've noticed that a lot of older people have no tact whatsoever. That's just how they are. They say what is on their mind before they think about it. I think that's what happened here. My mother-in-law for one while we were planning our wedding was talking to my family. My mom and a couple of my aunts were talking about needing to lose weight before the big day. She replied with, "Yeah, ya'll sure do!"

While some people would have said it because of her being Hispanic, I'm not positive that that's what this woman did.

Although I do have to agree that once we start paying for them it is no longer a private matter.
 
I wonder how the kids felt when the old bat suggested that their mom didn't have to have any babies?
 
Guys, can we try not to refer to this woman as "an old bat?"
 

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