VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #13

[Eileen730]

:thud: :censored:

I know I had the same reaction when I found and read it!

 

[Emaa]

It was said on here that he family hired an attorney, the one JM met with on Saturday. I don't have his name, but it's several pages back.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...e05ae2-436f-11e4-b437-1a7368204804_story.html

Matthew has hired an attorney, Charlottesville lawyer James L. Camblos III, who said he met with Matthew on Saturday after Matthew voluntarily went to the Charlottesville police station and briefly spoke with police. Camblos declined to discuss the case or his client when contacted Tuesday night.

I see that Camblos was admitted (to Bar?) in '76. He looks much older than I expected. I wonder what he did in his prior life? If he is older, closer to retirement, he likely has the ability to take cases pro bono.

http://www.martindale.com/James-L-Camblos-III/1731773-lawyer.htm

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/l...cle_1870ae78-7bd6-11e3-b68b-001a4bcf6878.html

 

[Sjm_qc]

Maybe it is better to say that 'a text was sent from her phone'. We don't know who actually typed and sent it. Could have been JM.

And we don't actually know what it said exactly (several versions cited by both msm & LE.

 

[Lovepink]

Interesting, as in my state, for underage, it is ZERO

I believe it's .02.

Edited to correct: I am thinking about underage DUI aka baby DUI. Any consumption not in a private residence with parents or spouse is consumption. There's no .08 requirement.

 

[TTF14]

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Certainly not an alibi unless that game went into quintuple overtime.....

 

[wendle83]

:thud: :censored:

Smart move on JM's part if he knows about this case and the results.

 

[jamicat]

Camblos’ Greatest Hits

Getting Away with Murder
On September 22, 1998, three friends robbed the Shell station on Ivy Road, murdering clerk Osama Hassan for $100.03. The murder was committed by a mentally retarded boy after being forced to do so by his friend Dylan Tyree. All three were charged with the man’s murder.

On May 8, 2001, Judge Paul Peatross was forced to drop all charges against Tyree. The state appeals court found that Jim Camblos’ had improperly handled the case, making much of the evidence inadmissible. No evidence, no conviction. The other two were convicted easily. Tyree remains free to this day

Read ON!
http://cvillenews.com/2007/11/05/vote-against-camblos/

Many, maybe any DAs have a number of such cases and occurances, as do many attorneys and police officers. It appears that the current DA is being extra careful that this does not happen here with national attention on the case. Longo seems to feel he could have been more aggressive with JM but he is following DA's rules.

Now Camblos is on the other side of the fence. He certainly well nows how evidence can be made inadmissable from personal experience.


This happens a lot, by the way, not just in Charlotteville. Even some of those considered "greats" in the field have such cases. And sometimes it's not the DA's fault or under his direct control. LE or a clerk or someone that is doing something for him messes up. But it all goes on the DA's head.

 

[thebes]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...e05ae2-436f-11e4-b437-1a7368204804_story.html

Matthew has hired an attorney, Charlottesville lawyer James L. Camblos III, who said he met with Matthew on Saturday after Matthew voluntarily went to the Charlottesville police station and briefly spoke with police. Camblos declined to discuss the case or his client when contacted Tuesday night.

I see that Camblos was admitted (to Bar?) in '76. He looks much older than I expected. I wonder what he did in his prior life? If he is older, closer to retirement, he likely has the ability to take cases pro bono.

http://www.martindale.com/James-L-Camblos-III/1731773-lawyer.htm

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/l...cle_1870ae78-7bd6-11e3-b68b-001a4bcf6878.html

He was a Commonwealth attorney (prosecutor). Most criminal defense attorneys were once prosecutors.

 

[Eileen730]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...e05ae2-436f-11e4-b437-1a7368204804_story.html

Matthew has hired an attorney, Charlottesville lawyer James L. Camblos III, who said he met with Matthew on Saturday after Matthew voluntarily went to the Charlottesville police station and briefly spoke with police. Camblos declined to discuss the case or his client when contacted Tuesday night.

I see that Camblos was admitted (to Bar?) in '76. He looks much older than I expected. I wonder what he did in his prior life? If he is older, closer to retirement, he likely has the ability to take cases pro bono.

http://www.martindale.com/James-L-Camblos-III/1731773-lawyer.htm

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/l...cle_1870ae78-7bd6-11e3-b68b-001a4bcf6878.html

Read this!

http://cvillenews.com/2007/11/05/vote-against-camblos/

 

[bakerlady]

Anyone can hire an attorney for someone else. They dont care who pays them...
I would assume his family initiated it because 1-JM did not want to stick his head out or 2- They are paying for it.
There is no reason to hire this type of attorney to rep the family about questioning by the police. He is Jm's attorney and his family is paying for it.

AFAIK the client has to sign a retainer themselves. Can't get someone else to do it unless they have power of attorney or the person is underage.

I think the confusion is due to another case of terrible journalism as we have seen throughout this case.

 

[Skigirl]

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For what it's worth, the guy in that picture is not someone who would have frightened me as a college student.

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

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[Perplexed 123]

If you currently need a lawyer but don’t know who to turn to, call Jim

http://www.dexknows.com/business_profiles/camblos_james-b3301646


:laughing: I probably laughed more that I should have at that bit :blushing:

 

[bestill]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...e05ae2-436f-11e4-b437-1a7368204804_story.html

Matthew has hired an attorney, Charlottesville lawyer James L. Camblos III, who said he met with Matthew on Saturday after Matthew voluntarily went to the Charlottesville police station and briefly spoke with police. Camblos declined to discuss the case or his client when contacted Tuesday night.

I see that Camblos was admitted (to Bar?) in '76. He looks much older than I expected. I wonder what he did in his prior life? If he is older, closer to retirement, he likely has the ability to take cases pro bono.

http://www.martindale.com/James-L-Camblos-III/1731773-lawyer.htm

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/l...cle_1870ae78-7bd6-11e3-b68b-001a4bcf6878.html

Interesting article and representation of clients.

 

[atthelake]

Well, so much for the theory that JM/his family couldn't afford an attorney. I bet this one doesn't come cheap.

Unless he's working the case pro bono, of course.

FWIW, Gitana1 yesterday said attys would line up for him to do pro bono on his case.

 

[astridxx]

AFAIK the client has to sign a retainer themselves. Can't get someone else to do it unless they have power of attorney or the person is underage.

I think the confusion is due to another case of terrible journalism as we have seen throughout this case.

Someone can act as the guarantor (for lack of better words -- I can't think of the correct term right now) - like "John Smith retains the services of this law firm to represent the client Bob Smith" - it can easily be written into a contract. Also, there is usually a disclaimer saying that the person who hired the firm is not privy to client/attorney privilege, and they acknowledge they understand that by initialing. It is truly not uncommon for someone to hire an attorney for someone else.

 

[jamicat]

Well, so much for the theory that JM/his family couldn't afford an attorney. I bet this one doesn't come cheap.

Unless he's working the case pro bono, of course.

Defence attorneys love high profile cases like this I believe attorneys who are on this board have said the same. He is likely going to be represented pro bono. The publicity is priceless especially if he gets reduced charges, a not guilty or dropped charges, but really if he just looks good. Plus his name will get out there, very important in getting well heeled clientale in trouble.

 

[MuddyTires]

Anyone can hire an attorney for someone else. They dont care who pays them...
I would assume his family initiated it because 1-JM did not want to stick his head out or 2- They are paying for it.
There is no reason to hire this type of attorney to rep the family about questioning by the police. He is Jm's attorney and his family is paying for it.

Agree that he's most likely rep'ing JM, as I said. But your assertion that there is no reason for the family to hire an attorney for themselves is based on assumptions that may or may not be true.

 

[netsleuth]

It would likely be a matter of public record if LE finds this info. It would have to be provided to JM's attorney. Whether it's to JM's advantage if she were taking drugs, I don't know.

It's already out there that Hannah was under the influence of something. She was drunk. The definitive way this was said, "highly intoxicated" indicates that LE knows this pretty much for sure. She left a dinner, a party, and those there probably have told LE she was drinking a lot and was drunk when she left. UVA and LE should be meeting with all of those who were there at that get together. Whoever hosted it gave alcohol to someone underage. They let her leave alone at night KNOWING she had too much too drink. There is culpability here. But she is an adult. Over 18, and broke the laws all on her own knowingly. So there is some follow up to do here. My guess is that for right now, it's far more important to get all the info one could get from everyone and serves no good purpose to put the heat on these students and those who gave Hannah alcohol, did not call police when they saw her clearly out of it. When things settle down more, when Hannah is found, or the searches called off, these things should be addressed.

But how much good will it do? Probably none long term. Everyone on their toes now in Charlotteville but in time things will go back to the norm. I have been very interested in the Lauren Spierer case from 3 years ago, where a college co ed under the influence allegedly went off on her own and disappeared. She was clearly drunk or on drugs, probably both as she was followed on tape for a while as was Hannah,and even seen drinking at a bar. She had fake id, had already been charged before with underage drinking as were a number of her cohorts of that evening. Even as her dear, heart broken parents were there in Bloomington trying to to keep up the efforts to find her, get more info, Charlotte Spierer, the mom in the case noted seeeing other drunk, disoriented young women at the same times of the night, early evening, same locale as where Lauren disappeared, even with flyers and billboard festooned with her photos all about. I have young adult children and this has been a problem for a long time and it's not just from this generation.

But I will say, that in my day, at my college, young women were not often allowed to wander off at night drunk or on drugs in a state of confusion. Someone, a friend, a fellow student, someone there always would insist on escorting someone like that home. I don't know of a single case of this sort of thing happening with death, missing, police report. Nor do I know a single case of alcohol poisoning or death on the couch fromoODing at a party with no one noticing. And I now know a multitude of such cases, some of people I know personally. Four of my friends have so lost their children, three while they were good students at prestigious colleges. And many more, including self, have had their kids getting in trouble with LE or school due to issues mixed with substance abuse including drinking. It's outright common.

So, absolutely, I do not think that "good", smart, successful college student or any young people, or anyone are excluded from getting into trouble of this sort. It's a tale as old as time. But what troubles me is that friends and fellow students don't seem to step up and help the person home as they used to do so. They knowingly let some drunk or confused person go out in the night. That is what I see as a big difference. In a number of these cases, and the Lauren Spierer one and this one are good examples, "friends" let a girl in bad shape go out alone in the dark. Didn't call campus security, did not call police. Did not get other students to help insist she stay put or escort her Just let her go KNOWING she was blitzed.

So does it mater if Hannah took a certain drug or if she was just flat out drunk? it's clear she was confused. It's clear those who knew her let her leave alone in non-optimal shape. Someone offered to go with her, she declined, so that was it, instead of the person saying, "NO WAY should you go out in that shape alone. We need a few folks to take her home." IMO that party or dinner crowd should be getting flak, letting her go when people there, her friends and classmates KNEW she was drunk, and disoriented, serving drinks to underaged people--and she was a sophomore, they had to know she was likely underage, heck, probalby helped her get fake id if she had it as many of the kids do.

But right now the LE focus is as it should be, on getting Hannah back, locking up her perp, and finding out what happened. UVA should be addressing student conduct, but they will probably do as IU did. Focus on those things about the situation to make them look good instead of going after those who flagrently broke UVA rules on substance abuse if that is the case.

As you acknowledge, a fellow student offered to walk Hannah home. She declined. Hannah is an adult and her decisions must be respected; Hannah is responsible for her own actions, not the other students. Everyone knows that college students are going to drink, always have and always will -- no matter what the law states. Pushing the drinking age to 21 only gives society the means to give otherwise law abiding young adults a criminal record early in life. Parents should teach their children to make good decisions and to not take unnecessary risks. I for one do not want any action taken against the other students -- they feel bad enough. Even if a fellow student walked Hannah home, what would stop her from going out again? Please do not blame the other students. I do not want to see her classmates tarnished by this event.