Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #10

[pittsburghgirl]

I'm not that hung up on the terrain and how difficult it would have been to transport her (or her body) to where it was found. IMO, if the police vehicles could drive directly to that spot, then the perp could have as well.

it would be interesting to know if the landowner or anyone else noticed car tracks in that area as from what was said on NG last night, the "grass" or whatever was planted there was waist high in October. A car would have had tough going as it would be difficult to see what sort of ground the car was driving on--e.g., rocks, ditches--because of tall grass. And a car or other vehicle would leave tracks. I grew up in the country and I wouldn't drive into a field with tall grass (even with my Subaru) but someone with a pickup or other vehicle with high ground clearance might. And of course, the predator could have walked her back there or driven part way.

 

[Fiercemom]

I don't believe that Morgan's father disclosed how they knew she entered the arena only that it was confirmed she did.

 

[beachlvr0810]

Why wasn't this farm searched by the police? It is only 10 miles from the venue!
They could have used cadaver dogs!
If there was a farm 10 miles away with 700 acres-search all 700 acres!

Morgan was missing for 101 days!

There is a $150,000 reward for information leading to arrest of person/persons responsible for
her death.

Wasn't there some kind of statistic once that said a large percentage of people are killed within 10 miles of home? I've often thought about that.

 

[beachlvr0810]

This would have been 10 miles from where she was.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I hadn't seen this before and don't know if it has been posted. It answers why Morgan may have went outside the arena.

Virginia Tech student, Morgan Harrington, vanished three months ago, after stepping outside a concert arena for a cigarette.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crim...-Virginia-Tech-student-to-be-held-on-Saturday

 

[suejay40]

This eh is listed as a violent offender. There must be a reason for that which would not likely be a statutory rape.

 

[coklat]

Why wasn't this farm searched by the police? It is only 10 miles from the venue!
They could have used cadaver dogs!
If there was a farm 10 miles away with 700 acres-search all 700 acres!

Morgan was missing for 101 days!

There is a $150,000 reward for information leading to arrest of person/persons responsible for
her death.

But how many other sizable farms are also within a 10 mile radius of the venue? How long would it take to properly search even 1 sq. mile, let alone all farms in the area? Note that a circle with radius of 10 mi. would have an area of over 300 sq. mi. -- that's a lot of ground to cover. How well could these farms be searched with snow on the ground? (Locals on Find Morgan said that the snow only melted away within the last week or so.) How could LE do a search of this magnitude and still investigate other cases and perform their other day-to-day duties? If LE would need a warrant to search each farm within a 10 mile radius, how long would that take in court?

I don't think we can blame LE for not discovering her body sooner.

 

[SuziQ]

I don't believe that Morgan's father disclosed how they knew she entered the arena only that it was confirmed she did.

And based on what info? The same eyewitness info we have?

 

[carbuff]

My own hinky feeling: I think one of the people who reported seeing her outside the arena is the perp. Probably the one who saw her on the bridge. I think she was actually picked up, probably willingly, in one of the parking lots.

 

[ams1985]

As a young woman of approximately Morgan's age, it would be completely normal for me or one of my friends to go to the bathroom (or another spot within a bar/concert venue) alone. I don't think this is unusual at all, or at least not cause for suspicion of her friends. Some young women are just more independent than others.

I agree. When I go to the bathroom, I don't want a group following me. I don't want them to talk to me while I use the restroom or hang around outside, so I don't think it is that odd.

And just something I thought of (from experience of when I was younger, dumber, and nothing could hurt me)

Xanax and valium were popular in my area. A pill and a few sips of a drink and it was all over. Depending on how much alcohol you had with it, you could still walk and talk (not well, though). So maybe if she took something and didn't realize how much a few sips or a drink or two with it would interact, she could have been out of her mind but still walking (maybe falling and hurting her face) and talking enough to do something strange like hitch a ride with a stranger or ask strangers for help. It would be easy to drop a phone and lose a purse in that kind of state and not even care. Also, if you had several drinks quickly (since she was underage and maybe drinking them fast before she went in) it could all hit her very fast and unexpected. Possibly leading to overdose and dump?

Just throwing it out there

 

[Cher352]

I have ALWAYS found that point weird. In a big place (stadium, big bar, etc) my friends & I always go w/@ least one other girl just for the sake of having someone to talk to while you are in the never ending line. However, I have also been to concerts, bars, etc where I have met a girl sitting near me & we have ventured to the restroom together leaving my friends behind.

I do have a hard time figuring out how Morgan go outside the arena that night -- I believe the friends know how/why she got out there & as does LE. There is no way that the call/text discussion w/ the friend inside did not include that information. That would be the first question you would ask before you tried to figure out how to get her back in.

I also have a hard time figuring out her message to her friends inside too...If what we heard was the correct context of that call, she didn't seem concerned to be on the outside, and the excuse about looking for a bathroom sounds like it was just that, an excuse to her friends as to why she was on the outside.

I know a lot of kids will go back out to their cars to smoke or drink, not saying this is this case with Morgan but they is why at a lot of events they do not allow re-entry. Could she have gone outside because someone else she met wanted to do these things and talked her in to going along?

Again it seems to me that she felt relativity safe at the time she made the call and why say she would get home on her own, why not say she would wait outside for them, especially IIRC it was her car they came in.

Sounds like she had plans for something...

 

[January.]

I don't have a hard time understanding why her friends didn't go with her to the bathroom/outside/etc. but I DO have a hard time understanding why they would leave the venue without her, not knowing where she was or if she was safe.

 

[Blue Ridge]

I also have a hard time figuring out her message to her friends inside too...If what we heard was the correct context of that call, she didn't seem concerned to be on the outside, and the excuse about looking for a bathroom sounds like it was just that, an excuse to her friends as to why she was on the outside.

I know a lot of kids will go back out to their cars to smoke or drink, not saying this is this case with Morgan but they is why at a lot of events they do not allow re-entry. Could she have gone outside because someone else she met wanted to do these things and talked her in to going along?

Again it seems to me that she felt relativity safe at the time she made the call and why say she would get home on her own, why not say she would wait outside for them, especially IIRC it was her car they came in.

Sounds like she had plans for something...

I haven't been following this case thoroughly, but I do remember it said how much she was looking forward to this concert, even having the tickets up on the fridge for months in advance....why on earth would she leave willingly at all?

 

[Cher352]

I agree. When I go to the bathroom, I don't want a group following me. I don't want them to talk to me while I use the restroom or hang around outside, so I don't think it is that odd.

And just something I thought of (from experience of when I was younger, dumber, and nothing could hurt me)

Xanax and valium were popular in my area. A pill and a few sips of a drink and it was all over. Depending on how much alcohol you had with it, you could still walk and talk (not well, though). So maybe if she took something and didn't realize how much a few sips or a drink or two with it would interact with it, she could have been out of her mind but still walking (maybe falling and hurting her face) and talking enough to do something strange like hitch a ride with a stranger or ask strangers for help. It would be easy to drop a phone and lose a purse in that kind of state. Also, if you had several drinks quickly (since she was underage and maybe drinking them fast before she went in) it could all hit her very fast and unexpected. Possibly leading to overdose?

Just throwing it out there

Yes, I went through some of those careless drinking stages too when I was young. Once when about Morgan's age I was so drunk that I missed the whole concert asleep on out of the way bleacher. Another time I drank too quickly and left my friends inside a club and went out to the car to sleep it off. It never occurred to me that this would be dangerous at the time, I was so naive of the ways of the world, guess the Lord was watching over me.

 

[Trixie B.]

This eh is listed as a violent offender. There must be a reason for that which would not likely be a statutory rape.

EH was charged with 2 counts of rape, 18.2-61 of the VA code. Statutory rape is a different charge entirely, 18.2-63.

 

[LadyBug99]

I agree. When I go to the bathroom, I don't want a group following me. I don't want them to talk to me while I use the restroom or hang around outside, so I don't think it is that odd.

And just something I thought of (from experience of when I was younger, dumber, and nothing could hurt me)

Xanax and valium were popular in my area. A pill and a few sips of a drink and it was all over. Depending on how much alcohol you had with it, you could still walk and talk (not well, though). So maybe if she took something and didn't realize how much a few sips or a drink or two with it would interact with it, she could have been out of her mind but still walking (maybe falling and hurting her face) and talking enough to do something strange like hitch a ride with a stranger or ask strangers for help. It would be easy to drop a phone and lose a purse in that kind of state. Also, if you had several drinks quickly (since she was underage and maybe drinking them fast before she went in) it could all hit her very fast and unexpected. Possibly leading to overdose?

Just throwing it out there

I agree with you 100%. Also, her friends may not have wanted to walk away from their seats to escort her to the bathroom. They were at a concert and may not have wanted to miss the band that was playing. I do not think that is unusual at all.

Something very well could have been slipped into her drink, but in my opinion I don't think she was drugged. I think whatever she took/drank that night, she did willingly. Pre-gaming before the show....trying to drink as much as possible, knowing she would not be served at the concert.

 

[KR2tonenow]

I don't believe that Morgan's father disclosed how they knew she entered the arena only that it was confirmed she did.

Right, I believe survelliance confirmed Morgan entered and left venue.

 

[Cher352]

I don't have a hard time understanding why her friends didn't go with her to the bathroom/outside/etc. but I DO have a hard time understanding why they would leave the venue without her, not knowing where she was or if she was safe.

Yes exactly, unless she had done this type of thing before with these same friends. If would be interesting to know or to hear her friends talk in detail about it their attitude towards this that night.

 

[eyes4crime]

Why wasn't this farm searched by the police? It is only 10 miles from the venue!
They could have used cadaver dogs!
If there was a farm 10 miles away with 700 acres-search all 700 acres!

Morgan was missing for 101 days!

There is a $150,000 reward for information leading to arrest of person/persons responsible for
her death.

This case wasn't designated a homicide until yesterday. Did they ever use cadaver dogs? TIA

 

[ams1985]

I agree with you 100%. Also, her friends may not have wanted to walk away from their seats to escort her to the bathroom. They were at a concert and may not have wanted to miss the band that was playing. I do not think that is unusual at all.

Something very well could have been slipped into her drink, but in my opinion I don't think she was drugged. I think whatever she took/drank that night, she did willingly. Pre-gaming before the show....trying to drink as much as possible, knowing she would not be served at the concert.

Yeah, I wouldn't expect my friends to walk away from the fun just to wait on me to use the bathroom, I wouldn't even ask. I don't think drugged either. I was dumb enough to "drug" myself. When me and my friends were underage, we would just "party" enough before we went so we wouldn't have to sneak anything in. Once I passed out at a party and my "best friend' left me because she was also out of it.

Stupid, I know... but surely I am not the only one who made those dumb mistakes