Victim - Melissa Barthelemy

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Something that kind of jumped out at me this morning regarding the phone calls to Melissa's sister: they went on for quite some time. LISK initially talked about all the things he did to Melissa, but never mentioned killing her until the very last call. So, did he hold her somewhere? If so, do the forensics bear this out? If he didn't hold her, then she was at the dumpsite (along with Maureen) the entire 6 months he was calling Melissa's sister and tormenting her. What prompted him to end the calls by telling the sister Melissa was dead? My guess is because the game got old to him. Move on to a new game. Court another victim. That next victim would have been Megan. So if Melissa disappeared July 10, 2009... and if the calls went on for 6 months, that puts us some time in January of 2010. Megan disappeared June 6, 2010. That's 5 months time LISK had to court her, assuming he devoted himself strictly to her (which he may not have).

So my question is this: what do we know about Megan's activities from Jan.-June 2010 ? Anything?

Very good point. If he was holding her for the entire 6 months, then he would have to have no wife, gf or kids living with him. It would take alot of care to keep someone alive for 6 months, even on the bare minimum of bread and water. Then a holding place that would NEVER be discovered that he could travel to minimum of once a week with out drawing suspicion.
So I believe you are right. It was more of a game. Like a way for him to re-live the killing by telling her sister what he did.
I am convinced he kept them for some amount of time. But not longer than a few days. Thats a lot of logistics involved. And the area is, from what I see on maps and have read, pretty populated.
If she kept a client log during Jan- June 10, that would be something very interesting to look at. But if his name turns up in a log book I would be surprised. I doubt any John would give a real name. But if something like the Mickey Mouse fake phone name thing was there.... who knows.

Oh wow, the phones. It just hit me. Maybe he caught MB taking his picture with her phone. Could be a BIG reason why the other girls didn't take their phones. If the theory is correct he requested them not to.
 
Something that kind of jumped out at me this morning regarding the phone calls to Melissa's sister: they went on for quite some time. LISK initially talked about all the things he did to Melissa, but never mentioned killing her until the very last call. So, did he hold her somewhere? If so, do the forensics bear this out? If he didn't hold her, then she was at the dumpsite (along with Maureen) the entire 6 months he was calling Melissa's sister and tormenting her. What prompted him to end the calls by telling the sister Melissa was dead? My guess is because the game got old to him. Move on to a new game. Court another victim. That next victim would have been Megan. So if Melissa disappeared July 10, 2009... and if the calls went on for 6 months, that puts us some time in January of 2010. Megan disappeared June 6, 2010. That's 5 months time LISK had to court her, assuming he devoted himself strictly to her (which he may not have).

So my question is this: what do we know about Megan's activities from Jan.-June 2010 ? Anything?

Mountain_Kat

FYI, the phone calls to MB's sister started July 16, 2009 and ended Aug 26, 2009 with the caller saying he killed Melissa.
Thecalls ended after a Buffalo TV station revealed their existence.
So the timespan of the calls where 5 weeks and 3 days.



2009 calls from MB cell phone, (7 all together, the last 3 calls date is not known):

July 16,

July 19

July 23

Aug 26
 
Somebody find Johnny Terry, ask him where the house is...we will solve the case in no time. WTF these cops suck!!
 
Something that kind of jumped out at me this morning regarding the phone calls to Melissa's sister: they went on for quite some time. LISK initially talked about all the things he did to Melissa, but never mentioned killing her until the very last call. So, did he hold her somewhere? If so, do the forensics bear this out? If he didn't hold her, then she was at the dumpsite (along with Maureen) the entire 6 months he was calling Melissa's sister and tormenting her. What prompted him to end the calls by telling the sister Melissa was dead? My guess is because the game got old to him. Move on to a new game. Court another victim. That next victim would have been Megan. So if Melissa disappeared July 10, 2009... and if the calls went on for 6 months, that puts us some time in January of 2010. Megan disappeared June 6, 2010. That's 5 months time LISK had to court her, assuming he devoted himself strictly to her (which he may not have).

So my question is this: what do we know about Megan's activities from Jan.-June 2010 ? Anything?

Do we have exact dates for the calls at all? Is there in the meantime anything more about the calls, Terri, her bf, got?
I remember foggy, there was another case somewhere, where the killer called families for days or weeks, pretending, he was holding the victims alive, even he had killed them already, but I can't remember who or where this was. Maybe with more coffee and sifting through my archive, I will come to it.
 
Hi Peter,

I'm sorry if I have offended you - I didn't mean to be rude in my post I just wanted to clarify some facts.
I agree that there is no point in going around in circles rehashing the same argument, I think it's a good thing that we all have different ideas - it means that everyone is bringing their own unique skills and knowledge bases to help solve this case. :rocker:
I also wanted to say I took you up on your post where you asked anyone to google your name and find your website and read your profile on the LISK - you have some really interesting ideas. Totally different take on the profiles discussed on websleuths. But definitely plausible. Especially the stalker aspect IMHO. I just wanted to ask you if you could explain what are the reasons you feel it's a racially motivated anger type of perpetrator? You mentioned in your profile that it had simularities to the Waldo rapist? Im not familiar with that case. Are there other cases that seem similar to you? or reasons??
Thanks in advance

Okay, I just wrote an endless post with the first part of the reasons (I have too many to squeeze them in one post) and then, this board software suddenly demanded, I have to log in again and forgot all the text ...

1.) Carlton Gary, Lemual Smith
Two black serial killers with different target groups but similiar parameters (not much common in their victims except for age bracket, gender and ethnicity)

2.) Omar Thornton
The beer trucker, who went on a killing spree. While this is a spree killer he had a very similar victimology and he was so nice to tell his motives via cell phone before he put one in his head.

3.) Bernard Jackson aka the Waldo rapist
A serial rapist specialized in white women in the Waldo area. Domination type offender. It was pretty clear from the start, the the offender was an African-American because witnesses described him. However, for reason,s I don't understand up till today, I was grilled for saying, he would be a car mechanic. As a matter of fact, when they caught him, they knew he was one ... I don't know, does car mechanic in the US qualify as race?

4.) LISK himself
He build a trophy yard for drive-by. This indicates, the victims in themselves has no meaning to him, but what they represent is important. So what do four dead white girls represent and to whom?

He also called allegedly not only the sister of Melissa Barthelmy, but also her bf from which he had to expect more of a pimp's mindset in the first place. This is not torture behavior, this is domination behavior. But that would put every sexual motive in the second or even third road.

Since he is a stalker, he has to stalk. Melissa Barthelmy lived in an area, white people are rare. Black people by the way too, but they pull less attention from the mostly Hispanic population in the Bronx. So while a black guy can stalk almost everywhere, some of the areas, he would have followed his victims around would have caused a lot of trouble for a lonely white dude.

The phone calls to the sister and the boyfriend of Melissa Barthelmy are also a giveaway: They were precise aimed at domination. Still they were allegedly made by a drunk white dude. Now, every halfway educated African-American speaks more than just 'bro'. And the rest can be disguised as being drunk. But there is no way, this caller was really drunk, he was too precise for that, too fast reacting on the reactions of the sister and the boyfriend. So the whole drunk white dude is a fake. But a white offender would have had no reason to play white. A black offender would have, especially one on this level of organization.

His amazing resistance to poison ivy. I read (and I couldn't verify it yet because I lack the medical knowledge), a rare side effect of sickle cell anemia is a higher resistance against certain plant poisons. Not sure, if that is true though, but some doctors claim it. I have to find the articles again. But if they're right, SCD points also in the African-American or African direction.

His restraint from injecting himself into the investigation. An offender on that level of organization, who has with his calls from Madison Square Garden already shown some arrogance, would feel the temptation and it would be hard to resist. Unless, he isn't the usual psychopath on a control trip but a mission-driven offender with a mission, he assumes, the media and the police wouldn't understand anyway. And for a reverse-racist, we can assume that part because in his eyes police and media are whitey-controlled.

There is more, but after I ost the first mail, I am a bit unwilling to type it again. However, if you look at my website, that essential parts now in the NYT profiles, or what Rifkin told (construction/landscaping) was in my profile already in Spring of 2011. So, SG was found unrelated (which I predicted in March 2011), anbd now we're up to the seasonal construction subcontractor (which I predicted also in March) and in the meantime, most professional profilers like S.T.A.L.K or obviously also the BAU have recognized, we deal with two SKs in the area (which I also predicted in March 2011). So I think, the more time passes, the more details of that profile will be proven (or dismissed, whatever they find), but as of yet, my not so modest me was once more right in all points that could be proven since I wrote the profile. Yep, bragging is not nice, but sometimes the body needs it!
 
Mountain_Kat

FYI, the phone calls to MB's sister started July 16, 2009 and ended Aug 26, 2009 with the caller saying he killed Melissa.
Thecalls ended after a Buffalo TV station revealed their existence.
So the timespan of the calls where 5 weeks and 3 days.



2009 calls from MB cell phone, (7 all together, the last 3 calls date is not known):

July 16,

July 19

July 23

Aug 26

Now that is something to work with. Thanks a lot!
 
Somebody find Johnny Terry, ask him where the house is...we will solve the case in no time. WTF these cops suck!!

So you still think, a John, who knew one of the victims killed all four? Since the guy called her on her cell, the cops have found this John in the meantime anyway and ruled out. They only didn't give his name to the media. So what?
 
My thought from the beginning--they didn't ask to be taken to his house because they already knew all about him.
 
My thought from the beginning--they didn't ask to be taken to his house because they already knew all about him.

It's pretty hard for LE not to find him, he called several times that night on her cell phone. AND she knew him, so those weren't the first calls. So if he would have used a burner phone, he wouldn't be traceable and LE would be all over him, but if he was traceable, they found him, asked him discretely some questions and that's it.
 
Mountain_Kat

FYI, the phone calls to MB's sister started July 16, 2009 and ended Aug 26, 2009 with the caller saying he killed Melissa.
Thecalls ended after a Buffalo TV station revealed their existence.
So the timespan of the calls where 5 weeks and 3 days.



2009 calls from MB cell phone, (7 all together, the last 3 calls date is not known):

July 16,

July 19

July 23

Aug 26

Hmmm, why was I thinking the calls went on for 6 months? :waitasec:
 
There is a quick mention of Melissa Barthelemy in this article:

BuffaloNews.com
COLUMNS >> Donn Esmonde
Ontario's sex-trade law makes sense
Updated: April, 15, 2012, 6:52 AM
http://www.buffalonews.com/city/columns/donn-esmonde/article811868.ece

“It happened years ago, but the images are etched in her mind. Julie Grant was driven to a cottage near Toronto with another escort for a “date” with two guys. Once inside, she went to the bathroom to freshen up. Hearing a crash, she came out and saw one of the men with his hand around her friend’s neck, pinning her against the wall, her feet off of the ground.”
 
Interesting story in today's NYPost, Fred Dicker column, as well as other sites. Do a google for a TITUS TAGGART. He is a NYS Trooper assigned out of Buffalo, NY. He, and two other troopers have been suspended, or even arrested for their part in a prostitution ring.

One of the 4 Gilgo victims came from Buffalo to LI to meet a customer.

We know that the Babylon victim and the victim that left the Holiday Inn both left without taking a cell phone while engaging in the most dangerous profession known to man.

Why did those gals do that? What made them feel they were so safe that they could do that?

Think about how you feel when you drive off and realize you left your phone behind. You feel 'naked' and vulnerable without it.

I have reason to believe that this same game of cops pn laying with hookers is going on in Long Island.
 
Has anyone been able to find out where Melissa danced?
Was it a club or did she do outcall dances?

I feel there is something about Melissa. He took an unusual interest in her as evidenced by the phone calls. He would have access to some of the other girl's phones, yet no calls were made that we know of.

I think it's possible he had more of a thing for her - it may be worthwhile to look into.

if she worked at a club, was there any customers that took an extraordinary liking to her? Would anyone be able to identify or describe anyone?

If she did out call (private parties) - did anyone request her more than once? Did she work with anyone that may have witnessed anuone with a special attachment to her?

I haven't seen anyone consider these possibilities on WS or anywhere - but maybe someone has looked into it and not mentioned it.....
 
Has anyone been able to find out where Melissa danced?
Was it a club or did she do outcall dances?

I feel there is something about Melissa. He took an unusual interest in her as evidenced by the phone calls. He would have access to some of the other girl's phones, yet no calls were made that we know of.

I think it's possible he had more of a thing for her - it may be worthwhile to look into.

if she worked at a club, was there any customers that took an extraordinary liking to her? Would anyone be able to identify or describe anyone?

If she did out call (private parties) - did anyone request her more than once? Did she work with anyone that may have witnessed anuone with a special attachment to her?

I haven't seen anyone consider these possibilities on WS or anywhere - but maybe someone has looked into it and not mentioned it.....

True. Or maybe he's just a complete psychopath that managed to get some information out of Melissa before he killed her and used it later on when he was bored via the phone calls to the sister. Who knows? It's trying to rationalize the irrational.
 
Has anyone been able to find out where Melissa danced?
Was it a club or did she do outcall dances?

I feel there is something about Melissa. He took an unusual interest in her as evidenced by the phone calls. He would have access to some of the other girl's phones, yet no calls were made that we know of.

I think it's possible he had more of a thing for her - it may be worthwhile to look into.

if she worked at a club, was there any customers that took an extraordinary liking to her? Would anyone be able to identify or describe anyone?

If she did out call (private parties) - did anyone request her more than once? Did she work with anyone that may have witnessed anuone with a special attachment to her?

I haven't seen anyone consider these possibilities on WS or anywhere - but maybe someone has looked into it and not mentioned it.....

There is no information that Melissa ever actually worked as an exotic dancer. This is what she told her family rather than telling them she was an escort. That way she was able to explain how she was making so much money.

I don't think there is any evidence that the SK had a "thing" for Melissa. He just liked to "play telephone" with the victims families. When a newspaper exposed the calls, he stopped his phone games. Had the newspaper not tipped the SK off he would have continued to taunt other victim's families. IMO.

So to answer your other questions, we did not explore her regular strip club customers because there weren't any. There is very little information about her and none about how she ended up dead on Long Island.
 


I´m just posting what is in that link due to that I belive it is good information:

The GB4 and Shannan Gilbert-Connecting the dots[/url]

Originally Posted by Redbird :
According to the Manhattan district attorney's office, Barthelemy was arrested on Sept. 12, 2008, at Sixth Avenue and West 46th Street on suspicion of prostitution. In April 2009, she pleaded guilty to attempted prostitution, a misdemeanor, and was sentenced to five days of community service.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/f...1.2633910?qr=1

MrsPC posted (I, Theforeigner, have just corrected the date of MB's arrest and rearranged a bit so it's easier to compare, hope that is ok mrsPC :)):
I'm sure this has probably been pointed out before but I couldn't find a post if it was...

Okay -
Sep 12, 2008 Barthelemy arrest f. prostitution at 6th & W 46th in Manhattan.
July 10, 2009 Brainard-Barnes at Super8 Motel, at 59 W 46th in Manhattan (between 5th & 6th)

So there's definitely a link between their locations in Manhattan

So 10 months between Barthelemy was arrested and Brainard-Barnes disappeard, both from almost the same location.

The distance between MB and MBB's locations are: 279 ft

Here I add a map of Melissa B and Maureen BB's locations (incl the bus st MBB called from) + two locations whereto LE traced some of the phone calls the suspected killer made to Melissas little sister in July/Aug 2009.

ATLANTICMelissaandMaureenatsamelocationinManhttan.jpg
 
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