What do Burke's interviews tell us?

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  1. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Active Member

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    What's everyone's opinions on this interview? Does anything stand out?
    I'll post what I find interesting in my next post so this one doesn't get too long
     
  2. Leomoon80

    Leomoon80 Well-Known Member

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    Ice water runs in his veins?
     
  3. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Active Member

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    Throughout the interview, I got the impression that Burke was terrified to let any information about his sister's death out. His answers are very short; he seemed to be very cautious to not say anything wrong.

    One answer that stands out to me is when Burke is asked, "What is the one thing you like best about your mom?" He replies, "She gives me hugs and kisses." Does anyone else find this a strange answer for an (almost) 10-year-old boy? Hugs and kisses are a huge contrast from going into a rage and killing your 6-year-old daughter.

    Why does Burke show no emotions until he asked, "What do you think happened to JonBenet?"

    The "took a knife out or hit her on the head" is very interesting...

    "Where did you find her body?" is a strange question. Why not ask, "Who did it?" Unless you already know.

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    Burke's behavior when he is asked about molestation is also very interesting. His behavior doesn't seem like the behavior a child who doesn't have past experiences with sexual abuse would display.
     
  4. Agatha_C

    Agatha_C New Member

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    My first thought is outrage.. How did this childs private meeting with a Doctor, become public knowledge. I dont care how involved I am in this case or how many questions I want answers too... His time, in that interview should have remained private/sealed...

    My next thought would is this.... Because of the above outrage, I have to wonder at its validity. Where was this first published, is what I would like know?

    Eileen, my outrage is at the leaking of this Doctors visit and not at you for posting it and using for topic. I just wanted you to know, Im not attacking you at all...

    If this is indeed a true and accurate accounting of what really transpired then I am sick to my stomach.... If this is true, BR was a child in need of serious help... It further bolsters my belief that this family had deep dark secrets and more was happening in that home then any of us will ever know....

    I pray he received the help that he needed and one day he'll do the right thing, and set the record straight.
     
  5. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Active Member

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    The interview is from the Bonita Papers:

    The information about Burke's interview from the Bonita Papers is also paraphrased in PMPT.

    You can read the complete Bonita Papers here: http://www.acandyrose.com/1999-BonitaPapers.htm
     
  6. SunnieRN

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    This has been discussed in prior threads. I never, until Agatha said it, thought about patient client confidentiality. My understanding is this woman has exclusive information due to the position she held.

    If this is accurate, there are several things that stand out.

    First and foremost the line about secrets. What secret is he unwilling to talk about? I have not heard too many lines like this from a 10 year old boy. Mostly, I think they would either tell a secret or be savvy enough not to say anything to even elude to the idea of a secret.

    Second, he obviously knows enough of what happened to NOT be fearful, not be concerned for his own safety and not be curious about what happened to JonBenet or by whom. All highly unusual since Patsy said she never spoke to Burke about what happened.

    Thirdly, the reaction to questions regarding 'touching' is also very telling, as any reaction is abnormal in my mind.

    I also wonder why he didn't put JonBenet in the family picture.
     
  7. Agatha_C

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    Thanks Eileen? Great topic by the way. I just feel so sorry for the R children and what life must truly have been like, if this report was accurate and if RDI is right (We are of course, but one must agree that until its stated as fact, theories remain just that....

    Look at ICA, we know she is guilty, and yet she isnt.... :maddening:
     
  8. Agatha_C

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    You are a wise owl Sunnie Girl....
     
  9. Cracka*Jaxx

    Cracka*Jaxx Well-Known Member

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    These two things stick out for me. Though I do not have children, it seems to me that a 10 year old boy would not appreciate hugs and kisses from anyone, especially his mother. And I find it chilling that he did not include his sister in the drawing of his family.

    I didn't follow this case as closely as I followed Casey Anthony, but all along I suspected that Burke might have something to do with the murder. The quotes seem to indicate that he wanted more attention from his parents. He saw his father as working all the time and his mother as being 'small', which may indicate she was only a small part of Burke's life.

    I know that Burke was supposedly ruled out as a suspect, but I'm still not convinced. I'll have to do more research, but from what I understand he had the opportunity and now it's looking like he might have had a motive as well.
     
  10. Leomoon80

    Leomoon80 Well-Known Member

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    on the link provided, called the "Bonita Papers" under "FOLLOW UP" heading:
    http://www.acandyrose.com/1999-BonitaPapers.htm


    There is a line which says, that Patsy admitted writing the Practice (Ransom) Note
    for an "innocent purpose"

    I don't get it, WHY, what kind of innocent purpose could this possibly be? (logic tells me this is b.s. makes no sense, doesn't pass the smell test)
     
  11. SunnieRN

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    Iam wise enough to learn from my friends, who are much wiser than I!!:seeya:

    You always bring the important questions to the forefront Agatha.

    Eileen, when I look at the family dynamics concerning the R's, Burke is an unknown. I have no idea if his behaviors in this session are normal for him, which would be scary, or if he was 'rehearsed and scripted' to give the answers that Patsy thought were 'right'. Either way, he is not like most typical children in his responses, if this is accurate. Glad you started the thread so this can be revisited.
     
  12. SunnieRN

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    Nice to meet you!!:seeya: I have often thought that Burke either is involved in the case, or knows exactly what happened. Mostly due to the type of chronic abuse that JonBenet went through and the fact that he hit JonBenet with a golf club one time. I hope you keep posting!
     
  13. RammerJammer

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    I lurk around the JBR site quite often but seldom comment, though I have great interest in this case. We moved to Co. right after JBR's death and I have always thought a RDI with particular focus on Burke. Interesting reading and insights here.
     
  14. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Active Member

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    Linda Wilcox, former housekeeper for the Ramseys, gave an interview where she revealed some interesting things about the family dynamic:

    ETA: Linda stopped working for the Ramseys on September 4, 1995. JonBenet was still a brunette, and had only been in one pageant up to that point.
     
  15. DeeDee249

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    The phrase "oohing and aahing over her" is not something I'd expect a boy that age to say. That is adult phraseology.
     
  16. Cracka*Jaxx

    Cracka*Jaxx Well-Known Member

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    OMG, I had no idea that Patsy was having JonBenet's hair colored at such a young age!
     
  17. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Active Member

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    Yep, JonBenet was born a brunette. In a September 1995 photoshoot, she had brown hair, but in a late 1995 pageant, she was a blonde.

    September 1995 photoshoot:

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    September 1996:

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    Source: http://candycane121.webs.com/

    There's a big difference between those two pictures. I'm not just talking about JonBenet's physical appearance, but the way she is responding to the camera has also changed drastically. The expression on her face in the 1996 picture is not appropriate at all for a 6-year-old.

    Linda said that JonBenet had become Patsy's obsession in September 1995. I can't imagine what it was like during December 1996.
     
  18. Chris_Texas

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    On January 8, John and Patsy took Burke to the Child Advocacy Center in Niwot, Colorado... to be interviewed by Dr. Suzanne Bernard, a specialist in child psychology....When left alone with the psychologist,

    How is any information about this interview available?

    Burke appeared to be at ease and even told the doctor that be felt safe, even though he did say that he had not wanted to come that day! Dr. Bernhard thought it was unusual for this child to feel safe. "People in this entire town didn't feel safe with the concept that there was someone running around that could be snatching children, and this was his own sister and happened in his own home. Generally speaking, a child who goes through this kind of trauma, where a sibling or a family member has been killed, they don’t feel safe.

    What is the relationship between Burke's displeasure at being forced to meet this lady and his feelings of comfort and / or safety once there.

    Even assuming that there were follow-up questions concerning Burke's fears about a killer running loose in Boulder, it hardly seems surprising or inexplicable to me that Burke would not communicate any concerns he might have to this woman he had no interest in meeting in the first place.

    Further, why would anyone assume that Burke's fear level at this woman's office was any measure of his discomfort at home -- or rather, at his NEW home as he was not living in the murder home at this time, and so far as I know never crossed the threshold again.

    Burke described his father as quiet and that he was "always at work", and that his mother "worked as a mom'. The thing he liked most about his mom was that she gave him lots of hugs and kisses, and the thing he liked most about his dad were "planes".

    Lots of hugs and kisses? Is this guy ten or two?

    Throughout the interview he showed little warmth towards his family, but at the same time was very protective of them.

    Considering the situation this is hardly suspicious.

    Dr. Bernhard explained that most children in interviews will discuss things about the family that angers them even if they love them, but Burke appeared to have difficulty in opening up about his family, similar to children who can't say things, because they feel that there are some things they shouldn't say.

    Again, this was a woman Burke had no interest in seeing. Nor, with this recent murder, is it surprising that Burke would have ZERO interest in sharing family conflicts with this woman.

    Social Services had previously provided Dr. Bernhard with some history on Burke which indicated an ongoing bedwetting problem, but Burke denied this saying that it happened a long time ago. Children are usually honest about this in interviews, and Dr. Bernhard wondered why Burke was not.

    I think the answer to this is found in the first paragraph. Burke did not want to be there at all, and he clearly did not want to discuss his bet wetting with this stranger.

    Burke displayed an enormous amount of lack of emotion, almost to the point of indifference, which Dr. Bernard explained may be attributed to shock

    The kid just lost his sister and his home, and he certainly had to know or suspect what happened that night.

    When asked “How have things been since your only sister died?”, Burke responded, “It’s been okay.”

    What else would you expect from a ten year old BOY in shock and denial? Of course he is gonna say, "It's been okay." Adults say the same thing.

    And when asked if he missed her, he said, “Yep.” Burke continuously told Dr. Bernhard that he tried to forget about things and just play his Nintendo.

    Seems reasonable to me.

    'When asked to draw a picture of his family, he drew a father figure who was distanced from Burke, a mother figure which was the smallest figure in the picture, and JonBenet was not in the picture at all. Dr. Bernhard interpreted the drawing to suggest that Burke felt his father was not emotionally available to him and that his mother was insignificant and did not have a great deal of power.

    I interpret this as a doctor reading a whole lot into very very little.

    Dr. Bernhard thought it extremely abnormal that JonBenet was not in the family picture at all, since her heath had occurred only 13 days prior. Most children continue to include deceased siblings in family drawings years after the death because it is too devastating for them to think about the loss.

    This does seem a bit odd -- though I am hesitant to read as much into it as the good dctor apparently does.

    Burke also told Dr. Bernhard that he was “getting on with his life.”, another very abnormal reaction for a child who had so recently lost his sibling.

    Wasn't this a standard Ramsey response?

    When specifically discussing the crime, he related that he did not hear any noises that night and that he was asleep,

    If this is ALL he had to say it is, to me, one of the more interesting comments. I would expect a ten year old OR an adult to launch into a narrative of what they experienced, regardless of when those experiences began.

    He said that the only thing he asked his dad was "where did you find her body", a highly unusual query from a child considering the possible questions a child might ask about the death of a sibling.

    I am not sure what, if anything, I make out of this.

    Dr. Bernhard felt there needed to be more follow-up with Burke in the discussion of sexual contact. The only show of emotion by Burke, other than the irritation with the questions about the actual crime, was when Dr. Bernhard began to ask about uncomfortable touching. Burke picked up a board game and put it on his head an action indicating anxiety or discomfort with these types of questions and that there was more that he was not telling her. Dr. Bernhard asked Burke if he had any secrets, and he said, “probably, if I did, I wouldn't tell you, because then it wouldn’t be a secret

    This is interesting, but in what way. Is there some suggestion here that Burke, like his sister, had suffered from previous abuse?
     
  19. Chris_Texas

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    Respectfully, I disagree. In a typical photoshoot the photographer takes dozens or even hundreds of images. The pose and expression you see here is a fraction of a second in time, captured with the magic of film, and selected by mom. For all you know JB was giggling like a lune a half second before and/or after this shot was taken. If the image is in some way sexually suggestive, the natural follow up question would be "Suggestive of WHAT, exactly?" and "What possible knowlege could JB have of this -- even assuming she was molested?"
     
  20. SunnieRN

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    So, given your last sentence, I would think that would make you wonder more about the rest of his statements. Maybe there is much more to Burke Ramsey and the solving of JonBenets death, than anyone thinks.
     

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