Identified! WI - Delafield, WhtMale, UP7632, car stolen, lighter, Sep'77 - John Lindberg Scott

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There is this Facebook Group called "Waukegan Revisited" and there seems to be many posts reminiscing on the good ol days. People with lots of knowledge on the town, the landmarks, and the people. I've been so tempted to stir up interest in this case and see if anyone from that page has any leads or theories! The only thing is, I don't want to disrespect the DNA test results and jump the gun seeking more leads if the results are right around the corner! Did the possible sister give any insight as to why he may have been estranged? Oh and I just now ran into this article about Gaede's! Pretty cool! To think JDD probably opened that very same door.

Harold Gaede, longtime Wheaton clothier who fitted generations of teens for formal dances, dies
 
namstache said:
Hi Quartzdice! I say keep seeking leads until the day we get a positive match.
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I haven't read all 30 or so pages of this thread but I see you're all waiting on a DNA result. Good luck for positive results! :D

Meanwhile as the wait goes on, perhaps you'll provide feedback on Mr. Harp as a match to UP7632. Maybe it'll all be for naught, but if the current comparison is negative, we may be ready to submit yet another potential. I'll respond to your questions and comments. ​


UID 7632 – Delafield, Wisconsin – September 14, 1977​
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
WI - WI - Delafield, WhtMale UP7632, 17-30, MVA, car stolen in Gurnee, IL, Sep'77


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Michael Daniel Harp

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Michael Daniel Harp
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Male White / Caucasian. Male White / Caucasian
Date of Last Contact. March 23, 1977. Date Found – September 14, 1977 (6 mos.)
Missing From. Las Cruces, New Mexico UID - Delafield, Wisconsin.
Vehicle had been stolen from Gurnee, Illinois.
Missing Age. 23 Years. UID 17 – 25yo

Physical Description
Height and Weight - 6’0, 160 pounds – 6′ 0″(72 inches) 155 lbs – both estimated
Hair Color. Brown. Brown
Head Hair Description. – Lt. Brown
Body Hair Description—
Facial Hair Description—
Left Eye Color. – Hazel Hazel
Right Eye Color. – Hazel
Eye Description –
Eyes appear dark in color due to large pupils, legally blind with vision of 20-200.

Scar/mark – Scar on index finger; Scar on abdomen
UID – There is a an old scar on the dorsum (backside) of the right hand over the first metacarpal (thumb). There is a small scar on the upper, outer edge of the left patella (knee)

Circumstances –

Michael was last seen at a hospital located in the vicinity of the 2400 block of S. Telshor Blvd. in Las Cruces, NM. He was sighted a short time later hitchhiking along I-25 near the hospital. He was possibly picked up by a truck driver who indicated he dropped Michael off S. of Albuquerque, NM.

Date of Last Contact. March 23, 1977. Date Found – September 14, 1977
Last Known Location Map – Location. Las Cruces, New Mexico
UID – Town of Delafield, Wisconsin. Vehicle had been stolen from Gurnee, Illinois.

2 images – 34 comparisons.

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Yaya's opiniins/comments/questions below -

Convincing features/facts -

1. Mole comparison
2. Similar facial structure
3. Adams apple
4. All desc. features closely match
5. Scar on thumb vs on index - entry error ?
- First finger-some ppl 1st finger is index others it's thumb?
6. Left a hospital. Might explain clothing on UID. I read a few msgs in this thread about possinly leaving prison or some other similar facility.

Troubling/mysterious information

1. Why Chicago, Illinois? Job? What was in Wisconsin? Hitchhiked from NM to IL? Why?
2. Was he born and raised in AZ? Lived other places? Transient lifestyle?
3. Criminal record?
4.Who and where are family?
5. Where was he doing what for 6 months interval?
6.John/Lauri connection?
7. Surgical scar on abdomen?
8. Dentures? Michael does have some issues with his teeth (imo). Could he have gotten them pulled/knocked out? Where did he get dental work? Paid for how?


Notes on image research -

1. Image – Belmont Kezli
It’s an intersection in Chicago

2. Image – Kemmerly coin (connection to NM area?)
Kemmerly Real Estate Tucson, AZ

3. Image – Johnny’s Mobile Home Sales
Des Plaines, IL – Des Plaines il

4. Image – Employment Office
2860 n lincoln- Pleasant Plains, IL

5. Image. – Riddell Inc.
Chicago, IL - Apartments or business complex


https://www.namus.gov/api/CaseSets/NamUs/UnidentifiedPersons/Cases/7632/Images/7032/Original
NamUs Contacts -

Contact for Michael -

Deming Police Department 700 E Pine St Deming, New Mexico 88030
Main Phone(575) 546-3011
Agency Case Number. 02240514

Contact for UID –

#1. Christina Rarick, Detective
Waukesha County Sheriff’s Department
515 West Moreland Boulevard
Waukesha, Wisconsin 53188
Waukesha County
Main Phone. (262) 548-7122
Agency Case Number. 77-4962

#2. Michael Mudlitz, Detective
Waukesha County Sheriff’s Department
(262) 548-7122
Agency Case Number 77-4962

ETA more info.
 
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This is absolutely blowing my mind right now!!! At first I thought "nah doesn't really look like him" but as I really compared each feature I changed my tune. Now I wanna screen shot these and compare them to the post mortem photos. You may very well be onto something a lot of things line up! I'm embarrassed to admit this but last year I was so obsessed with this case it consumed me. Every night I would go through yearbooks in the Gurnee/Wheaton areas on classmates.com and look at every single HS boy that may have been in the age range at the time. I had 2 really close calls but when I searched for them on Facebook they were alive and well so I knew it wasn't JDD after all. I also never found a single Lauri in those yearbooks.

On a very exciting side note I read about a Rock County WI john doe missing since 1995 and legit the VERY next day I'm scrolling on my Facebook feed and WI Missing Persons Advocacy page had his posted picture right there and announced he has just gotten a dna match!!!! They haven't released his name yet but should next week I think. :)
 
Michael Harp is listed as legally blind. I'm not sure how limited 20/200 vision is, but I can't see someone being capable of driving without corrective lenses of some sort with such poor vision.
 
QuartzDice said:
This is absolutely blowing my mind right now!!! At first I thought "nah doesn't really look like him" but as I really compared each feature I changed my tune. Now I wanna screen shot these and compare them to the post mortem photos. You may very well be onto something a lot of things line up! I'm embarrassed to admit this but last year I was so obsessed with this case it consumed me. Every night I would go through yearbooks in the Gurnee/Wheaton areas on classmates.com and look at every single HS boy that may have been in the age range at the time. I had 2 really close calls but when I searched for them on Facebook they were alive and well so I knew it wasn't JDD after all. I also never found a single Lauri in those yearbooks.

On a very exciting side note I read about a Rock County WI john doe missing since 1995 and legit the VERY next day I'm scrolling on my Facebook feed and WI Missing Persons Advocacy page had his posted picture right there and announced he has just gotten a dna match!!!! They haven't released his name yet but should next week I think. :)
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BBM above -

I'm excited to hear that you've got an interest in this case. I've been looking into it for a while and like you, I'm beyond curious. Hopefully we'll get answers soon. ;)Have you done those comparisons yet? I'm curious as to your thoughts.

Any updates on the Rock County John Doe case? You've got me curious. :)
 
Alleykins said:
Michael Harp is listed as legally blind. I'm not sure how limited 20/200 vision is, but I can't see someone being capable of driving without corrective lenses of some sort with such poor vision.
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Well, now that's something I overlooked!:confused: Ugh, that certainly didn't factor into my analysis. :( I know nothing much about visual acuity and a person's driving abilities at various measurements. I suppose you just handed me my next topic with which to familiarize myself. If I find anything interesting I'll pass it along. Good catch, and thanks!;)
 
Alleykins said:
Michael Harp is listed as legally blind. I'm not sure how limited 20/200 vision is, but I can't see someone being capable of driving without corrective lenses of some sort with such poor vision.
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Based off of what I've read, having 20/200 vision is very limited. From this site:

"20/20 vision is considered "normal" vision, meaning you can read at 20 feet a letter that most human beings should be able to read at 20 feet.

Eye charts can be configured in various ways, but generally, if during an eye test you can read the big E at the top but none of the letters lower than that, your vision is considered 20/200. That means you can read at 20 feet a letter that people with "normal" vision can read at 200 feet. So at 20/200, your visual acuity is very poor."

So, based off of this information, it definitely would have been extremely hard for him to be driving, especially without correction.

JMO based off of online research.
 
natureaker said:
Based off of what I've read, having 20/200 vision is very limited. From this site:

"20/20 vision is considered "normal" vision, meaning you can read at 20 feet a letter that most human beings should be able to read at 20 feet.

Eye charts can be configured in various ways, but generally, if during an eye test you can read the big E at the top but none of the letters lower than that, your vision is considered 20/200. That means you can read at 20 feet a letter that people with "normal" vision can read at 200 feet. So at 20/200, your visual acuity is very poor."

So, based off of this information, it definitely would have been extremely hard for him to be driving, especially without correction.

JMO based off of online research.
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Thanks for researching this.
 
So I did a little, quick-study using just a few online resources. Here’s what I was able to determine (MOO & MUnderstandingO);)

According to the American Academy of Opthamology,

What Does 20/20 Vision Mean?

What Does 20/20 Vision Mean?
A person with 20/20 vision can see what an average individual can see on an eye chart when they are standing 20 feet away,” says Dr. McKinney, an ophthalmologist and glaucoma specialist at Eye Health Northwest in Oregon City, Ore.

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Dr. McKinney says that only about 35 percent of all adults have 20/20 visionwithout glasses, contact lenses or corrective surgery. With corrective measures, approximately 75 percent of adults have 20/20 vision. In almost every state, visual acuity of 20/40 or better is required for an unrestricted driver’s license. People are considered “legally blind” if their corrected vision (with eyeglasses or contacts) is 20/200 or worse.

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Outside the United States, vision is measured in meters instead of feet and the standard is expressed as “6/6.”

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Yaya’s PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT compliments of and authored by someone at the link above - Your visual acuity is measured as part of an eye exam. The American Academy of Ophthalmology recommends that you get a baseline eye examination at age 40, the time when early signs of disease or changes in vision may occur.

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So, if I understand this correctly it would be possible for SOME folks to drive while legally blind but only if a visual assistance device is able to help improve their vision to a certain standard set according to each state’s own laws. Given that states vary on their criteria for someone to qualify for a license based on vision, I pulled up info on New Mexico. I don't know if he was a legally registered resident there or just a visitor/patient in New Mexico. All I know is that it’s where he’s listed as having gone missing .

A list of all states. – https://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/drivers-license-examination/

https://drivinglaws.aaa.com/category/us-motor-laws/new-mexico/

New Mexico –
The MVD is responsible for establishing qualifications and administering examinations.

Applicants get no more than 3 chances to pass the examination within a period of 6 months from the date of the application.

All 1st-time applicants must pass a written test and a road test.

The MVD is required to test the eyesight of all applicants (20/40 visual acuity is required).

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Out of curiosity and because it came up on search results, here’s a Dr. somewhat nearby in our area. He seems to be advertising his ability to perform procedures using today’s technology to help some visually impaired people regain their ability to drive/live independently.

Patients with vision in the 20/200 range can many times be improved to 20/50 or better.


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Here are a couple of random ppl’s answers to a user’s question of whether they can drive with 20/200 vision. I thought these answers were pretty informative and that they might even be sincere enough to “take their word” for it. ;) Apparently a doctor can test a patient for and recommend various telescopic lenses called bioptics to assist with driving.

Legally blind can I drive?

1. The special glasses use telescopic lenses called bioptics. Only an eye doctor can tell you if they will work for you.

The rules vary by state. In New York State, the telescopic portion of the lens must correct to 20/40 with a binocular field of vision of 140 degrees. The rest of the lens must correct to 20/100 or better.

Legal blindness is 20/200 or worse in the better eye under the best correction, so it’s unlikely you can get to 20/100 or better.

2. First you need to talk to your eye doctor to see if you’re a good candidate for those types of lenses, and if he/she thinks it’s okay if you drive. Take this very seriously because you are not alone on the road.

With your eye doctor’s approval, IF you can pass the vision exam at the DMV, you SHOULD be able to get a license. You will likely have a stiplation on your license that limit how and where you can drive; i.e., you can’t drive at night, or you must be wearing lenses, and if you go outside of those stips, you can have your license revoked.

My mother in law is legally blind, but she drives just fine, even at night. Until she gets on the freeway. . . at 35 miles an hour. . . don’t do that.
Good luck.

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:) I was just a little girl waaaaaayyyyy back then. I’ve got no clue about science & technology’s offerings in ’76-’77 and I don’t know if I’m going to spend much time researching for answers. I know folks had glasses.:D Some even had what we called “coke bottle glasses”. Seriously that’s about all I know.

So again, no real answer as to whether Daniel could/would have been able to drive legally or illegally. (IMO) But this very quick research project did help raise a few questions for me to pose for us to bat around…

Did military veterans have access to visual aids/treatments? Would employment insurance back in the 70s pay for visual care or services?

I don’t necessarily think he kept a job for very long (hitchhiker, transient), but many companies back then provided darned good insurance coverage and I don’t think “waiting periods” were a huge concern. If required, it usually was for about 30-90 days. What about disability ins/medicare/medicaid? Do those types of plans cover this?

Furthermore, was he a law-abiding citizen or did he even care to follow laws? If this UID is him, couldmit be he was in a state of desperation the night he wrecked and died? Was he running from smokey bear precisely because he was driving unliscensed or with daytime only privileges? Again, where was he going? Why? Was he running because of prior crime(s) or because he was driving during restricted times? Then, maybe he couldn’t drive so it wasn’t him? How can we know? Did anyone do any research on his family, past employers, fiends, associates, or perhaps contact LE to inquire? If so, please share info or links.

I’m certainly not trying to ‘prove’ you or anyone else wrong. Rather I’m simply trying to dig under and turn over every rock we can find to solve this mystery. Imo, this UID deserves his name back and his family (if any alive) deserve answers. I’m not ready to walk away yet. I really am not 100% confident about Mr. Harp, not even close now that you threw a :eek: big wrench in my theory.:confused::D Having said that though, it’s been way too long that this case has been dragging on. Today’s technology should be able to provide some answers or new investigative paths to travel, I hope! All MOO.

Thanks for helping. I look forward to sharing more ideas. ;)
 
Yes, his fiends and his friends! :p

haha pls excuse my typos. :oops:
 
natureaker said:
Based off of what I've read, having 20/200 vision is very limited. From this site:

"20/20 vision is considered "normal" vision, meaning you can read at 20 feet a letter that most human beings should be able to read at 20 feet.

Eye charts can be configured in various ways, but generally, if during an eye test you can read the big E at the top but none of the letters lower than that, your vision is considered 20/200. That means you can read at 20 feet a letter that people with "normal" vision can read at 200 feet. So at 20/200, your visual acuity is very poor."

So, based off of this information, it definitely would have been extremely hard for him to be driving, especially without correction.

JMO based off of online research.
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Yes, thanks for researching and sharing your results!
 
Eight and a half months. Yesterday, the authorities were able to compare dna to a 23 year old man who tried to pass himself off as a missing 14 year old boy. Dna took a little more than 24 hours.

Why is this taking soooooooo long? Who is doing the comparing?
 
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