Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[ab01]

This vehicle is on camera somewhere in the vicinity during this timeframe, imo. Driver is not escaping the area without being on residential or commercial cameras, or the plate being hit by an LPR.

Maybe it wasn't a camera from Nancy's neighborhood, or a business just down the road, but a camera around the block.

LPRs are usually positioned on the top of utility poles. They read above-down the vegetation and landscape.

Neighborhood cams would just be a bonus.

I agree I think that's what has investigators stumped, They can't find evidence that NG and the perp left the area. But they also can't find any signs of NG in the immediate area.

 

[RedHaus]

I agree I think that's what has investigators stumped, They can't find evidence that NG and the perp left the area. But they also can't find any signs of NG in the immediate area.

But if NG was in a car trunk, SUV back hatch or in the back of a van, especially with AZ plates, in the middle of the night, how could LE possibly know which vehicle to focus on, without something they can trace to NG's house (tire tracks) or neighborhood (via neighbors' cameras)?

 

[RayVon]

I am wondering about the other night's SWAT operation that ended up with 2 drug arrests and an impounded Range Rover. Does anyone know if the two arrested are still in jail? Are either of them connected in any way to Nancy Guthrie?MOO

 

[VegasGirl35]

I agree I think that's what has investigators stumped, They can't find evidence that NG and the perp left the area. But they also can't find any signs of NG in the immediate area.

It's going to be wild if the kidnapper is hiding in plain sight and it turns out to be a neighbor. There was a case like that where I grew up. Teen girl went missing, exhaustive search. Turned out she was buried in her next door neighbor's basement the whole time. The guy had been questioned by police several times and never pinged their radar.

 

[aafromaa]

And if all of those possibilities were found to be true .. then what? What are you all implying? I keep seeing all these posts going in circles about this card but not seeing how it relates to the abduction of NG.
MOO

I wasn’t really intending to imply anything - was simply answering someone’s question. But I do still have questions about why a neighbor called APS which most people would call only if abuse or neglect was suspected. For me that’s why the card being there relates to this case at all. Did a neighbor see or hear something that caused them to suspect abuse or neglect? If so what? If a neighbor was concerned because they didn’t see her leave for the remote church service or perhaps had gone to her front door and saw the blood and couldn’t get her to answer the door it seems more likely they would call 911 and request a welfare check. Before the sheriff said the neighbor called the same day Nancy was reported missing, I just thought it might have been a visit triggered by the missing person report to offer support to the family. But when he said a neighbor called it in, I think the neighbor’s reason could be important to this case. Unfortunately, unless the neighbor speaks out, I don’t think we’ll ever learn what prompted the call since calls to APS are typically anonymous.

 

[MistyWaters]

I heard friend and I heard neighbor. So I just thought maybe friend and neighbor were the same person? And if it was the neighbor, maybe she called AG because she tried but the door was locked? Thats just a wild guess on my part.

I was just curious about the medication because, like I've recently seen others say, I was thinking along the lines that maybe she was in Mexico because it would be easy for them to get her the meds she needs without detection.

I thought about exactly that also, how easy it would be for NG medications to be purchased in Mexico, if that’s where she was taken.

https://www.seattlepi.com/news/what-to-know-about-the-investigation-into-nancy-a21355229

“Authorities have expressed concern about Nancy Guthrie’s health because she needs vital daily medicine. She is said to have a pacemaker and have dealt with high blood pressure and heart issues, according to sheriff’s dispatcher audio on broadcastify.com.”

 

[Puzzles8]

For those wondering (as I did) which video you watched of J (and his ring), go to post #26,253....

On page 1313.

JMO

 

[Charlot123]

Totally agree. What is the motive? Could it be a game to them? Like a catch me if you can situation? If so, why NG? Because it would garner a lot of media attention based on her daughter's occupation?

I still think that it is either a very young group or rather young/computer nerdy group. Our normal principles don’t apply to them. We think in terms of aims/consequences. What if there are vague aims and no consequences in mind? I mistyped “gaims” instead of “aims”, btw. Games… It reminds either a bad reality show, or TV miniseries on a budget or a group of remote gamers communicating via Discord. I think the last scenario applies the best, only communication is more concealed. Some things don’t change: no body or proof of life has been presented. Also, whoever is involved sticks to the same way of communication. JMO: something tragic happened initially and it was unexpected. Then, perhaps, the involved ones turned to their gaming bros to carry on. So there is some planning and understanding how not to get in more trouble. Whether the initially involved are far away of they live in their homes but perhaps go to high school, or college semester started, is unclear. They fly under the radar for some obvious reasons.

The “WTH?” feeling I personally get on checking the news of this case resembles the one on I had having watched two movies. One was “the Snowman” and the other, “the Bullet train”. (Both examples of perfect books senselessly transferred on the movie screen). But if I am not mistaken, in both cases the initial scenarios/screenplays/directors/actors were changed many times, so people who started them were not the ones left to finish. I know it is 100% true about the Snowman; perhaps “the Bullet train” had the components of trying to adapt a hilariously funny Japanese book to the foreign audience using non-Japanese actors.

So applying the same principle; a loosely connected group; the initial cast changed several times and the ones left to finish are totally different. Perhaps they are adapting slightly different traditions to the South of US; also, they are into gaming and improvising. They are rather smart, young, probably communicating via poorly traceable mode and as it seems, the initial goal is lost but they feel compelled to finish. Maybe they do feel ashamed to acknowledge that an old person was hurt or they are holding on to whatever feeling of control they initially experienced, but why we are following the case they don’t understand either.

I feel that this case is a major head-scratcher for everyone, LE, the federal agents, the profilers, etc. It’s like dealing with alien logic.

JMO.

 

[Deleted member 272706]

My eyes could be deceiving me, but does the backpack chest strap appear to be magnetically attracted to the contents of the suspect's pocket?

 

[RedHaus]

I am wondering about the other night's SWAT operation that ended up with 2 drug arrests and an impounded Range Rover. Does anyone know if the two arrested are still in jail? Are either of them connected in any way to Nancy Guthrie?MOO

All released that night, IRRC, pending further investigation. Nothing since...

 

[1.618]

Have you seen any Wi-Fi jammer watches that would be slim enough?

I wasn't, but a simple google search reveals that they exist and can be acquired. Wouldn't it jam the nest cam video though if a wifi jammer was on near it?

 

[1.618]

My eyes could be deceiving me, but does the backpack chest strap appear to be magnetically attracted to the contents of the suspect's pocket?

Yeah it does!

 

[ab01]

But if NG was in a car trunk, SUV back hatch or in the back of a van, especially with AZ plates, in the middle of the night, how could LE possibly know which vehicle to focus on, without something they can trace to NG's house (tire tracks) or neighborhood (neighbors' cameras)?

I think that's the point, that they couldn't track any vehicle enough to gleam any usable information. I think if they saw it on dark grainy footage they would likely be able to track it to a more lighted area of businesses and obtain clearer images etc. But maybe it turned off on a back road and that information is just not available. Definitely plausible. But also the information would not allow them to make a determination, so back to square one. jmo

 

[RayVon]

All released that night, IRRC, pending further investigation. Nothing since...

Thank you. I am curious to find what what their investigation turns up especially concerning the detained suspects. MOO

 

[hopeprayer]

For those wondering (as I did) which video you watched of J (and his ring), go to post #26,253....

Thank you! Someone mentioned that this was the SECOND video of J. Would anyone have the link to the first video?

 

[Puzzles8]

I wasn't, but a simple google search reveals that they exist and can be acquired. Wouldn't it jam the nest cam video though if a wifi jammer was on near it?

I just don't think the intruders were that sophisticated, to use a jammer. Their way of dealing with the front door NEST camera was to manhandle it off the base. But not until after the camera had already gotten a photo/video of one of the intruders.

JMO

 

[tbgo]

Perhaps the ransoms are real. We may be giving the perp too much credit when we point out that that’s not how you conduct a ransom - contacting TMZ and sending it days later. The perp could simply be dumb. Maybe now they’re trying to pretend that they’re not the mastermind but someone who knows where she is. It sounds really stupid but this person may just not be experienced. I guess it could really be kidnap for ransom. Maybe they didn’t have enough time to leave a note at the home or hadn’t thought of how to get in touch with the family, or the way they planned on doing it didn’t work out so they ended up contacting the media. A note could have left DNA so they had another way in mind. We may be making this case way more difficult than it needs to be. They may just not know what they’re doing. And BTW, know about bitcoin doesn’t equal intelligence. Most people under 45 know how it works and tons have used it. Many sites give you the option of paying with it.

 

[SaraSmile]

Yes, per the photos posted upthread showing the Nest mount beside the door, the camera was battery operated. Also note, the traditional doorbell is still intact in the photo. The battery operated Nest uses wifi, not bluetooth, and must be on-network to upload videos to the cloud. If for any reason wifi connection is lost, it will try to reconnect, but only to the network for which it has the password. SOME Nest cameras (see link) have local storage capacity to store videos for a relatively short time (like an hour) while wifi is lost and then will upload that to the cloud once the connection is restored. In this case, we know the camera was removed from the mount, source photos upthread. We don't know how it was removed. AB reported cameras were smashed, although others have indicated the camera was/was not recovered. If the camera was smashed, obviously the recording would cease. If just removed and set aside, it could continue recording. Another factor is how the camera was actually setup. Most record only after motion is detected, and many have zones established for motion detection so that things like passing cars are not always setting off a motion alarm. No information given AFAIK on the particular Nest model involved, clear statement on means it was 'disconnected', how it was setup, etc.

Learn how Nest cameras store recorded video - Google Nest Help

Important: Your camera needs to be connected to both Wi-Fi and the Nest service to upload video to the cloud. All Google Nest cameras and doorbells can securely upload and save video in the cloud. On

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Thank you! Very interesting!

Yes, We know about the cloud storage, thankfully LE got the video even though subscription
had lapsed. So grateful, Wonderful! Hopefully, they have a lot more images, video held back.

What else? I was wondering about the device itself, could it be tracked? ( Bluetooth), drone? just wondering? Something like the sniffer technology for the pacemaker?

Too bad they didn’t find the camera body, maybe find prints or DNA on it, on the plastic case.

So the camera is still not found, I could be behind. thanks.

JMO

 

[gbowski]

This is just my opinion.

I’m leaning toward thinking this perp had an idealistic goal/reason for his abduction of NG. In the current political climate, considering the uproar over ICE, I could see this being a guy who attacks a prominent white women in her home for the purpose of instilling fear, so people may be more willing to give up civil liberties in exchange for security.

I think the location which is diverse, may automatically make some feel that this crime had to be committed by the Cartel or other foreign individuals. This thought process would play right into the perps mindset.

I’m certainly not trying to argue the politics for or against any issue here, just a loose theory on why someone would do this. I know we all find this horrendous and want NG to be home.

 

[Deleted member 272706]

I wasn't, but a simple google search reveals that they exist and can be acquired. Wouldn't it jam the nest cam video though if a wifi jammer was on near it?

The smaller cheap ones I've seen only jam 2.4-2.5 GHz. That would jam most IOT devices, but the Nest can also connect on 5 GHz.

From a very cursory search, jammers that also do 5 GHz (and beyond) are bulkier with multiple antennae.