17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #8

[flourish]

About to go out to eat with my awesome in-laws. My thoughts before I go (all my opinion and my opinion only, your opinion may vary):

• If it is verified that Spike Lee tweeted anyone's personal address, he needs to be accountable for that. IMO, he should pay for a long 5-star hotel stay, all expenses paid, for that couple whose address was tweeted. He should also pay for personal security for them until they deem it unnecessary. IMO
• I don't care what TM tweeted or didn't tweet or had tweeted to him or not. Unless it is verified that he was involved in a violent encounter, I find it abhorrent to act as if it is fact. IMO
• George Zimmerman should have stayed in his *^&#^@%!&#()7%*$ing car. No one was in mortal danger from the situation until he left his car. IMO
• Whether or not TM ran or didn't run or ran the wrong way or too slow or too fast or too girly or too evading-like or whatever, doesn't have any bearing on this case that I can see except to blame the victim. Shameful. IMO
• Joe Oliver needs to go home and be quiet. He's not helping anyone. IMO. I've had a gut feeling, before, Mr. Oliver, and the one I'm having right now is that you are a media-hound. IMO

Off to lunch. Look forward to catching up later.
:seeya:

 

[HiHater]

this is my entire point, people act like GZ actively sought out Martin just to shoot and kill him. we don't know if TM threatened him or not etc.

there is much more to the story than is being told. it's a witch hunt against GZ and it's getting out of hand.

Asking for a complete, thorough, and fair investigation and/or demanding the arrest of a killer is hardly a witch hunt.

JMO MOO IMO

 

[LambChop]

I thought this forum was victim friendly?


~ Excuse typos. I'm on my iPhone! ~

We can't figure out who was really the victim. Process of elimination but it's getting kinda hairy in here. You would think it was obvious but many disagree. jmo

 

[Kimberlyd125]

This has turned into a racial case because race baiters have found it to be politically beneficial to do so.

Goodle the new "<modsnip>" shirts with GZ's pic on them. Still can't even get over the fact that he isn't white.

It is RIDICULOUS. These people don't care about TM, they care about themselves.

It's revolting.

Great post. ITA

 

[LolaMoon08]

They took his gun but have not revoked his license to carry and he was trying to find a new gun according to his friend I believe.

Because he had to resume his duty as the "Neighborhood Watch Captain." :banghead:

Anyone who thinks that that is normal behavior?? I just don't know? He had just killed someone and he wants to go out and purchase another gun and go right back to work? :banghead:

 

[tlcya]

About to go out to eat with my awesome in-laws. My thoughts before I go (all my opinion and my opinion only, your opinion may vary):

• If it is verified that Spike Lee tweeted anyone's personal address, he needs to be accountable for that. IMO, he should pay for a long 5-star hotel stay, all expenses paid, for that couple whose address was tweeted. He should also pay for personal security for them until they deem it unnecessary. IMO
• I don't care what TM tweeted or didn't tweet or had tweeted to him or not. Unless it is verified that he was involved in a violent encounter, I find it abhorrent to act as if it is fact. IMO
• George Zimmerman should have stayed in his *^&#^@%!&#()7%*$ing car. No one was in mortal danger from the situation until he left his car. IMO
• Whether or not TM ran or didn't run or ran the wrong way or too slow or too fast or too girly or too evading-like or whatever, doesn't have any bearing on this case that I can see except to blame the victim. Shameful. IMO
• Joe Oliver needs to go home and be quiet. He's not helping anyone. IMO. I've had a gut feeling, before, Mr. Oliver, and the one I'm having right now is that you are a media-hound. IMO

Off to lunch. Look forward to catching up later.
:seeya:

:goodpost: enjoy your lunch

 

[rossva]

Actually, if proven he did use a racial slur, ZIMMERMAN could be accused of a hate crime.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92644&page=1

Was Racial Slur Anger or Hate Crime?

no one denies his right to say whatever he chooses, and he is not going to be arrested for what he said, even if it is the rankest of racial slurrs

But, when you make a racial slur on the phone when you are talking with LE, you really should know full well that those calls are recorded, and when after making a racial slur against a specific group of Americans a 17yr old boy of that ethnicity ends up dead, shot by your gun, you should be aware that people are going to imply motives based on the racial slur and the result of your actions that night.

Has nothing to do with freedom of speech...

 

[w1df10wr]

How hard was it raining?

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/tra...timeline-leaves-many-unanswered-questions.php - in the first 20 seconds of the video, the speaker says it was raining lightly at the time.

Maybe this was covered in another thread and I missed it. Had it been raining all afternoon? Did the rain start as TM got back to the complex?

 

[tambo]

You keep assuming as fact you know what he said. Can you link to any MSM sources that have established 100%, with 0 doubt, Zimmerman did say a racial slur?

I guess this isn't actually a fact, but didn't his friend go on tv and say oh it was goon that he said instead of the c word...i take that to mean that he said something derogatory and as was discussed earlier,,, saying goon wouldn't make any sense since they weren't buddy's...jmo

 

[vlpate]

They took his gun but have not revoked his license to carry and he was trying to find a new gun according to his friend I believe.

Come on Doc, wouldn't you be looking for protection if the MILITANT black panthers had a 10,000 bounty on your head and Spike Lee is trying to find your address so he can tweet it to thousands of nutjobs looking to make some quick money?

I sure would, license to carry or not - I would definitely be packing major heat if I were him.

 

[octobermoon]

About to go out to eat with my awesome in-laws. My thoughts before I go (all my opinion and my opinion only, your opinion may vary):

• If it is verified that Spike Lee tweeted anyone's personal address, he needs to be accountable for that. IMO, he should pay for a long 5-star hotel stay, all expenses paid, for that couple whose address was tweeted. He should also pay for personal security for them until they deem it unnecessary. IMO
• I don't care what TM tweeted or didn't tweet or had tweeted to him or not. Unless it is verified that he was involved in a violent encounter, I find it abhorrent to act as if it is fact. IMO
• George Zimmerman should have stayed in his *^&#^@%!&#()7%*$ing car. No one was in mortal danger from the situation until he left his car. IMO
• Whether or not TM ran or didn't run or ran the wrong way or too slow or too fast or too girly or too evading-like or whatever, doesn't have any bearing on this case that I can see except to blame the victim. Shameful. IMO
• Joe Oliver needs to go home and be quiet. He's not helping anyone. IMO. I've had a gut feeling, before, Mr. Oliver, and the one I'm having right now is that you are a media-hound. IMO

Off to lunch. Look forward to catching up later.
:seeya:

great post you :rocker:

 

[Kimberlyd125]

If you KILL someone, you're a killer. No one is disputing the fact that GZ killed Trayvon, are they?

Same thing, if you lie---you're a liar. If you steal---you're a thief. I don't think there's anything wrong with calling Zimmerman a killer. He did, in fact, kill someone.

:moo: :twocents:

So, if a person kills someone in self defense, they should be referred to as a killer?

If someone breaks into my house and goes after my daughter, and I shoot them, it's perfectly ok for the world to refer to me as (not a victim) but "the killer".

I have a hard time with that.

Yes, going by the definition, I would be a killer, but referring to me as the killer is a bit different.

This case has so many unanswered questions.

If GZ shot that gun in self defense, I would never refer to him as a killer. I would refer to him as the vitim.

 

[Sensei]

this is my entire point, people act like GZ actively sought out Martin just to shoot and kill him. we don't know if TM threatened him or not etc.

there is much more to the story than is being told. it's a witch hunt against GZ and it's getting out of hand.

Whether TM threatened him or not, he had no right to shoot him unless he was in fear for his life, and the law specifies that it cannot just be fear, but that it must be the fear that a reasonable person would feel.

Unless the Special Prosecutor and her Investigators can find no reason that charges should be brought, then if he is charged he IS going to have to prove (and the burden is on him) that he was in fear for his life, and that under the totality of the circumstances his fear was reasonable and the deadly force he used was not excessive.

Nobody that I have seen aside from you has posted that George Zimmerman set out to just shoot and kill someone, but he DID make decisions that night very very poor decisions that led to a teenager being dead, and if charged he is going to have to show that it was in fact self defense because he was in fear. IMO JMHO and stuff

 

[tambo]

Its also the version supported by police and corroborated by witnesses. I personally don't buy into the racist conspiracy anti LE stuff. Given what we know, GZs account is the most likely scenario IMO.

except for the lead detective, apparently he doesn't believe any of the stories

 

[ThoughtFox]

We can't figure out who was really the victim. Process of elimination but it's getting kinda hairy in here. You would think it was obvious but many disagree. jmo

Sorry, but let's just think about who is dead and who had the gun and who was just walking home from the store. Seems simple to me.

Thank God we have the 911 tapes. I hope the Feds won't let those suddenly go "poof." Otherwise we would have a rewrite of recent history like the world has never seen. :twocents:.

ETA: This also seems to be a case of empathy failure. Let's think about what we would do if one of our children was walking down the public street and some guy they didn't know was following them in a van, then jumped out to pursue them. Walk in Trayvon's shoes for just a moment, okay. What have we taught all our kids about screaming and fighting back?

This may have been posted, but here it is anyway - blog about Trayvon with satellite pictures, etc.
http://marinadedave.com/journal/2012/3/22/the-tragedy-of-trayvon-martin.html

 

[LambChop]

No you don't. All it takes is one bad apple.

There are far to many unanswered questions in this case of things that were done so far that make no sense.

I'm also bothered by the fact that GZ, arrested in the past and has had charges against him in the past BUT when it gets to the judicial level the charges are dropped. No one seems to think that this isn't suspicious. I know people believe they have guardian angels but this one appears to be still earthbound. I think there is a lot under that lumpy rug. jmo

 

[Sensei]

Come on Doc, wouldn't you be looking for protection if the MILITANT black panthers had a 10,000 bounty on your head and Spike Lee is trying to find your address so he can tweet it to thousands of nutjobs looking to make some quick money?

I sure would, license to carry or not - I would definitely be packing major heat if I were him.

yeah great, let's give him another gun so he can blow away the UPS guy or an unfamiliar meter reader who is suspiciously lurking about in the bushes beside his house

 

[MarthaM]

Label much?

It's not a question of erroneous labeling. Zimmerman is the killer. He killed someone.

I think maybe you're confusing his being called a killer with something else that would be inaccurate:

If we called him a murderer right now, that would not be correct. We wouldn't truthfully know that yet, until evidence is presented to prove that. Right now, he's being accurately referred to as the killer.

Just like the crime itself. Right now we have a homicide. We don't know yet whether it's a murder or manslaughter or what, but it's still a homicide.

 

[suzihawk]

But, but, but...he is a killer. He killed someone. That is the definition of killer. He said " I shot him."Trayvon Marin lay dead of that gunshot wound. He was KILLED George Martin KILLED him. That does in fact make him a KILLER. It has not yet been determined if he can be held legally culpable of a crime in killing Trayvon Martin, but whether he did it is not in contention. I have not called George Martin a bigot, a racist or any of those things, although I may have opinions about the subjects. I do feel perfectly comfortable calling him what he has demonstrably been, a killer.
Moo

Thank you!!

 

[JBounds]

GZ was not following him. There is no evidence for this. That is a lie by the media. When the fact is GZ was told it was unnecessary to for him to follow TM and he said okay, then stayed on the line to tell police where to meet him. I've listened to the full 911 audio and this is the fact that it doesn't appear he was even remotely running after him at all.

The media coverage has been despicable to the extreme. TM was targeted by a white man GZ for wearing a a hoodie, started a fight and murdered him. Lie

GZ was not arrested because they're also racists or they used the stand your ground law. Another lie. (Actually he was arrested)

They painted Trayvon a saint and GZ a devil which is all irrelevant if they cared at all about accuracy. But instead they tell everyone how GZ is a racist pig while TM was some great kid with no suspicious behavior.