NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 #15

[Fabled Automatic]

It's hard to know if the conflicting stories have to do with memory or conflicting motives (meaning - is someone obscuring the truth)

In my experience, the first details/things a person says are usually the closest to the truth.

I truly feel sympathy for the Murray's, especially Fred. I can't imagine the pain he has had to live with, but after everything I've read and listened to, I believe that the first words he spoke to LE when he found out are the closest to the truth. He said he felt that Maura had gone to the White Mountains to cause herself harm.

It's the simplest explanation and many of the details support it. And the unfortunate reality is, a body that's likely been exposed to the elements for 20 + years in almost a million square acres of heavily forested land is very unlikely to ever be found.

 

[sony12]

It's hard to know if the conflicting stories have to do with memory or conflicting motives (meaning - is someone obscuring the truth)

Usually in situations like this it's just people viewing an incident through their own point of view. The internet has a habit of making things a lot more complicated than they actually are.

 

[Tarik]

I've always been of the belief that someone saw something that night but pretended they didn't, it's one of the rare albeit unpleasant explanations which would actually explain a lot. If you were to repeat the circumstances of her disappearance on that road 100 times, you would have one of the neighbors seeing something 99 out of 100 times.

 

[sony12]

I've always been of the belief that someone saw something that night but pretended they didn't, it's one of the rare albeit unpleasant explanations which would actually explain a lot. If you were to repeat the circumstances of her disappearance on that road 100 times, you would have one of the neighbors seeing something 99 out of 100 times.

It was dark out in the middle of winter. Maura wouldn't have been around her car for anymore than a few minutes. Chances are by the time people got around to checking out what was going on she had already left the vehicle. If there was anyone in the area that knew what happened the case likely would have been solved a long time ago.

 

[Tarik]

It was dark out in the middle of winter. Maura wouldn't have been around her car for anymore than a few minutes. Chances are by the time people got around to checking out what was going on she had already left the vehicle. If there was anyone in the area that knew what happened the case likely would have been solved a long time ago.

Not if they decided to keep quiet for whatever reason. In fact, a lot of cases would be solved ages ago if people just talked and said what they know or saw.

 

[Mr.Dandy]

Some people just don’t want to get involved. I have no idea why, but they just don’t. I deal with that kind of stuff in a regular basis. Nothing major like this, but still bad.

 

[sony12]

Not if they decided to keep quiet for whatever reason. In fact, a lot of cases would be solved ages ago if people just talked and said what they know or saw.

Well the fact that they have looked into the people living around the area and found absolutely nothing doesn't give much credence to the idea that people around the area of the crash were involved or know anything about it.

The idea that someone local was involved or that locals know what happened always has been hearsay and will always likely be hearsay.

 

[Tarik]

Well the fact that they have looked into the people living around the area and found absolutely nothing doesn't give much credence to the idea that people around the area of the crash were involved or know anything about it.

The idea that someone local was involved or that locals know what happened always has been hearsay and will always likely be hearsay.

It's not true that they found absolutely nothing, it's just that they haven't found enough so far. There's plenty of weird characters in that area, some of them have criminal records.

 

[annpats]

It's not true that they found absolutely nothing, it's just that they haven't found enough so far. There's plenty of weird characters in that area, some of them have criminal records.

But it doesn't mean they're involved.
This is why the Maura case is such a mystery, there are so many possibilities.
There are are number of people in her private life, her university life, mystery phone calls to/from her phone, strange goings on with several car crashes, personal mental breakdowns, police cover up or not, neighbors, not the neighbors, random passers-by...or not.
On and on and on.

 

[sony12]

It's not true that they found absolutely nothing, it's just that they haven't found enough so far. There's plenty of weird characters in that area, some of them have criminal records.

Most people who choose to live out in the boondocks do so because they like the privacy that it provides. And having a criminal past in no way means that they would kidnap and kill a girl. People are trying to connect dots that simply aren't meant to be connected. Maura is likely either in the woods or absolutely no where in the area

 

[Tarik]

But it doesn't mean they're involved.
This is why the Maura case is such a mystery, there are so many possibilities.
There are are number of people in her private life, her university life, mystery phone calls to/from her phone, strange goings on with several car crashes, personal mental breakdowns, police cover up or not, neighbors, not the neighbors, random passers-by...or not.
On and on and on.

I know it doesn't mean they are involved, that's not the point. You claimed that the police looked into the people living in the area and found absolutely nothing which is simply not true. One of the nearby residents at that time had a criminal record for statutory rape, it's not exactly a minor offense. I do agree that there are so many possibilities, none of which have in fact been ruled out completely at this point because everything is hearsay except the very few facts about the case that have been verified and learned since 2004. And I might add that none of those facts have led to any breakthrough in the case.

 

[annpats]

One of the nearby residents at that time had a criminal record for statutory rape, it's not exactly a minor offense

Rape is one thing, but kidnapping, killing and hiding a body is quite another.

And quite frankly if a police wiretap didn't lead to any arrests or breakthroughs, then I don't think anything will.....

 

[maamager]

Hi, wondering if anyone has any details with sources of BR's whereabouts from 2/07 through 2/10?
Thank you!

 

[Tarik]

Rape is one thing, but kidnapping, killing and hiding a body is quite another.

And quite frankly if a police wiretap didn't lead to any arrests or breakthroughs, then I don't think anything will.....

When you rape someone, you are potentially one bad day away from kidnapping and killing someone.

What police wiretap?

 

[fsngruv]

When you rape someone, you are potentially one bad day away from kidnapping and killing someone.

What police wiretap?

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From the post... On Episode 7 of Media Pressure, MM’s sister says (regarding the father’s lawsuit for the case records):
“Although we didn't gain access to most of the records, we did learn some valuable information as a result of the court case. We learned four polygraphs were administered, one wire tap was requested, grand jury subpoenas were issued, and police logs and dispatch records were withheld because they could pinpoint a suspect.”

 

[Tarik]

We know there was a police wiretap but we don't know what the wiretap was about or who it was about. What is even more concerning is that police logs and dispatch records were withheld and even redacted.

 

[Fabled Automatic]

We know there was a police wiretap but we don't know what the wiretap was about or who it was about. What is even more concerning is that police logs and dispatch records were withheld and even redacted.

As far as I'm aware, police logs from the evening of 02/09/04 between 6pm-ish and 11:50pm-ish were missing, not redacted. There were 4 calls that could have been of importance, according to John Smith and those 4 calls were accounted for in episode 23 of the Missing Maura Murray podcast.

The explanation was that when multiple calls come in about the same incident, they are sometimes amalgamated, possibly on a different set of logs. So, those 4 calls were multiples of different incidents that got joined to a different log. This was verified by KF on the show, who was able to find the alternative logs and confirm the timestamps of those calls and the nature of the calls.

Although he seems very reputable and well intentioned, I feel like this was an instance of John Smith placing too much emphasis on the inference of police misconduct, when it was just a harmless matter of protocol. But, I could be wrong of course.

 

[Tarik]

We don't really know. I would have to go back and listen but in his first appearance on the Missing Maura Murray podcast which was before episode 23, John Smith specifically said something was amiss about the calls that night and mentioned that 2 hours of logs and calls were missing.

 

[sony12]

John Smith always seemed to be just a little too much of a conspiracy theorist. His views were even too crazy for many of the people covering the case to deal with and had to distance themselves from him.

 

[Tarik]

John Smith always seemed to be just a little too much of a conspiracy theorist. His views were even too crazy for many of the people covering the case to deal with and had to distance themselves from him.

It's a little more complicated than that, those covering the case for the most part know a lot less about the case than he does and more importantly know northern New Hampshire way less than he does.