GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[ChatteringBirds]

This tragedy seems to be breaking news:

Police said they responded to King Road for a report of an unconscious person. When officers arrived, they “discovered four individuals who were deceased...”

4 Idaho college students killed in 'targeted attack,' no suspects in custody

Four University of Idaho students were found dead on Sunday, officials said.

abcnews.go.com

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Probable Cause Affidavit

Press photo album (compilation courtesy of WS member cujenn81)

Moscow ID Police Department Facebook page

City of Moscow re King Road Homicide

Media Guide to the Idaho Courts

Detectives are looking to develop context for the events and people involved in the four murders at 1122 King Rd in Moscow, Idaho. Anyone who observed notable behavior, has video surveillance, or can provide relevant information about these murders:

• Telephone: 208-883-7180
• Email: [email protected]
• Digital Media: fbi.gov/moscowidaho

 

[INfisherman]

I’m commenting from memory after watching the sentencing off & on throughout the day. Proud of everyone who spoke & cannot fathom their feelings or lives going forward. Their losses are immeasurable. Some stood out to me, but by no means lessens any words from anyone who spoke whether they are mentioned below or not.

The 2 surviving roommates were absolute soldiers for having the strength & courage to even be able to come forth with words to address,on,paper or in person, the monster who forever changed their lives. It’s done now. Please, live life, girls, as best you can. There’s an entire world out there & one of your fears will never see it again going forward.

All the parents, biological & blended, I’m sorry you have to speak of your children in the past tense. No parent should outlive their child. I didn’t know your kids personally but it seemed you did well as parents else they wouldn’t be in college if you hadn’t. Please don’t use this tragedy as a means to fall into your own darknesses, past or present. That lets the soulless one win.

Deetle Beetle, you did your Maddie proud, as any grandma would.

Ben, keep your head up & focus on living the life your daughter would want for you. Please don’t let other demons into your life, as hard as it may be. Happiness is there if you want to find it.

SG, specifically, you did me proud as a dad. You could have done your worst but instead did your best to make your baby girl proud. I can’t walk an inch in your shoes but would proudly walk miles after today. Thank you for sharing your thoughts throughout & giving everyone involved in bringing the admitted murderer to justice the credit they deserved. I know you wanted more, as did many, but in the end you did what was right.

Alivia, I don’t ever want to disagree with you. Hammer, meet nail. You said what most were feeling & it still most likely wasn’t enough.

Kim Kernodle, you possibly said the most in the fewest words possible. I applaud your willingness to forgive & listen. Likely the most admirable statement I heard today. I wish I had it in me to be like you.

Xana’s stepfather, Randy, he doesn’t deserve a second in the woods with you because you can’t teach a person how to care. He will be in hell, rest assured. I firmly believe that.

The creep just sat there, expressionless, as if this was all a bore to him, with his smirking attorney beside him. I’m sorry, but Elisa Massoth should never be allowed to sit in on another murder trial again. Whether intentional or not, I found her facial expressions to be more repulsive than that of her client throughout the entirety of the hearings, even before today. 100% unprofessional. It’s a murder trial for Christ’s sake - there’s no room for any smiles in the courtroom when any hearings are taking place, period. Such a disgrace to your profession, I am sorry. Shame on you.

AT & your team. Still convinced of his innocence? I didn’t think so. You knew all along. At least you had the courtesy & professionalism not to smirk, for all the good it did you in the end.

Lastly, thank you JH. Every trial judge could learn how it should be done from you. You were level headed & fair & absolutely said what needed to be said when it needed to be said. We asked for everything under the sun & you bore the weight of all the planets honorably.

 

[bajaflash]

Fair enough.
Maybe if he was calm and not panicking during his attack, he'd have done even more damage/disfiguration ?
Hate to type that.

My .02 is that the BK we saw today may have had the same flat and icily dead demeanor while he was murdering innocents that morning on King road, though.

I think alot of people who kill via stabbing dont realize how long it can take and how much energy. I'm sure he was jacked up on adrenaline, but realizing he immediately was attacking two could have been a huge shock.

 

[Chimera]

The families knew and said that the victims had been contacted by him. They have no reason to lie. I firmly believe that this was NOT a random killing. He targeted and stalked these girls.

Bbm.
I would like to read more about that.
Way back there was a YT vid that mentioned it .... however I can't find it now.
Imo.

 

[Vaderman]

New detail on DM hearing the male voice:

"[She] then heard a man's voice say 'It's OK I'm gonna help you.' [She] said it was weird because the statement was not in a nice way and the voice was one she had never heard before"
-- File: Supp 42_Redacted, pg. 2

I wonder if he said it frustratedly? Irritatedly? Certainly different from the reassuring "I'm gonna help you" I'd originally imagined.

 

[SteveP]

Working my way through the first batch of the document dump. I wonder why so much rage was especially directed at Kaylee. Page 23 of the general narrative says she was unrecognizable because her "facial structure was extremely damaged".

Learning this, and that Kaylee was stabbed more than 30 times, according to SG, it is easier for me to understand why he was so strongly against a plea arrangement that allowed the killer to live. JMO

 

[10ofRods]

I believe the reporter from NewsNation toured the Idaho prison and said that the prisoners can have a tv, iPad, and access to email. Pretty ridiculous.

From what I read on the prison site (IMSI) the iPads are not free. Nor are TV's standard (but maybe can be purchased?) They have really limited internet and email access.

In BK's category of prisoner, his correspondents need to be approved by a prison manager. If the people messaging him are not immediate family, the Director of the whole prison has to okay the communication (which would then include visiting the prisoner in a no touch setting).

It's interesting to find tours of IMSI online (or reviews). It's a grim place with few perks. Commissary expenditures above a certain amount must also be approved. Apparently, everyone who is not on Death Row works a solid 40 hour work week. The cells I saw in one video do not have windows or bars on the doors - the bars are behind a steel door, so the person inside cannot see out until they are allowed out of their cells. These are not considered "solitary" confinement as they come out of their cells under guard to get exercise in groups, eat meals, shower, etc.

Then, they have these teeny containment cells for really out of control prisoners (they're not supposed to keep them there for more than a certain amount of time, as written in Idaho's policies for prisons). Those are true solitary confinement. Really grim spaces. No iPads, no TV if prisoners are not well behaved. They can start accessing those perks after six months, IIRC.

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The policies are extensive and contained at that link. Not allowed to link to the youtubes, but IMSI has a few things one can find that show the inside.

 

[Luna20]

Nope! I will never believe that this was a random killing. Whether the victims knew him or not, he clearly stalked them. I believe the family members though who stated that he DID contact them- meaning Kaylee or Maddie. They were his targets. Xana and Ethan were collateral damage. He had a thing for blondes.

This essentially is where the rage came from imo. I believe that one of them ignored his advances or maybe two and he was out to kill. He couldn’t stand being rejected so he enacted revenge against them. In his sick mind he punished them with death.

 

[LadyL]

Closer and closer...

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who was that lady who cut the line and said she was a reporter wearing a zebra striped short skirt into the courthouse?

 

[NottaYutz]

People always say a stabbing is personal. If Kaylee was in fact stabbed 34 times as her dad says, there is no way you can convince me this was not targeted to those girls.

He may have been shocked and then livid to discover Kaylee in the bed. She was fighting him, and after they were both silenced he took out his rage on her face. We'll never know.

 

[arielilane]

Here is a public google drive link to all documents released so far:

Bryan Kohberger Investigation Docs - Google Drive

drive.google.com

Thank you, @whirrledpeas. Ive linked your post here too:

ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022 ****Media Thread**** NO DISCUSSION #2

 

[10ofRods]

Mods: How are we navigating the document dump here? I’m going through them and there are some very sensitive ones (I.e. autopsy reports and crime scene description) that may be out of the normal discussion rules here. Just wondering how, if at all, members are to discuss these and which ones should not be mentioned, if any.

Just feels a little gray area-ish to me and wanted to check.

Edited for grammar*

I think we've discussed autopsies in the past (and I'm not seeing autopsy results - just memos mentioning when the initial report was ready, and when updates were received, with small mentions of some of the contents elsewhere in memoranda. So, if you see the autopsy report, do give us the document number.

Typically, legally submitted documents on file with the courts (such as the ones that dropped today) are open for us to discuss. AFAIK.

 

[Bekind89]

I think alot of people who kill via stabbing dont realize how long it can take and how much energy. I'm sure he was jacked up on adrenaline, but realizing he immediately was attacking two could have been a huge shock.

I apologize for being morbid, but I can not figure out how the killer didn't cut/slice his own hand?

 

[Honeybirdette]

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He suffocated kaylee… and blunt force injuries means he could have physically beat her too. So did he put the knife down at some point? Or she managed to knock it out of his hand .. it also explains how the sheath could have been dropped.

 

[FoxxTraxx]

Dont forget there was another roommate (cant recall her name) that was not at the house at that time. She wanted to come back to King Rd because of a Vandals game that weekend, but her mother wanted her to stay at the house to housesit while they were on vacation.
Very lucky gal!

Also, Kaylee had already moved out and came back to King Rd to visit and show Maddie her new Range Rover.

You may be thinking of Ashlin Couch. She was a very close friend of Maddie's. Ashlin moved out of 1122 Kings Rd. in May 2022. She would have been at the house for a visit on the night of 11/12/22 but her mother's dogs needed a pet sitter that night so she left Moscow earlier than expected. Fate.

 

[whirrledpeas]

I think we've discussed autopsies in the past (and I'm not seeing autopsy results - just memos mentioning when the initial report was ready, and when updates were received, with small mentions of some of the contents elsewhere in memoranda. So, if you see the autopsy report, do give us the document number.

Typically, legally submitted documents on file with the courts (such as the ones that dropped today) are open for us to discuss. AFAIK.

I haven’t come across the full autopsy reports yet but SUPP 32 mentions cause of death for each victim, in moderate detail. I know there will be others that are quite graphic, I just haven’t come across them yet as I’m going through them one by one.

 

[Tricia]

Join Websleuths YouTube Live tonight at 10:30 P.M. Eastern as we discuss the victim impact statements in the Kohberger case.
How many of you stood up and yelled YES while pumping your fist when Kaylee's sister said "She would have kicked your F****** ***"? I did. I was alone in my house and my dogs looked at me weird but I sure did. It felt great to hear her say that.

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[Luna20]

Note: please disregard any typos as this was transcribed quickly from listening to the Goncalves family speak outside of the courthouse today. Kaylee's brother read his statement and really laid into Thompson's previous case history and how often he has offered up plea deals in similarly heinous cases. (They added even more cases to the small list of cases I shared of those already on WS).

"We won't stop now, we've crossed nearly every murder case prosecuted by Bill Thompson, including the killing of University of Idaho football player Eric McMillan. There is a clear and troubling pattern .Families are left feeling unheard. Justice is negotiated down through plea deals, and the public is left with unanswered questions. In the McMillan case, charges were reduced from first degree to second degree murder, prompting confusion and outrage from the victim's family and community. Same pattern emerged in the Silas Parks and John Lee cases, both of which prosecuted by Bill Thompson. Four capital eligible crimes were resolved through plea agreements, sidestepping trials and diminishing public accountability.

The most egregious of these crimes was the brutal killing of Whitney Parks, a young pregnant woman whose life was taken by her husband Silas Parks during a violent domestic assault. Whitney was only 22 years old when he was beaten and strangled in her own home, an act of cruelty that not only ended her life, but also the life of her unborn child. And yet despite the devastating nature of this crime, Bill Thompson reduced the charges from murder to voluntary manslaughter. Ultimately securing a sentence that allowed Parks the possibility of parole after just five years.

There was no trial, no full accounting of what Whitney endured, no acknowledgement in the legal outcomes of the child she was carrying. For Whitney's family, for anyone who believed that justice system should speak forcefully for victims, this wasn't justice. It was a deal, and it was like so many others under Thompson's watch.

It prioritized expedience over accountability. Now most predictably, we find ourselves reliving that pattern in the current case. Despite the magnitude and brutality of the crime, the prosecution chose to accept a plea deal behind closed doors, without trial, without ever consulting our family in any meaningful way.

In fact, we learned from the plea deal that had been finalized from an email from the prosecution team, not in person, not with warning, not with respect. That moment underscored what we feared all along, and that this case was following the same well-worn path toward expedience over justice. Sentencing once again fails to reflect the severity of the act, and the emotional fallout has landed again on the shoulders of the victim's families, who have been left out, unheard, and grieving.

Not just a horrific loss, but a system that continues to bypass them. The through line is undeniable. Whether it's 2004 or 2025..." (statement goes on but I am posting just a portion).
--

I am really sorry the actions of the prosecution team has made them feel this way.

It was rude when Thompson said that making a decision about the plea wasn’t about a popularity contest. It seems like he wanted to vindicate himself and I think that he cowardly used that time to do so. It wasn’t the time or place for him to defend himself.

He said that he informed each family of it but the Goncalves said he didn’t?

 

[Warwick7]

Gray Hughes in a video said there are new details and it's insane. I'm still working so I can't watch it. Has someone else have?

 

[Cindizzi]

I believe the reporter from NewsNation toured the Idaho prison and said that the prisoners can have a tv, iPad, and access to email. Pretty ridiculous.

Here’s Brian Entin’s report about that:

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