Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #7

[Vern]

Thanks for the video. Total chaos.

I liken it to the Prague Spring in 1968, when the Soviet Union entered Czechoslovakia and expected them to just rollover and would see their mission completed in 4 days. It took them 7+ months to accomplish.

Given the extreme bravery being exhibited by Ukrainians and their leadership this particular Spring - I expect this one will take even longer, and hopefully not at all. My oh my how the mighty Soviets have fallen (but still using the same kit!).

 

[sunshineray]

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 35 min ago
Mariupol city council: Russian occupiers forcibly move 6, 000 Mariupol residents to Russia. The local authorities in the besieged seaport said on March 24 that Russian occupiers are now forcibly moving more of its residents to Russia, confiscating their Ukrainian passports.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 10 min ago
Reuters: US to accept up to 100,000 Ukrainians fleeing Russian invasion. Reuters reported citing anonymous sources that the announcement is “forthcoming.”

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Not just for the US but for every NATO country accepting Ukraine refugees...

With so many refugees applying to come into countries, so many Ukrainians being abducted (for what reason actually, why not just march them into their war torn land to be shot or blown up?) AND their passports being stolen by the Russian government...beware of Russians impersonating Ukrainians for nefarious reasons to gain entrance. AJMO

If I sound woefully paranoid, I am because of the monsters doing harm.

 

[Vern]

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... (for what reason actually, why not just march them into their war torn land to be shot or blown up?) ...

RSBM

Unfortunately, that is happening as well.

Russia uses mobilized Donbas men as cannon fodder for war in Ukraine - Ukrainian intel | Euromaidan Press

Russia has started mass mobilization of men living in Russia-occupied part of Ukrainian Donbas, despite their lack of discipline and morale, for the war in Ukraine. According to these men, as Ukrainian Intelligence reports, Russian military command is exploiting them as so-called combat reconnaissance. The mobilized are sent to the line of collision to reveal the arrangement of firing positions of the Ukrainian army at the cost of their lives.

...

 

[worldwatcher]

Good twitter account to follow
https://twitter.com/timkmak
NPR Investigative Correspondent, in Ukraine. Author of 'MISFIRE: Inside the Downfall of the NRA' Covering politics/natsec/tech

 

[Charlot123]

This is from Meduza.io, a Latvian-based independent magazine, popular among Russian young democratic journalists. It gives the timeline of Shoigu's activity since the war began. Also, Shoigu is known for perfect PR and a lot of coverage of his movements...

Sergey Shoigu, where are you? Amid war against Ukraine, Russia’s defense minister hasn’t been seen in public for 12 days — Meduza

 

[dotr]

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[Bit of hope]

I liken it to the Prague Spring in 1968, when the Soviet Union entered Czechoslovakia and expected them to just rollover and would see their mission completed in 4 days. It took them 7+ months to accomplish.

Given the extreme bravery being exhibited by Ukrainians and their leadership this particular Spring - I expect this one will take even longer, and hopefully not at all. My oh my how the mighty Soviets have fallen (but still using the same kit!).

It's indeed mind boggling...in 2022....seeing and hearing!!! the clumsiness of the Russians. I'm so proud of the Ukrainians. Putin thought he could push them over in an instance...but they are far more equipped and smarter then he thought they are. So, and I feel so very sad about it....now deporting people from the Donbass area to camps...taking away their Ukrainian passports.....(we don't know who and how many) Putin has to go back to the middle ages warfare and is doing what the Nazis did....I'm very worried about what seems to be a bunch of not coordinated soldiers on the loose, without a chain of command....Who has the overall command over all the Russian forces/movements.

 

[sunshineray]

RSBM

Unfortunately, that is happening as well.

Russia uses mobilized Donbas men as cannon fodder for war in Ukraine - Ukrainian intel | Euromaidan Press

Yes it's inhuman and I'm sure they are either Ukrainian speaking or Ukrainian sympathizers. Out with the old and in with the new in Donbas regions. JMO

 

[sds71]

Marina Butina, the convicted Russian spy who tried to infiltrate conservative political groups in the US, is among the hundreds of Russian lawmakers facing new sanctions from the Biden administration.
The US Treasury announced on Thursday that 328 members of Russia's State Duma — the lower house of its parliament — will be sanctioned for supporting Russia's month-long war against Ukraine.
In addition to Russian lawmakers, dozens of defense companies and the CEO of its largest financial institution Sberbank are being targeted by the sanctions.

Maria Butina, the convicted Russian spy who tried to infiltrate the NRA, was targeted in the latest round of US sanctions

U.S. Treasury Sanctions Russia’s Defense-Industrial Base, the Russian Duma and Its Members, and Sberbank CEO

 

[sunshineray]

This is from Meduza.io, a Latvian-based independent magazine, popular among Russian young democratic journalists. It gives the timeline of Shoigu's activity since the war began. Also, Shoigu is known for perfect PR and a lot of coverage of his movements...

Sergey Shoigu, where are you? Amid war against Ukraine, Russia’s defense minister hasn’t been seen in public for 12 days — Meduza

"Shoigu, 66, is said not to have been seen with Putin since he attended a meeting with the Russian president and chief of the general staff Valery Gerasimov in Moscow on February 27, just days after the Ukraine invasion began."...

"It is also reported that Gerasimov, chief of the general staff of Russia's armed forces, has not been seen in public since March 11."


Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu Not Seen for 12 Days

On March 7th, Russian Major General Vitaliy Gerasimov, the chief of staff with Russia’s 41st Combined Arms Army was eliminated by Ukrainian forces..."along with a host of top officers sent to Ukraine to fix the invasion."

Did Ukraine kill Russian military chief Gerasimov's relative?

So one of Putin's top military guys hasn't been seen March 11th after his brillant up and rising military mind of a nephew (and other top brass sent to fix invasion) was killed by Ukrainian forces on March 7th...connected?

 

[dotr]

Marina Butina, the convicted Russian spy who tried to infiltrate conservative political groups in the US, is among the hundreds of Russian lawmakers facing new sanctions from the Biden administration.
The US Treasury announced on Thursday that 328 members of Russia's State Duma — the lower house of its parliament — will be sanctioned for supporting Russia's month-long war against Ukraine.
In addition to Russian lawmakers, dozens of defense companies and the CEO of its largest financial institution Sberbank are being targeted by the sanctions.

Maria Butina, the convicted Russian spy who tried to infiltrate the NRA, was targeted in the latest round of US sanctions

U.S. Treasury Sanctions Russia’s Defense-Industrial Base, the Russian Duma and Its Members, and Sberbank CEO

"One of the strangest spy stories ever told"
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MARCH 9, 2022
Maria Butina Claims Ukraine, Not Russia, Is Bombing Ukraine - Rolling Stone
''In fact, Butina is so deep in Putin’s propaganda hole that she’s suggesting it’s Ukraine itself, not Russia, laying waste to Ukraine.

“We have tons of evidence that the Russia army does not touch, does not bomb civilian populations,” she told BBC Radio’s Nick Robinson on Wednesday.

The remark came at the end of a tense exchange in which Robinson pressed Butina on whether she believed Ukraine has been bombing itself. “I want to seriously see the evidence that these are Russians,” Butina said before touting Russia’s plan to create “humanitarian corridors” to evacuate people from Ukrainian cities under attack. The corridors, however, lead into Russia and Belarus. “They are citizens of Ukraine, they should have the right to evacuate to the territory of Ukraine,” a spokesperson for Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky told Retuers.''

 

[sunshineray]

Oh man, THIS is what the faces that Russians see on TV and in the newspapers are saying the invasion was all about.

I can't, I won't quote them...just read it all...and then lets call Sly, Jason, Antonio and Wesley to get the Expendables back together to go "negotiate" with Vlad.

‘Visibly Furious’ Russian TV Talking Heads Rage at Arnold Schwarzenegger: ‘Don’t Side With Skynet’

 

[sunshineray]

Nieuwe Amerikaanse sancties tegen Rusland • Russisch oorlogsschip in brand

NOS = Dutch national broadcast/Dutch public broadcaster

AN HOUR AGO
Stoltenberg: Four New Combat Units to Eastern Member States
NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg announced in a press conference after the summit in Brussels to continue to exert pressure on Russia and to provide further military support to Ukraine. For example, Ukraine will receive more drones and anti-aircraft systems from NATO countries. The countries also want to provide Ukraine with more humanitarian aid and cyber security.

NATO countries are sending four new combat units to eastern member states, in addition to the four battle groups already stationed in Poland and the Baltic States. The troops are going to Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and Slovakia. NATO's military presence is also being strengthened in the air and at sea with jet fighters, combat ships and submarines, among other things.

Stoltenberg emphasized that the war has made it clear that security cannot be taken for granted and that more military investment is needed for the longer term. He said NATO countries are now coming up with plans to free up more money for military spending.

It's a powder keg

 

[Bit of hope]

It's a powder keg

I don't understand what you mean with a powder keg?

 

[dotr]

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''Kyiv Woman Wants Godmother In Moscow 'To See' Her Damaged Home'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACXsH6x3fmg

 

[sunshineray]

It's indeed mind boggling...in 2022....seeing and hearing!!! the clumsiness of the Russians. I'm so proud of the Ukrainians. Putin thought he could push them over in an instance...but they are far more equipped and smarter then he thought they are. So, and I feel so very sad about it....now deporting people from the Donbass area to camps...taking away their Ukrainian passports.....(we don't know who and how many) Putin has to go back to the middle ages warfare and is doing what the Nazis did....I'm very worried about what seems to be a bunch of not coordinated soldiers on the loose, without a chain of command....Who has the overall command over all the Russian forces/movements.

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Who has the overall command over all the Russian forces/movements.

That's a really good question since Ukrainian forces have eliminated so many general and officers. Putin, it seems IMO, has been eliminated his fair share of top military also.

IIRC, in one recently posted article it said the head the Russian Air Force was promoted to a higher position?

 

[dotr]

I don't understand what you mean with a powder keg?

[az] Exploding Powder Keg

 

[Bit of hope]

Don't know if this is a credible source....so far I don't see anything fishy...U.S. has 'credible information' Russians are creating lists of Ukrainians to be killed or sent to camps, ambassador to U.N. says

U.S. has ‘credible information’ Russians are creating lists of Ukrainians to be killed or sent to camps, ambassador to U.N. says

The U.S. has uncovered "credible information" that Russian forces "are creating lists of identified Ukrainians to be killed or sent to camps," and that Russian troops will "likely use lethal measures to disperse peaceful protests," according to a recent letter to a U.N. high commissioner, sent by a U.S. ambassador.

The undated The Washington Post on Sunday and written by Ambassador Bathsheba Nell Crocker, U.S. representative to the Office of the United Nations, and addressed to U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet—warns of a potential "human rights catastrophe" in the coming days.

"I would like to bring to your attention disturbing information recently obtained by the United States that indicates that human rights violations and abuses in the aftermath of a further invasion are being planned," Crocker wrote. "These acts ... would likely target those who oppose Russian actions, including Russian and Belarusian dissidents in exile in Ukraine, journalists and anti-corruption activists, and vulnerable populations such as religious and ethnic minorities and LGBTQI+ persons.

"Specifically, we have credible information that indicates Russian forces are creating lists of identified Ukrainians to be killed or sent to campus following a military occupation. We also have credible information that Russian forces will likely use lethal measures to disperse peaceful protests or otherwise counter peaceful exercises of perceived resistance from civilian populations."


The letter does not offer additional details.

On Sunday the Ukrainian city of Mariupol issued a statement claiming that its residents were being taken to Russia against their will, and a Ukrainian lawmaker said they were being forced into labor in remote areas of Russia, the Associated Press reported.

“Over the past week, several thousand Mariupol residents have been taken to the Russian territory,” the city statement said, according to the AP, adding that Ukrainians' cellphones and documents were examined by Russian troops before moving them.

Nearly 3,000 people have been taken from Mariupol to Russia since March 5, Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine said Sunday, the AP reported.

Inna Sovsun told Times Radio that, according to the Mariupol mayor and city council, the citizens are going to so-called filtration campus, "where they’re being forced to sign papers that they will stay in that area for two or three years and they will work for free in those areas," the AP added.


A Thursday article in Foreign Policy reported that Russia has drafted "lists of Ukrainian political figures and other prominent individuals to be targeted for either arrest or assassination in the event of a Russian assault on Ukraine," according to four individuals familiar with U.S. intelligence.

 

[sunshineray]

I don't understand what you mean with a powder keg?

That the whole area is being stuffed with potentially explosive forces...land, air and sea. It's becoming a very highly dangerous situation, outside of Ukraine's boundaries.

Like a keg of gunpowder, highly explosive.

 

[LadyL]

Pentagon: Russian defense officials have declined to take multiple calls from US counterparts