GUILTY UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 #20

[cybervampira]

Missing woman Libby Squire | Humberside Police

Can you help find missing Libby Squire (21) last seen getting into a taxi outside Welly club in Hull at around 11pm last night?

She is 5ft 7ins tall with shoulder length brown hair and was wearing a black long sleeved top, leather jacket and black denim skirt with lace.

If you have seen her please call 101 quoting log 29 of 01/02/19.



Humberside Police

Woman, 21, missing after last being seen getting into taxi on night out

Huge search for missing Libby Squire continues

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[Niner]

Friday, January 22nd:
*Trial continues (Day 6) (@ 10:30am UK) – UK – Liberty “Libby” Anna Squire (21) (last seen Jan. 31, 2019 outside Welly Club in Hull; found Mar. 20, 2019 from Grimsby Docks in the Humber Estuary) - *Pawel P. Relowicz (24/now 25) arrested (Feb. 6, 2019 on suspicion of abduction) officially charged (Oct. 30, 2019) with murder & rape. No plea entered yet. Not guilty plea entered on Jan. 12, 2021.
Trial began on Jan. 12, 2021. Trial will be in Sheffield. Richard Wright QC will lead, Mr. Woolfall prosecutor. Oliver Saxby QC for defense. Trial expected to last 6 weeks. Jury: 5 men & 7 women.
Was originally charged (18/3/19 & 10/5/19) with 5 counts of burglary, 4 counts of voyeurism, 3 counts of outraging public decency & 1 count of receiving stolen goods. On Aug. 12, 2019 plead guilty to 9 charges including voyeurism (4 counts), outraging public decency (2 counts) & burglary (3 counts). Relowicz jailed for eight & a half years.
Trial Day 1-5 (12/1 - 21/1/21) reference post #641 here:
UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019 *ARREST* #19
Jan. 21st Thursday, Trial Day 5: Relowicz is in the dock wearing the same blue suit. The jury has just been brought up. Richard Wright QC has recalled Alan Thornton, Relowicz’s neighbor, who gave evidence yesterday. Neighbor Mr. Thornton is being questioned by Oliver Saxby QC, mitigating, who says he wants to “clarify a few things.” (#667); Statement of Detention Officer Darren Coulson, who booked Relowicz into custody on Feb. 6, 2019 regarding scratches on his face (#668); Prosecution set out the agreed facts of the case. The jury was told that on Feb. 6, a Samsung phone was recovered from a bedroom at Relowicz’s home in Raglan Street (#669); Items seized from Relowicz's home. Mr. Wright told the jury that on Feb. 7, forensic officers seized a drone from the Raglan Street property that showed footage taken of Oak Road playing fields on Jan. 30, 2019 & search on Feb. 11. (#673) here:
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Mr Alford lived in a property that backed on to Oak Road playing fields when Libby disappeared. He says he spoke to police about “screams” he heard & the man he saw running away from Oak Road (#685 & #686); Screaming lasted 'four to seven minutes' (#689) here:
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Mr, Alford was cross examined by Oliver Saxby QC. He has been asked if he is certain of the time he woke up, to which he has replied: “Yes.” (#705 & #713). Statement on the discovery of Libby's body. Paul Secker says he is the owner of a fishing boat. He said: “After a few hours I could see an object floating towards the boat & could see it was a human body, face up. I could see a face & black clothing (#715) here:
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Lifeboat crews recovered Libby's body. Drew Baxter is part of the RNLI crew at Humber Lifeboat. “I was stood in the recovery well and I noticed three or four earrings & a gold necklace around the neck. I could see a black sports bra & that was it on the top of the body, a skirt & black & white trainers. Jamie White was also on duty with the RNLI; his statement (#721). Statement from woman who discovered condom pn Alexandra Road. Nina Hallwood is a student at the University of Hull. She was taking part in a search for Libby on Feb. 2 (#723) here:
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Evidence from Dr. Matthew Lyall, Home Office pathologist. Dr. Lyall is giving live evidence from a remote site. He has taken the oath. Dr. Lyall conducted a post-mortem examination on Libby’s body on Mar. 21, 2019 at Hull Royal Infirmary (#759) here:
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Dr. Lyall continued (#764, #767, #772). Post mortem could not exclude possibility of strangulation. Dr. Lyall says he could find no natural cause of death (#776). Toxicology & DNA reports. Dr. Lyall said there was no evidence of drugs in Libby’s body (#778) here:
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Cause of death unascertained. Dr. Lyall says he was not able to determine how Libby Squire died. He concluded her cause of death remains unascertained (#782). Dr. Lyall cross-examined by Oliver Saxby QC (#788 & #789) here:
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Today’s proceedings have now concluded & will resume again at 10:30am on Friday, 22/1/21.

 

[Sooty]

Any reasonable person would look at the evidence and think it beyond all reasonable doubt that she died at his hands.

Well I am sure I would be considered a ‘reasonable’ person, however, whilst I can see why he is in the frame, I remain to be convinced that he should be found guilty of murder at this point.
I love this forum and come here to hear everyone’s thoughts and follow their processses. It is a wonderful thing that we see things in different ways, and I have learnt so much. I am uncomfortable when people are shot down for a different point of view.

 

[elliefant]

Also we should remember it’s not whether a person is reasonable, it’s whether they have a doubt (about this specific thing) that is reasonable.

 

[Vera_dci]

I'm sorry about your friend @Ruthbullock. It sounds like she was suffering terribly. I hope her husband and children received support from professionals after her passing.

I agree with you that libby was vulnerable to the elements that night. Her friends did start driving around the streets looking for her at around 1am. I'd like to think they or someone else would have found her, had she injured herself or was unable to find her way home. As someone mentioned earlier it looked like she was heading in the direction for home when PR intercepted her.

 

[Winterbells]

If I was on the jury, I'd be thinking, did he force Libby into his car and then rape her? Is there enough evidence to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that he also killed her? If not, did he, after the aforementioned crimes, abandon her? in which case, did he know she was likely to die as a result of his actions?

 

[JosieJo]

I said opportunity crime not murder
"A crime of opportunity is a crime that is committed without planning when the perpetrator sees that they have the chance to commit the act at that moment and seizes it. Such acts have little or no premeditation."
Thats what I'm thinking saying opportunity crime
In my opinion he didnt plan rape her and kill her
And to make it clear I'm not defending him
I just think if I would be in his shoes(prosecuted for murder) I would like to judges base they verdict on facts( evidence) not they imagination and at the moment there is not knowing what cause her death(no deadly injures)and time they spend together on the field was very short. In my opinion too short for rape ,killing and disposing body
Thats all
Maybe I change my opinion when new facts appears but at the moment I'm not 100% sure he murder her

I'm with you with a lot of what you say ...do i think he caused her death ..yes...did he actually kill her and put her in the river ? So far no proof of that or evidence to conclusively tell us he did

Just because he visited the park a lot does not mean he was planning to murder someone there....pure speculation...could of just been another of his favourite spots for his seedy hobby

Just because he fished ...do we even know how often in the uk? Does not mean he knew about tides ...speculation..

The drone ...used to case the park to be a crime scene? Speculation...was it of the river only ? Did it constantly go up and down river zooming in on areas of interest? Could be some new toy for his voyeurism

The lighting...moon and snow ...in a normally functioning person may help....but we could see even in well lit streets libby was stumbling and not functioning normally

I do think he will found guilty of.rape..absolutely...imo no question

Murder...I think he will get guilty but not on clear evidence that he definitely without doubt killed her with his hands and put her in river ...because there is none at all so far

 

[JosieJo]

A big one for me at the moment is his Internet searches so far have included nothing about death , murder , rivers etc ...most killers slip up somewhere with this either pre or post crime
It means nothing that its absent but id have felt much better around him knowing she was dead when he left the park if it had been present

 

[wilkela]

I'm with you with a lot of what you say ...do i think he caused her death ..yes...did he actually kill her and put her in the river ? So far no proof of that or evidence to conclusively tell us he did

Just because he visited the park a lot does not mean he was planning to murder someone there....pure speculation...could of just been another of his favourite spots for his seedy hobby

Just because he fished ...do we even know how often in the uk? Does not mean he knew about tides ...speculation..

The drone ...used to case the park to be a crime scene? Speculation...was it of the river only ? Did it constantly go up and down river zooming in on areas of interest? Could be some new toy for his voyeurism

The lighting...moon and snow ...in a normally functioning person may help....but we could see even in well lit streets libby was stumbling and not functioning normally

I do think he will found guilty of.rape..absolutely...imo no question

Murder...I think he will get guilty but not on clear evidence that he definitely without doubt killed her with his hands and put her in river ...because there is none at all so far

Absolutely agree with you
Of course I have problem put it that nicely on writing like you did but yes it is what I'm thinking
I think at the moment they could find him guilty of (max )homicide but not murder

 

[mrjitty]

They are not going to be able to prove murder, are they?

I think you are on point with your concern Cags

For instance, if PR was chasing libby in the park, and she stumbled in the water and drowned, and he left her, that would be manslaughter not murder. So can it be excluded that she ended up in the water due to his illegal acts, but acts that don't amount to murder?

Of course the difficulty with that is that if the defence itself, which knows what happened, does not make that case with evidence - should the jury even consider it?

IMO the jury need only consider the version of events the accused himself placed in evidence. I don't think we have to deal with every speculative explanation, that the defence itself is not making?

 

[Sooty]

A big one for me at the moment is his Internet searches so far have included nothing about death , murder , rivers etc ...most killers slip up somewhere with this either pre or post crime

Agree with this. Also that there doesn’t appear (I appreciate that we have only heard limited info)to have been rape or violent fantasies either. It is undisputed that he is a sexual deviant, and there there is a technical rape scenario in this case, but to go from voyeurism and exhibitionism, however terrifying, to violent contact and murder without evidence of a preoccupation of those ‘themes’ challenges me. Of course it could just have been an opportunity that he was prepared to take. I am keeping my open mind until the end of the trial.

 

[LucyRocket]

In the absence of anything better to do this morning, I thought I'd have a go

Pa vel Velorveetch

 

[LucyRocket]

There’s a large portion of me feels that isn’t enough- pure frustration. I want (and I am stamping my feet at this point) people to be convicted on evidence. Arrrrrggggghhhhhh- that CCTV from Oakland’s via the yeast factory-I have my fingers crossed it caught something.

In Lindsay Birbeck's case there was just as little. In her case the person who was found guilty of murder was only known to be with her body after the fact but nothing to link him to her death. Found guilty. In this case the accused was only known to be with Libby before her death. But she ended up dead. So could still be enough to convict.

 

[Vera_dci]

On January 13, 2019, the woman was at home at midnight when she saw two hands come through the letterbox and Relowicz's face again. The woman shouted "For f**** sake" and stood up but Relowicz left.

She has had two letterboxes ripped out of her door in the time she has lived in her home. Prosecution believe a significant degree of planning went into the act.

IMO : Im unsure if he set out to purposely murder Libby but the above is why I think he is capable of murdering. Its quite a violent act to rip out letter boxes with your bare hands. To me it says he was getting frustrated he could not get to the victim. I think he became frustrated with libby in the park that night. Its clear she fought back and was trying to alert someone for help by screaming. IMO He silenced her in anyway he could in order to fulfill his own needs ......and that is murder.

Every twisted act committed by sexual predator Pawel Relowicz

 

[JosieJo]

In Lindsay Birbeck's case there was just as little. In her case the person who was found guilty of murder was only known to be with her body after the fact but nothing to link him to her death. Found guilty. In this case the accused was only known to be with Libby before her death. But she ended up dead. So could still be enough to convict.

Yes that was another difficult one ...no actual proof he killed her only disposed of her

 

[LucyRocket]

I am hopeful there were still enough folks out and about that night that would have helped Libby home. Or maybe called LE to get her help. Eventually maybe she would have not been as agitated.

Her friends were driving around looking for her within a short time

 

[Winterbells]

I'm trying to think of how his actions could be seen through the lens of 'innocent'....
He was out that evening and he noticed a girl who looked like she needed help. He didn't want to invade her space, so he followed her from a distance, just to keep his eye on her and make sure she was ok. When he saw her wandering into the Endsleigh centre grounds he crossed the road because he was worrried about her safety. He spoke to her and she was clearly not ok, so he offered to give her a lift to wherever she wanted to go. She got into the car and as they drove, she told him she'd direct him. Then it looked like she was going to be sick, so he stopped the car, they both got out, he for a wee, she to be sick and then she started to behave as if she'd like to have sex and she didn't seem so drunk anymore. So they did. Afterwards, she said she was going home and she walked off. He went home, but couldn't help but worry about her, so he returned to where they'd parted and she wasn't there, so he assumed she must have found her way home. The next day, people were talking about a misssing girl and he realised it was the same girl. He was scared, so he told a pack of lies to the people he spoke to about it, including the police. That she ended up dead and in the river, is nothing to do with him.

 

[jamjim]

10:40
How alcohol and the cold affected Libby
Professor Charles Deakin is to give evidence on how the cold and alcohol may have affected Libby.

Professor Deakin is a consultant in intensive care and will give live evidence via video link.

Libby Squire trial live: Latest updates from court