GUILTY UK - Olivia Pratt-Korbel, 9, shot dead, Liverpool, 22 Aug 2022 *arrest*

[Whitehall 1212]

Plus attempted murder of "intended target" and bodily harm of mother of Olivia.
MOO

2 x attempted murder - of Nee and Olivia's mother. Not bodily harm.

 

[Dotta]

I hate to sound like a gloomy prophet but...
I doubt both arrested men 1 and 2 are potential shooters.

I guess they are gang "mates" of the culprit, who, in my opinion, is either dead or far far away.

But, of course, I might be wrong.

MOO

 

[Whitehall 1212]

I hate to sound like a gloomy prophet but...
I doubt both arrested men 1 and 2 are potential shooters.

I guess they are gang "mates" of the culprit, who, in my opinion, is either dead or far far away.

But, of course, I might be wrong.

MOO

It would be exceptionally unusual for a gang to kill the shooter. It's not only the shooter who is in for a very long prison sentence.....they're in it together.

Historically, some have taken off. All seaports and airports would have been placed on alert at an early stage, even if the name was not known there would be ways of identifying possible suspects.

Of course some have used private means to escape the country under the radar. Very few of these junkie gangs are sophisticated enough to have those means or command the 'respect' for others to assist them.

No, they are hoping that they have not left sufficient evidence to nail them. Tracking the CCTV and telecoms activity, in the hours/days before and after will play a major evidential role.

 

[Dotta]

The idea that a gang will kill the shooter would be exceptionally unusual. It's not only the shooter who is in for a very long prison sentence.....they're in it together.

Historically, some have taken off. All seaports and airports would have been placed on alert at an early stage, even if the name was not known there would be ways of identifying possible suspects.

Of course some have used private means to escape the country under the radar. Very few of these junkie gangs are sophisticated enough to have those means or command the 'respect' for others to assist them.

No, they are hoping that they have not left sufficient evidence to nail them. Tracking the CCTV and telecoms activity, in the hours/days before and after will play a major evidential role.

Do not underestimate "junkie" gangs.
They have money and means to do what they want.
And they are doing exactly that.

MOO

 

[Whitehall 1212]

Do not underestimate "junkie" gangs.
They have money and means to do what they want.
And they are doing exactly that.

Oh I don't. Then again I've seen them up close and personal!

 

[Dotta]

Police:
We need names.
Silence is not an option.

Olivia Pratt-Korbel: Police say they 'need names' over Liverpool shooting - after two men arrested

Two men have been arrested in connection with Olivia's death, with a local councillor telling Sky News that grief in the community has turned to "anger" over the shooting.

news.sky.com

 

[Whitehall 1212]

Police:
We need names.
Silence is not an option.

Olivia Pratt-Korbel: Police say they 'need names' over Liverpool shooting - after two men arrested

Two men have been arrested in connection with Olivia's death, with a local councillor telling Sky News that grief in the community has turned to "anger" over the shooting.

news.sky.com

'To be a grass in Liverpool is worse than murder' - an investigators perspective

Liverpool gangs see being 'a grass' as worse than murder, says Rhys Jones police investigator

Merseyside Police officers face a 'wall of silence' when probing killings involving gangs, with the failure of people to inform on suspects creating 'major delays'

inews.co.uk

 

[Dotta]

'To be a grass in Liverpool is worse than murder' - an investigators perspective

And what is etymology of this expression?

Grass is so positive a word.
Like green green grass of home
Holidays and nature.

 

[RusselSprout]

Olivia Pratt-Korbel: Two men held over fatal shooting in Liverpool released on bail

Two men held over the fatal shooting of nine-year-old Olivia Pratt-Korbel in Liverpool have been released on bail.

www.google.com

Both men bailed

 

[Parker Knoll]

I am pretty surprised at this to be honest.
It’s worrying.

 

[Dotta]

Im not surprised.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

I am pretty surprised at this to be honest.
It’s worrying.

I'm not surprised. This was always going to be a complex investigation, given that the gangs are very aware of how police investigate and ensure that they make evidence gathering as difficult as possible.

 

[Sarahlou]

I think it would be more surprising if they'd actually caught the right guy so quickly. I thought that seemed too good to be true. I'm sure he is being well hidden, unfortunately.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1563602321837535233

 

[Parker Knoll]

I doubt he is far from Merseyside tbh.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

I doubt he is far from Merseyside tbh.

It depends on his connections and who set it up. He could be toughing it out on his doorstep or have been out of the country within hours, under the radar.

All bets are off.

 

[seasideForest]

And what is etymology of this expression?
Grass is so positive a word.
Like green green grass of home
Holidays and nature.

'to grass on somebody' is from Cockney rhyming slang. "Grasshopper" rhymes with "copper" aka policeman

Information courtesy of Grass - phrase meaning and origin

It's off-topic but an intriguing question. Learn something new every day

 

[Whitehall 1212]

'to grass on somebody' is from Cockney rhyming slang. "Grasshopper" rhymes with "copper" aka policeman

Information courtesy of Grass - phrase meaning and origin

It's off-topic but an intriguing question. Learn something new every day

It's one theory on the etymology.

There are others, e.g. 'snake in the grass', 'whispering grass' etc

Nothing divinitive has been identified.

 

[seasideForest]

It's one theory on the etymology.

There are others, e.g. 'snake in the grass', 'whispering grass' etc

Nothing divinitive has been identified.

OK, thanks for the correction, Whitehall.

BTW I really appreciate your informative posts on legal matters, on all sorts of threads.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

OK, thanks for the correction, Whitehall.

BTW I really appreciate your informative posts on legal matters, on all sorts of threads.

Thank you

I hope I can provide some context as to how the police operate.