UK - Three abandoned babies (2017, 2019, 2024) full siblings found in London

[Periwinkl3]

Reusable bags are everywhere--bins, charity shops, flea markets and so on. I don't think the Boots people can pinpoint its age or point of purchase.

Also, it may not be the biological mother who is leaving the babies. It could be a more distant relative or even a non-relative.

IMO some sort of enslavement, unusually tight-knit community or even cult could be involved. How would locals not notice and report a repeatedly pregnant mother (or father) who never appears to have an infant or toddler in tow again?

It's a blessing the children survived and weren't murdered.

 

[pandavoodoo]

Baby Roman, 2019

A newborn baby found earlier this year in Newham, east London, is the third child abandoned by the same parents, the BBC can report.
DNA tests presented to the East London Family Court established that “Baby Elsa” is the sibling of two babies, a boy and a girl, found in very similar circumstances in 2017 and 2019.
Despite appeals by the Metropolitan Police, their parents have not been identified.
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also been abandoned after birth in the same area of London.
They had been wrapped in blankets. One was also inside a bag.
Family Court documents stated Baby Elsa still had her umbilical cord, and doctors estimate she had been born only an hour before.

Abandoned baby Elsa is third newborn deserted by same parents - BBC News

DNA tests have confirmed all three infants found in east London are full siblings, the BBC can report.

www.bbc.com

I wonder if they are using geographic profiling. IMO she lives in the area of 2 and 3. I thought maybe she was young but imo she’s no longer what I would consider young after seven years.

I mean it could be possible that the mother is being forced to give up her kids?

 

[pandavoodoo]

Apologies if it’s already been mentioned but what if the mother is someone being held against their will and they aren’t on a missing persons database simply because they had no one to miss them as such

My thoughts exactly. Almost like the Ariel Castro case.

 

[GRT]

I mean it could be possible that the mother is being forced to give up her kids?

That's a distinct possibility. MOO

 

[Periwinkl3]

Interesting that no related babies were abandoned during the pandemic.

 

[CityKid]

Interesting that no related babies were abandoned during the pandemic.

Or they were, and were not found...

 

[Ruthbullock]

Baby abandoned in park was '30 minutes old with umbilical cord attached'

The tiny newborn was discovered in a 'Sainsbury's bag' next to a park bench

www.essexlive.news

 

[Ruthbullock]

Video of baby abandoned in East London park released in bid to find mother

Infant under council care three months after being found wrapped in white blanket

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Ruthbullock]

Picture released of baby abandoned in London park - BBC News

Newborn "Harry" was found wrapped in a blanket in a bush in an east London park on Sunday.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Ruthbullock]

Thought it might be useful to read some of the original articles for the older children

 

[al66pine]

First Degrees Relatives?

.... But %ROH only gets so high to where incest is the only explanation in cases where the parents are first degree relatives (parent/child or full siblings), or second degree relatives if there's a generational history of incest (cousins, half-siblings, uncle/neice, aunt/nephew, grandparent/grandchild)....

snipped for focus. @Goecke A small point here re ^ post (or source):
" where the parents are first degree relatives (parent/child or full siblings)."

Seems it's saying "full siblings" are first degree relatives, not second degree.

Per link to table below, "full siblings" are second degree relatives to each other.*

Not claiming to know much about tech aspects of DNA as my knowledge re degrees-of-consanguinity comes largely from US state statutes (not UK law) and legal inheritance issues, in which the only FIRST degree relatives are parents and children. Again, per table below.

Perhaps not a relevant point here, since DNA tests of the these three abandoned babies already determined that they share the same parents IIUC.

Welcoming correction or clarification, as the degree terms apply here.

_______________________
Degrees of Consanguinity.

Consanguinity - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Lusitana]

I don't think they will be able to identify the parents through the bag, at least I borrow these bags from friends, family, etc. I have bags from shops I've never even been at. Now, if they can find someone carrying the same bag on CCTV from the day the baby was found, that's useful.

 

[FromGermany1]

Baby abandoned in park was '30 minutes old with umbilical cord attached'

The tiny newborn was discovered in a 'Sainsbury's bag' next to a park bench

www.essexlive.news

"The police had sniffer dogs trying to find a blood trail but they couldn't, which makes me ask how she left in that state.
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S* P*, 47, was walking his German shepherd through the play area just 15 minutes before the baby was found.

He said: "It's crazy to think I was there just before, it was totally empty apart from a man sitting on the bench.

"When the police and ambulance came, I thought maybe he had died.

"It was very cold and snowing."
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Maybe, it was the man on the bank, who left the baby there. So no traces being found?
Maybe, it is always the father of the 3 babies, who left them, where they were found? After all, the birth took place a very short time before, so no time for the mother to clean herself AND walking (in her condition) to another location. IMO

 

[Megsc]

Yesterday I saw a tv show on which a woman explained how she was raped by her father and ended up being pregnant multiple times, and had to go through abortions (the mother knew but didn't do anything). Wondering if that's the same kind of thing that is happening in this case, but she was unable to get abortions (perhaps doesn't have the right to and is forced to have the babies).
I hope I'm wrong, but that's where my mind immediatly goes. Anyhow, something very weird is going on and I'm scared for this woman/girl.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Harry is adorable and was glad to read that the plan is to connect the children at some point in their lives.
What about their DNA ?
Then focusing on cultural hubs in and around Newham.
Curious what made authorities carry out DNA testing with Harry and Roman?

London Borough of Newham - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

£20,000 reward offered in search for parents of three abandoned baby siblings

It comes one year after the youngest, baby Elsa, was discovered.

metro.co.uk

 

[Skigh]

I would imagine tests were carried out to see if there were any matches to any dna results already in their data base. They could also be quickly matched to anyone claiming the babies were theirs.

 

[Izzylizzy]

The judge had refused the request to change Elsa's name.
imo:
I assume that when older the 3 children will be told or find out where they were abandoned and the conditions surround it so does Elsa really need to be reminded about Elsa from the movie "Frozen" that her mother/adult wrapped her in a a towel put her in a bag and left her at an hour old to die outside in freezing weather?
A total disregard for human life not even caring if the baby survived long enough to be found.

'Baby Elsa: Abandoned newborn leaves hospital with foster parents'​

25 January 2024

Baby Elsa: Abandoned newborn leaves hospital with foster parents

The BBC gets special permission to report on a family court, where it is heard Elsa is in care.

www.bbc.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

I would imagine tests were carried out to see if there were any matches to any dna results already in their data base. They could also be quickly matched to anyone claiming the babies were theirs.

That makes total sense using all that's available.
On another note.

Woman campaigns to introduce baby boxes in the UK

Toyin Odumala, who was left outside flats in London in 2001 when she was a baby, starts a petition.

www.bbc.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

Apologies if I am re-posting info.and so pleased to hear this.

"All their names have been changed and all three are in good health."

£20,000 reward offered as police search for parents of three abandoned babies

Police appeal for information relating to three babies abandoned by the same parents shortly after birth in east London. A reward of £20,000 is also being offered by Crimestoppers.

www.bbc.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“The three babies in this investigation are thankfully healthy and well, and we are continuing momentum behind this investigation to identify the parents.”
Detective Inspector Jamie Humm of the Child Abuse Investigation Team

https://crimestoppers-uk.org/news-campaigns/news/2025/jan/20-000-reward-offered-to-find-parents-of-three-abandoned-babies

Now Metropolitan Police in London are asking for the public’s help in identifying the man and woman involved, announcing a more than $24,000 reward on the 1-year anniversary of finding the third baby on Jan. 18 last year.

https://fox8.com/news/24k-reward-offered-in-search-of-parents-who-abandoned-3-of-their-newborns-police/?fbclid=IwY2xjawH7URlleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHemWYScnRv89i54kWpJgBQCoXWHxMXdWUJUyX6FmsgiYBBfuRI_vNK1SFw_aem_OozKUT2cKV2aBZ84amAR-Q