Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #11

[passionflower]

Will we ever find out when JVS started his bizarre life?
It has been mentioned that he killed a dog (s)? what age?
It has been mentioned here that he was seeing a counselor years ago, when? why?
Was he in an institution before as I read on another site? and when? why?
I also saw the nude photo and he does not look normal down below at all to me.
Why would he show the world that???
Could his inability to mature as a man be part of his problem?
At what age did JVS get addicted to gambling?
Start drinking? doing drugs?
His father seemed proud of JVS having his own apartment off the house and his playboy ways.........JMOO
How

 

[KR2tonenow]

If there is any truth that he really beat his own dog to death at age 13, that's the point they should have sought some intensive therapy. They supposedly had money, even if it meant sending him our of Aruba for some good therapy, that's what he needed. If not before, we know nothing about what kind of kid he was. he could have been the Child from Hell. Maybe that's why his parents indulged him, they really were scared of him. Maybe he held it over Paulus's head that he aided him in the disposal of a dead body when he was technically still a minor, and that's how he continued to get money sent to him all over the globe from his parents (Dad). Now Paulus is dead, he can't bribe him anymore, so he turns to the Holloway extortion plan.

In the coffee video, it looks like he gets the idea to "pretend he can't get in the room" just after he opens the door a foot or two, then he closes it and pockets the key. I don't think this was premeditated, regardless of the date, which I am sure tweeked him a bit, though. Seems like it happened one.step.at.a.time. Why he freaked out and killed her is the mystery, I don;t buy the looking at his laptop story. Sounds made up. Maybe he really stupidly thought they really were going to have sex, this poor loser who can't even pick up chicks in a casino, and she says, sorry, I'm gay. He's thinking, all the women in the world and I pick up one that's GAY? Maybe it threw him into a rage.
Maybe he borrowed money and that's what she slipped him when she came up to the table (not shook his hand). Money. And when they returned to his room, he was backed up against a corner cos he HAD no money to repay her...so he was trapped into killing her. His ridiculous litany of stories after that are as laughable as Casey Anthonys Zanny the Nanny etc lies.
So si this about a narcissistic liar or a psycho serial killer. Does the fact that he killed 2 and Casey killed 1 make him worse, or are they basicly cut from the same cloth?

Pretty close....but unfortunately as fascinating it is, its also as equally disturbing.

 

[one_girl_rev]

Really? Like what?

Pictures of snippets from headlines and press conferences he was in, pictures of him partying with friends, pictures of him vacationing with his family, pictures of him being a player with multiple different women, etc.

 

[TwiceIrish]

I did hear that 'Dateline' will be covering the case tonight.

There's a 2 hour special titled "Deadly Connection?" airing on Dateline right now. I'm in CST.

 

[Unreals]

suzihawk,

I'm not sure what is true about that. All I know is that I saw a lot of references to Anita either arriving in Peru a few days ago, or on her way there, in several articles (mostly translations from Dutch or Aruban sources).

I was just expressing surprise at the report about her being at a film festival, more than her still being in Aruba. I'm sure it's possible- I don't know her, but it just struck me as odd.

 

[Beatrice]

If there is any truth that he really beat his own dog to death at age 13, that's the point they should have sought some intensive therapy. They supposedly had money, even if it meant sending him our of Aruba for some good therapy, that's what he needed. If not before, we know nothing about what kind of kid he was. he could have been the Child from Hell. Maybe that's why his parents indulged him, they really were scared of him. Maybe he held it over Paulus's head that he aided him in the disposal of a dead body when he was technically still a minor, and that's how he continued to get money sent to him all over the globe from his parents (Dad). Now Paulus is dead, he can't bribe him anymore, so he turns to the Holloway extortion plan.

It is true...Joran killed the family dog & blamed it on his young neighbor. When the truth came out, Joran was placed in couselling for Anger Mgmt.
And, Anita enrolled him in Meditation/Yoga classes.

 

[suzihawk]

The party could have been on Monday night and her flight isn't till Friday, for all we know. So both, or neither, could be true. I will never complain about getting information out of the American cases (except Florida, where I LOVE that Sunshine Law) again, at least I speak the language. The language and culture barrier here throws a wrench in every possible theory. jmo

abbie

(Except the SODDI theory, that's thrown WAY out AFAIC)

The article is dated today and it says she was at the function 'last night'. But, you're right, she could be on her way to Peru even as we type. I don't know. I just posted the link with the info.

 

[KR2tonenow]

I heard it reported that he had taken about $850.00 soles from her which in american dollars comes out to about $300.00.

I read it too, maybe a mis-print:waitasec:

 

[TwiceIrish]

Here's a link to the post re: the article re: AVS attending the party.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Joran Van der Sloot Confesses to Murdering Stephany Flores Ramirez #5

And here's a link to the AP article that confirms AVS is not yet in Peru.

Reached by the AP, Altez refused to discuss the case. He said Van der Sloot's schoolteacher mother, Anita, would be arriving early next week with the family's own media adviser.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ivjZZz2WTj-nJ_lNzCNyFmuADWDwD9G9ALDO1

 

[Unreals]

The stories about Joran killing a dog, having psychiatric problems, etc., really need to be sourced, I think. Joran has been accused of so many things like that, and to my knowledge, none of them have ever been verified. It was claimed earlier that none of his friends are coming forward to defend him- on the contrary, as I mentioned before, there is a large group of girls on Facebook who are publicly stating that Joran always treated them well (I think most, or all of them, are supposedly ex-girlfriends of his).

In the same vein, there has been a lot of armchair psychiatry, on this forum, and on too many American t.v. discussion shows. John Kelly, Beth's attorney, evidently feels qualified to say whether someone is a psychopath or not by staring into their eyss. That's not exactly scientific. Maybe the Peruvians can throw Joran into a lake; if he drowns, he was innocent, and he floats, then he's a witch.

I may wind up being the last person left defending him, but I firmly believe Joran did not cause Natalee'd disappearance, and is being framed in Peru.

 

[twall]

I will have to catch the Dateline show later-it should be on the MSNBC site at some time.
Both tv's are occupied by dd and dh plus it looks like we are due for another thunder boomer shortly so the satellite will be going out! (I can do without the commercials, too!)

 

[passionflower]

Maybe LE told Anita she cannot see Joran.
Or that she must stay home til a certain date.
Does Peru prisons allow visitation????

 

[Dr. Know?]

The drug test they gave Joran was several days after he had killed Stephany, so coke or speed wouldn't show up. Joran could have had drugs in his system Saturday/Sunday before he killed Stephany.

 

[passionflower]

I look for many people to 'talk' about JVS and family now that he is out of reach.
IMO, he scared allot of people. JMO

 

[AbbieNormal]

And here's a link to the AP article that confirms AVS is not yet in Peru.

Reached by the AP, Altez refused to discuss the case. He said Van der Sloot's schoolteacher mother, Anita, would be arriving early next week with the family's own media adviser.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ivjZZz2WTj-nJ_lNzCNyFmuADWDwD9G9ALDO1

You know how Joran asked for and received money from Beth in exchange for where Natalees body was, and then was far away when they went to look and he emailed them, I lied?

They should arrive from Peru offering him a huge reduction in time in Perus prison system or even tell him a special deal had been worked out where he could return to Aruba, find Natalees body, and then would have to go to the US to sand trial and do prison time. What a Godsend, compared to where he is currently sitting! Put it in wiriting, too, just like Joran had the Holloways put it in writing.
Then, after he reveals where her body is, says, Well, I lied. Back to Peru you go. Rot in hell, Joran! Lifes a beotch! See how it feels when SOMEONE LIES?????

 

[Columbo]

The stories about Joran killing a dog, having psychiatric problems, etc., really need to be sourced, I think. Joran has been accused of so many things like that, and to my knowledge, none of them have ever been verified. It was claimed earlier that none of his friends are coming forward to defend him- on the contrary, as I mentioned before, there is a large group of girls on Facebook who are publicly stating that Joran always treated them well (I think most, or all of them, are supposedly ex-girlfriends of his).

In the same vein, there has been a lot of armchair psychiatry, on this forum, and on too many American t.v. discussion shows. John Kelly, Beth's attorney, evidently feels qualified to say whether someone is a psychopath or not by staring into their eyss. That's not exactly scientific. Maybe the Peruvians can throw Joran into a lake; if he drowns, he was innocent, and he floats, then he's a witch.

I may wind up being the last person left defending him, but I firmly believe Joran did not cause Natalee'd disappearance, and is being framed in Peru.

bolded by me.

Would it be possible for you to provide a link to these Joran ex-girlfriends on Facebook? Apologies if you have already done so and I missed seeing it. Thanks.

 

[KR2tonenow]

The stories about Joran killing a dog, having psychiatric problems, etc., really need to be sourced, I think. Joran has been accused of so many things like that, and to my knowledge, none of them have ever been verified. It was claimed earlier that none of his friends are coming forward to defend him- on the contrary, as I mentioned before, there is a large group of girls on Facebook who are publicly stating that Joran always treated them well (I think most, or all of them, are supposedly ex-girlfriends of his).

In the same vein, there has been a lot of armchair psychiatry, on this forum, and on too many American t.v. discussion shows. John Kelly, Beth's attorney, evidently feels qualified to say whether someone is a psychopath or not by staring into their eyss. That's not exactly scientific. Maybe the Peruvians can throw Joran into a lake; if he drowns, he was innocent, and he floats, then he's a witch.

I may wind up being the last person left defending him, but I firmly believe Joran did not cause Natalee'd disappearance, and is being framed in Peru.

Ok, let's just say for arguments sake, why is he being framed?

 

[AbbieNormal]

The drug test they gave Joran was several days after he had killed Stephany, so coke or speed wouldn't show up. Joran could have had drugs in his system Saturday/Sunday before he killed Stephany.

Pot isn't excreted in your urine and can hang around 28 days. Especially if you use it chronically, which I think Joran did.
Coke can hang around 1-3 days if you use it once, longer if you use it more. Not everyday, but couple times a week. Can be in your system 12 days or longer.
But Stephany had no drugs in her system, so maybe if both are true there was no drugs involved at all.

 

[Unreals]

I think Joran is being framed because of the Natalee Holloway case.

In my view, there are powerful interests who do not want the truth about that case to come out. Again, a lot of this will be in the book.

 

[TwiceIrish]

The stories about Joran killing a dog, having psychiatric problems, etc., really need to be sourced, I think. Joran has been accused of so many things like that, and to my knowledge, none of them have ever been verified. It was claimed earlier that none of his friends are coming forward to defend him- on the contrary, as I mentioned before, there is a large group of girls on Facebook who are publicly stating that Joran always treated them well (I think most, or all of them, are supposedly ex-girlfriends of his).

In the same vein, there has been a lot of armchair psychiatry, on this forum, and on too many American t.v. discussion shows. John Kelly, Beth's attorney, evidently feels qualified to say whether someone is a psychopath or not by staring into their eyss. That's not exactly scientific. Maybe the Peruvians can throw Joran into a lake; if he drowns, he was innocent, and he floats, then he's a witch.

I may wind up being the last person left defending him, but I firmly believe Joran did not cause Natalee'd disappearance, and is being framed in Peru.

BBM -- You, his mother, his lawyer and his dog... oh wait...maybe not the dog.