Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #11

[KR2tonenow]

It is showing here - 8:00pm - 10pm, Kat

 

[DollyPardonMe]

I have watched the video over and over of Stephany coming to the Poker table, shaking Joran's hand and sitting down to play poker. She looks around rather suspiciously at first (IMO). You would think they were just meeting for the first time but according to news reports they actually met a couple of days BEFORE the day she was murdered. Does anybody else think that maybe the two of them could have been in cahoots to "cheat" at the poker tables..Win some money and then go back to the room on the night of Stephany's murder to divide up their winnings and Joran didn't want to cough up her share? She could have threatened to expose him....I don't know...Just a thought....

 

[suzihawk]

I think you're on the right track; Stephany's father appears to be a powerful figure- another "coincidence" that Joran happens to choose his daughter to murder, on the exact five year anniversary of Natalee's disapperance?

Keep in mind that everything you are hearing, from Joran's "confession" to all the leaks about him supposedly leading them to Natalee's body, now claiming his father buried her, etc., are coming from behind closed doors, through sources (Peruvian authorities) that should be viewed with great skepticism.

The way this is progressing, I think that Joran will not live to stand trial. The police in Peru will not be criticized at all for his death- on the contrary, they will be lauded for their exceptional efforts at investigation, which produced a "confession" from the wiley, impossible to nail down "psychopath" in only a few days. Joran will then go down in history as the killer of Natalee Holloway and Stephany (perhaps they'll add on a few more "confessions" for good measure- like the girls in Columbia- and portray him as the "casino" serial killer many believe him to be).

I hope I'm wrong, but at this point there is little reason to be confident.

OK... I'm struggling to get this straight in my head. So bear with me...

According to your theory, JVS is innocent of any involement in Natalee's disappearance/death, right? Someone was/is trying to frame him for that, right? Why? He was a 17 year old punk. Why would anyone go to all that trouble? You imply it all goes back to Mountainbrook. So the Holloways target him to cover up what?

OK... the frame up people can't nail him in five years so now we're on to Peru. They follow him to Peru, make sure he's staying in a hotel with a surviellance camera conveniently located right outside his door so they can catch all the action and wait for him to hook up with a powerful man's daughter on the very night of the five year anniversary. How would they know he'd be staying at that particular hotel? Did they arrange for that? Wouldn't that alert Joran to something hinky? How did they know he would pick up any girl, much less the daughter of a powerful man to kill and frame him with?

Did someone else commit the murder to make it look like Joran did it? That would require one hell of a lot of pay-off and secrecy. Hotel staff, etc

Am I way off base here 'cuz I think I must be. Spell it out for me.

 

[newone]

Perhaps Anita VDS has endeavored to put her life back together.

Perhaps some friend or family member, showed her all the 2008 video clips of her son, JVDS, talking smack about selling girls in the Thai sex-trafficking. Video of him sitting in a bedroom, while two other guys "slow pitched" two young Thai girls, about the business opportunity as "dancers" in the Netherlands.

With a little luck, Anita got a clue.

Other than an long overdue ''talk behind the woodshed with a willow switch'' I believe Anita owes Joran NOTHING

 

[3doglady]

So what is Joran doing exactly with the coffee cup video? Was he pretending she was sleeping and couldnt open the door? Did they not give him the key because they knew she was still in the room? I dont get what he was doing, maybe thats a good thing, lol. How bizarre.

Looks like he was trying to set up an alibi. He wanted it to look like someone else went to the room while he was gone to get coffee. He was pretending to knock on the door so he could say that he was locked out. The door wasn't even closed good. He closed the door. Then he realized the camera was there. He went and got the hotel employee to let him in anyway. Stephany was dead at that time and the employee had no clue. The coffee cups look empty so I'm not sure if he really went to get coffee or not. He has one danish in his hand so it's possible he did go get coffee and we haven't seen the video of that yet. GVS just said after the hotel employee let him back in he stayed in the room for an hour before he left. (an hour with a dead girl in the room)

 

[i.b.nora]

Wow, He stayed in the room for an hour after the coffee cup video.

I don't think that is true. We have seen the timestamped videos of when he left the room and the hotel for the final time.
8:39:37
— Hotel female housekeeper arrives with Joran to open the door. She tries a couple of keys. The door is opened at 8:39:47.
08:56:45
— Joran van der Sloot is captured on hallway camera leaving room 309 in the Hotel Tac with a backpack and a satchel or dufflebag. Supposedly he tells the hotel person downstairs that 'his girl is still in the room, so don't disturb'. He says he will be back.

 

[cat thief]

Well, admittedly I've never murdered anyone. I also haven't known anybody who murdered anyone. Perhaps I'm not any more of an expert than anyone else here.

However, I do think that, if I was crazy and/or evil enough to kill somebody in my hotel room, I wouldn't purposefully go and get a hotel worker to open up the door for me. Especially when the room is so small, and everything almost certainly could be seen from the doorway.

But, as I noted, I interpret it with the bias that Joran was framed.

The problem I have with your theory is we don't know the layout of the hotel room nor do we know if the body would have been visible from the doorway as you say. Will you at least concede that Joran was possibly NOT framed?

 

[doobiedoo52]

I have watched the video over and over of Stephany coming to the Poker table, shaking Joran's hand and sitting down to play poker. She looks around rather suspiciously at first (IMO). You would think they were just meeting for the first time but according to news reports they actually met a couple of days BEFORE the day she was murdered. Does anybody else think that maybe the two of them could have been in cahoots to "cheat" at the poker tables..Win some money and then go back to the room on the night of Stephany's murder to divide up their winnings and Joran didn't want to cough up her share? She could have threatened to expose him....I don't know...Just a thought....

That's what I thought too. She seems to be looking around kind of like wondering if anyone knows her--or maybe checking for her dad. With the shaking hands thing, I wonder if it's a normal thing in poker tournaments, etc--at least in other countries. I'm not a gambler so wouldn't know.

Just as an item of interest, I was reading a 3 page excerpt from Beth Holloway's book and one of the things Joran told her was she was so drunk she told him she was a lesbian and something about Nazis. We know he lies but if Natalee did say that would Stephany saying the same thing have triggered a reaction? Just thought it was interesting.

 

[3doglady]

I don't think that is true. We have seen the timestamped videos of when he left the room and the hotel for the final time.
8:39:37
— Hotel female housekeeper arrives with Joran to open the door. She tries a couple of keys. The door is opened at 8:39:47.
08:56:45
— Joran van der Sloot is captured on hallway camera leaving room 309 in the Hotel Tac with a backpack and a satchel or dufflebag. Supposedly he tells the hotel person downstairs that 'his girl is still in the room, so don't disturb'. He says he will be back.

A male hotel employee opened the door for him in the video. I don't know about the time, just repeating what GVS said.

 

[omegagal]

The stories about Joran killing a dog, having psychiatric problems, etc., really need to be sourced, I think. Joran has been accused of so many things like that, and to my knowledge, none of them have ever been verified. It was claimed earlier that none of his friends are coming forward to defend him- on the contrary, as I mentioned before, there is a large group of girls on Facebook who are publicly stating that Joran always treated them well (I think most, or all of them, are supposedly ex-girlfriends of his).

In the same vein, there has been a lot of armchair psychiatry, on this forum, and on too many American t.v. discussion shows. John Kelly, Beth's attorney, evidently feels qualified to say whether someone is a psychopath or not by staring into their eyss. That's not exactly scientific. Maybe the Peruvians can throw Joran into a lake; if he drowns, he was innocent, and he floats, then he's a witch.

I may wind up being the last person left defending him, but I firmly believe Joran did not cause Natalee'd disappearance, and is being framed in Peru.

Psychopathy is diagnosed with the help of the person's friends, peers and relatives so John Kelly having an opinion on this is not unrealistic. Psychopaths do not seek treatment so finding them in a clinical environment is extremely rare. It's their victims that seek treatment, the psychopath doesn't think there's anything wrong with them. That's why most of the research on ASPD is done in prisons and with psychopathy in industrial psychology and domestic abuse situations. To compare it to colonial America's test for witchcraft??? Are you serious.... I know you want to be objective but you may want to read about psychopathy if you want to discuss diagnostic criteria...There's quite a bit of good information out there. Look for Robert Hare... He's the world expert and has written quite a bit.
ther_beatingA_Dead

 

[laura08]

Joran had his picture posted on hot or not with another female. I found the image on google. With a blonde female, not sure if it was here or on google, I read about him using a blonde girls avatar for poker matches. Maybe the same girl.

 

[i.b.nora]

A male hotel employee opened the door for him in the video. I don't know about the time, just repeating what GVS said.

Oh dear, you are right! I just looked at it again, it is a male, a very tiny male.

 

[Salem]

I'm gonna start a new thread so hang on to anything you are typing.

Salem

ETA: please continue here: Joran Van der Sloot Confesses to Murdering Stephany Flores Ramirez #6 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community