Maybe they'll address it when they cover timeframe of arrest? Does that mean poor Tony will have to fly back to testify again? I'd really like to see it!
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Maybe they'll address it when they cover timeframe of arrest? Does that mean poor Tony will have to fly back to testify again? I'd really like to see it!
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This is the first time I've ever seen her look positively BLEAK. Like she understands the hole she dug for herself and she knows that she's alienated all of her support.
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Watching former friend after former friend, I kept thinking KC Anthony - this was your life. It had to be harsh for her, seeing all those people she concidered close friends admit it was all a lie and seeing up close and personal how they have all moved on, literally.
If she ever entertained thoughts of going back to life as she knew it, those fantasies are gone - she's all alone...
HHJBP was magnificent when he questioned TL. There is no way he is going to let this trial disintegrate into a farce. He sliced through JB's murky insinuations like a hot knife through butter. It was breathtaking.
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After some reflection I've realized that there is another reason I do not care for Tony. I thought my dislike was primarily because of his "LongIslandness." I'm trying very, very hard to follow the rules. My intention is not to be rude or cruel. This post is just my opinion.
After reading this thread I think that I'm the only one who feels this way.
Sometimes it's hard to convey what is in my head into words.
Perhaps if I tried a "hypothetical situation" I could tie it in to how I feel.
Let's say my "sister" is following a armoured bank van doing rounds and a big 'ole bag falls out of the back on the van. The driver and person in the shotgun seat fail to notice, and drive away. Sis gets out of her car, looks into the bag and sees a slew of money in the bag. She gets back into her car with the bag and phones the police ASAP, or the bank if the phone number is handy...you get the idea. Returns the money and goes about her business. She prays for the 2 men in that van, and hopes that they won't get into too much trouble.
End of story.
If only...
She then goes home and does her thing, checks her mailbox, listens to phone messages, greets and hugs the dog; all of the usual coming home stuff. Half hour later, just before her husband arrives home the phone starts ringing off the wall, there are news vans all over the place, strangers banging on her door, dogs barking up a storm. Her world has gone beserk. The mayor offers her a key to the city... yadda yadda... Aesop I'm not.
All of this because she's done the "right" thing. Huh?
Years later she meets a toddler in line at the grocery store. Toddler is adorable, the most gorgeous eyes, sweet as can be. Engages with the toddler while waiting on the line to checkout. Her encounter with this precious child lasts all of 10 minutes. The person that is with the toddler is a tad odd but aren't we all?
Three days later she's reading the newspaper and finds out the toddler was murdered and found dumped in a ditch. Perp. turns out to be the person that was in the grocery store with her. Meets with LE every time she is asked, follows every direction/suggestion of the police. Refuses interviews, becomes a pivotal witness in the trial. And for the rest of her life will always feel pain.
Present day. Sis has come to love a child that she has never met. Not once.
Never saw in person. This gorgeous child was murdered and thrown into a swamp in woods.
Why in heaven's name is this young man getting kudos? For what? His cooperation? He didn't sell photo's? His life is ruined for ever and ever? The inconvenience of it all. He was dragged by the hair and forced to have a relationship with the defendant. Evidently, he was using some other part of his anatomy other than his brain, not unusual. I feel that he was smug and arrogant. He wants to get out of Dodge and forget about this whole mess?
This entire post explains why I feel the way I do about Tony and that is...
What about Caylee? What about Caylee? His entire testimony lacked any emotion regarding Caylee Marie Anthony.
After reading this thread I think that I'm the only one who feels this way.
Sometimes it's hard to convey what is in my head into words.
Perhaps if I tried a "hypothetical situation" I could tie it in to how I feel.
Let's say my "sister" is following a armoured bank van doing rounds and a big 'ole bag falls out of the back on the van. The driver and person in the shotgun seat fail to notice, and drive away. Sis gets out of her car, looks into the bag and sees a slew of money in the bag. She gets back into her car with the bag and phones the police ASAP, or the bank if the phone number is handy...you get the idea. Returns the money and goes about her business. She prays for the 2 men in that van, and hopes that they won't get into too much trouble.
End of story.
If only...
She then goes home and does her thing, checks her mailbox, listens to phone messages, greets and hugs the dog; all of the usual coming home stuff. Half hour later, just before her husband arrives home the phone starts ringing off the wall, there are news vans all over the place, strangers banging on her door, dogs barking up a storm. Her world has gone beserk. The mayor offers her a key to the city... yadda yadda... Aesop I'm not.
All of this because she's done the "right" thing. Huh?
Years later she meets a toddler in line at the grocery store. Toddler is adorable, the most gorgeous eyes, sweet as can be. Engages with the toddler while waiting on the line to checkout. Her encounter with this precious child lasts all of 10 minutes. The person that is with the toddler is a tad odd but aren't we all?
Three days later she's reading the newspaper and finds out the toddler was murdered and found dumped in a ditch. Perp. turns out to be the person that was in the grocery store with her. Meets with LE every time she is asked, follows every direction/suggestion of the police. Refuses interviews, becomes a pivotal witness in the trial. And for the rest of her life will always feel pain.
Present day. Sis has come to love a child that she has never met. Not once.
Never saw in person. This gorgeous child was murdered and thrown into a swamp in woods.
Why in heaven's name is this young man getting kudos? For what? His cooperation? He didn't sell photo's? His life is ruined for ever and ever? The inconvenience of it all. He was dragged by the hair and forced to have a relationship with the defendant. Evidently, he was using some other part of his anatomy other than his brain, not unusual. I feel that he was smug and arrogant. He wants to get out of Dodge and forget about this whole mess?
This entire post explains why I feel the way I do about Tony and that is...
What about Caylee? What about Caylee? His entire testimony lacked any emotion regarding Caylee Marie Anthony.
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Is the State finished with TL? I don't think so. Why haven't they questioned him on the "nightmares" and "cold sweats" that ICA was waking up with in the middle of the night? Its in his depo.
Does anyone think they'll call him back and question him about this?
Does anyone think they'll call him back and question him about this?
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I think to question him about that would be iffy WOO. If JB had "gone there" they would have had to address it during cross. Since JB was unable or too inept to illicit this testimony without leading him down the path to it.
I do not know why the SA should introduce the subject. The nightmares and nightsweats testimony can only serve to imply that ICA had something to fear and would leave the impression that maybe they were the result of her "abuse".
Not helpful to the State and very helpful the the Defense. I was pleasantly surprised that that did not come up. moo
I do not know why the SA should introduce the subject. The nightmares and nightsweats testimony can only serve to imply that ICA had something to fear and would leave the impression that maybe they were the result of her "abuse".
Not helpful to the State and very helpful the the Defense. I was pleasantly surprised that that did not come up. moo
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Didn't know where else to put this but figured it best fit here.
So, I finally got around to watching the last half of today's testimony and noticed that the judge seemed to think that the motive the state has come up with (Casey wanting Caylee out of the way so that she could do as she pleased) for murder is silly. He even kinda laughed at the suggestion (when state was trying to introduce the messages between Casey and Tony and the reasons why).
What do you all think about that? Do you think the state will continue on with using that excuse/reason for motive?
So, I finally got around to watching the last half of today's testimony and noticed that the judge seemed to think that the motive the state has come up with (Casey wanting Caylee out of the way so that she could do as she pleased) for murder is silly. He even kinda laughed at the suggestion (when state was trying to introduce the messages between Casey and Tony and the reasons why).
What do you all think about that? Do you think the state will continue on with using that excuse/reason for motive?
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IMO TL feels like most of us. Even if ICA was SA it is no excuse to kill your child! I kinda think he downplayed whatever ICA told him kinda like a Scroo yoo to ICA! "How dare you kill that baby girl and try and stick me in the middle. Right back at cha girl! You made my life hell so here ya go! "
MOO
* and to spend the entire next day doing??? in bed~ that's SICK!!!
MOO
* and to spend the entire next day doing??? in bed~ that's SICK!!!
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I noticed that as well, CP. I also noticed that he sort of facetiously brought up the idea that ICA may have wanted to kill her parents too and then quickly shut down any further discussion about it as if it was a preposterous theory. I personally think that may have very well been her intention.
I don't know what to make of it. I do believe HHJP is a very smart, fair and open minded man. And look at all the bull hocky theories he let JB throw out there. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
I for one do believe it was the reason...I also think she wanted them all gone---GA,CA & Caylee....that way she didn't need to report to anyone about anyting...look at what she wanted in "Casey World"---all the sucesses she has viewed from those who testified is what she was trying to portray..--it is scary the lengths she went thru for her lies....
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HHJP: bring him back. Tony L.
TL: states name
all rise for the jury
HHJP: hello ladies and gentlemen of the jury.
FG: from that picture do you know what that is?
an orentation sheet from Full Sail
FG: on that photo is is registration from where
Full Sail, to get your badge, and intro to school
FG: is there handwriting? your name?
yes, and Cameron
FG: on the top there are words
that is the address I was staying at with Cam
FG: is that your handwriting?
yes
FG: does that document with the wording and the handwriting, the wording the same?
yes
FG: was that in your apt?
yes
FG: left for ny june 30th return?
?
FG: contact with defendant once a day?
yes
FG: return on july 5th
yes
FG: who picked u up?
Casey
FG: what car?
mine, went back to my apt, later went to buffalo wild wings, she wanted me to meet her friends
FG: did you meet friends?
yes
FG: from july 10 to 15th
yes
FG: any change in her behavior since you left
no sir
FG: is showing Tony something.
it is a receipt to blockbuster
FG: is you name on there?
yes
FG: a date?
June 18th 2008
FG: is that your receipt?
yes
FG: does it say on that receipt what you rented?
(side bar)
TL: states name
all rise for the jury
HHJP: hello ladies and gentlemen of the jury.
FG: from that picture do you know what that is?
an orentation sheet from Full Sail
FG: on that photo is is registration from where
Full Sail, to get your badge, and intro to school
FG: is there handwriting? your name?
yes, and Cameron
FG: on the top there are words
that is the address I was staying at with Cam
FG: is that your handwriting?
yes
FG: does that document with the wording and the handwriting, the wording the same?
yes
FG: was that in your apt?
yes
FG: left for ny june 30th return?
?
FG: contact with defendant once a day?
yes
FG: return on july 5th
yes
FG: who picked u up?
Casey
FG: what car?
mine, went back to my apt, later went to buffalo wild wings, she wanted me to meet her friends
FG: did you meet friends?
yes
FG: from july 10 to 15th
yes
FG: any change in her behavior since you left
no sir
FG: is showing Tony something.
it is a receipt to blockbuster
FG: is you name on there?
yes
FG: a date?
June 18th 2008
FG: is that your receipt?
yes
FG: does it say on that receipt what you rented?
(side bar)
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HHJP: you may okay mr George
FG: thank you sir can you tell from that receipt when you went to blockbuster?
June 16th 2008
FG: what time where they wented 19:58 hours?
seven o'clock
FG: when you rented those movies was the defendant with you?
yes
(long pause)
FG: thank you sir can you tell from that receipt when you went to blockbuster?
June 16th 2008
FG: what time where they wented 19:58 hours?
seven o'clock
FG: when you rented those movies was the defendant with you?
yes
(long pause)
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FG: I want to direct your attention to July 16th were you at home?
me and nate
FG: what were you doing?
playing X box
FG: who else?
Casey
FG: had she been there all day, we are talking July 15th
baseball
FG: while you and nate were playing x box what happened?
knock at the door, come in, it was Amy Casey's friend. They looked at each other and they walked out. We went back to playing our game, Casey came running in, her mother was now standing at the door.
FG: had you met Cindy before?
no
FG: not stating what others said what did Casey say?
No, I'm coming back
FG: what did you do?
sat there in shock
FG: how long in apt?
no even a minute
FG: what happened then?
they left
FG: what was your reaction?
someone's in trouble
FG: call her?
I figured they had something to work out and I would hear from her.
I waited a while and called her phone and realized her phone was at the apt. I called amy because she showed up at the door.
FG: when the deputy came, did you say anything to him?
no sir
FG: did you give him anything?
her cell phone
FG: did you give the deputy anything else?
no
FG: how long was he there?
how long it took to give phone
FG: after the deputy left did you receive any calls?
no
FG: ?
Deputy came back
FG: how long after?
not long, an hour
FG: ?
I allowed the deputy search my apt.
FG: did he search?
yes
FG: did he leave with anything?
no
FG: he leaves
yes
FG: anyone else come?
Lee Anthony, came between nine and 12
FG: his demeanor?
Concerned, very concerned
FG: did you give anything to Lee?
yes
FG: did you ask him what was going on?
yes
before the deputy came, i got a phone call from Lee
FG: what did you give to Lee?
bag of clothes of Casey's and a laptop
FG: were these items he specifically asked for?
yes
FG: duffel bag?
duffel bag, when the deputy came he grabbed the bag and brought it to my kitchen table.
FG: did the deputy pack the bag?
no
FG: did you allow Lee to leave with that bag and laptop?
yes sir
FG: what was your reaction after lee left
wow, in light of everything that had happened in a couple of hours...
FG: any other visitors?
no
FG: try to contact Casey?
no
FG: 16th of july?
yes, text message
HHJP: you may
FG: LY take a moment to look thru that briefly.
me and nate
FG: what were you doing?
playing X box
FG: who else?
Casey
FG: had she been there all day, we are talking July 15th
baseball
FG: while you and nate were playing x box what happened?
knock at the door, come in, it was Amy Casey's friend. They looked at each other and they walked out. We went back to playing our game, Casey came running in, her mother was now standing at the door.
FG: had you met Cindy before?
no
FG: not stating what others said what did Casey say?
No, I'm coming back
FG: what did you do?
sat there in shock
FG: how long in apt?
no even a minute
FG: what happened then?
they left
FG: what was your reaction?
someone's in trouble
FG: call her?
I figured they had something to work out and I would hear from her.
I waited a while and called her phone and realized her phone was at the apt. I called amy because she showed up at the door.
FG: when the deputy came, did you say anything to him?
no sir
FG: did you give him anything?
her cell phone
FG: did you give the deputy anything else?
no
FG: how long was he there?
how long it took to give phone
FG: after the deputy left did you receive any calls?
no
FG: ?
Deputy came back
FG: how long after?
not long, an hour
FG: ?
I allowed the deputy search my apt.
FG: did he search?
yes
FG: did he leave with anything?
no
FG: he leaves
yes
FG: anyone else come?
Lee Anthony, came between nine and 12
FG: his demeanor?
Concerned, very concerned
FG: did you give anything to Lee?
yes
FG: did you ask him what was going on?
yes
before the deputy came, i got a phone call from Lee
FG: what did you give to Lee?
bag of clothes of Casey's and a laptop
FG: were these items he specifically asked for?
yes
FG: duffel bag?
duffel bag, when the deputy came he grabbed the bag and brought it to my kitchen table.
FG: did the deputy pack the bag?
no
FG: did you allow Lee to leave with that bag and laptop?
yes sir
FG: what was your reaction after lee left
wow, in light of everything that had happened in a couple of hours...
FG: any other visitors?
no
FG: try to contact Casey?
no
FG: 16th of july?
yes, text message
HHJP: you may
FG: LY take a moment to look thru that briefly.
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FG: you recognize this?
it is a text message convo between me and Casey
FG: do you recognize the phone number and that text on the morning of july 16th?
yes
FG: a fair and accurate representation of the convo you had with her?
HHJP: received in evidence
(long pause)
FG: is this the first text july 16th
yes
FG: subject line
I am so sorry for not telling you.
FG: next?
I am so sorry for not telling you what happened. I need you and loved you more than you know.
FG: is this the first question you ask her? Where is Caylee?
yes, sir
FG: her response?
I honestly don't know
FG: you?
I don't know...are you serious?
FG: what was your mood at this time?
angry, worried.
FG: next one, top one says I don't know are you serious?
I have been filling reports all night driving around with LE to the apt I took her to. I am the worst ****ing person in the entire world I don't know what I will do if something happens to her.
FG: next?
too long lets just leave it at that
FG: ?
why would'n't you tell me when I care about you and your daughter?
I trust my daughter with some psyco how does that look.
FG: what is IDK
I don't know. I don't know what to say I hope your daughter is ok I will help you and LE
FG: next one
I was put in handcuffs for almost ten min and sat in the back of a LE car the best thing in my life has gone missing and I don't know if I will see her again.
I am the dumbest person and the worst mother I honestly hate myself
The most important thing is getting Caylee back I hope you can forgive me my family won't we know my family.
FG: next?
I said, who is this zanny nanny person?
FG: prior to that you had heard of a nanny, zanny?
yes
FG: zenaidia?
yes
FG: you ask who is zanny and she says
she was jeffs nanny before she became mine.
FG: next one at seven
she texts: I'm scared, yeah almost 12 hours of stuff finally getting a shower I feel like hell.
FG: next are you asking questions here?
where did you drop off Caylee the last time you saw her? she said at the apt at the bottom of the stairs. Sawgrass apartments.
FG: she goes on to say
have told and showed the police the apt.
FG: next
told them and drove out there with two different officers, just got back
FG: ?
if they don't find her guess who gets blamed and spends an eternity in jail
FG: you say
no **** this is serious why didn't you say anything to anyone?
FG: you say
oh, and why are you texting me and not calling (he says)
FG: ?
I have talked to two people connected to zanny, I was scared to admit it I was scared something was going to happen to my baby.
FG: after the exchange in text did you speak on phone?
I called her
FG: what did you say?
where is Caylee?
FG: first question?
yes sir
FG: her response?
I don't know. I was angry. Lied to. betrayed. It is hard to explain everything at once.
FG: when she said she didn't know what did you say?
how do you not know. How do you not know where your daughter is, a convo that was going no where.
FG: you have class that day?
after a while of asking and going no where, not getting an answer just getting I don't know every time. I said I have to go to class and I hung up the phone.
it is a text message convo between me and Casey
FG: do you recognize the phone number and that text on the morning of july 16th?
yes
FG: a fair and accurate representation of the convo you had with her?
HHJP: received in evidence
(long pause)
FG: is this the first text july 16th
yes
FG: subject line
I am so sorry for not telling you.
FG: next?
I am so sorry for not telling you what happened. I need you and loved you more than you know.
FG: is this the first question you ask her? Where is Caylee?
yes, sir
FG: her response?
I honestly don't know
FG: you?
I don't know...are you serious?
FG: what was your mood at this time?
angry, worried.
FG: next one, top one says I don't know are you serious?
I have been filling reports all night driving around with LE to the apt I took her to. I am the worst ****ing person in the entire world I don't know what I will do if something happens to her.
FG: next?
too long lets just leave it at that
FG: ?
why would'n't you tell me when I care about you and your daughter?
I trust my daughter with some psyco how does that look.
FG: what is IDK
I don't know. I don't know what to say I hope your daughter is ok I will help you and LE
FG: next one
I was put in handcuffs for almost ten min and sat in the back of a LE car the best thing in my life has gone missing and I don't know if I will see her again.
I am the dumbest person and the worst mother I honestly hate myself
The most important thing is getting Caylee back I hope you can forgive me my family won't we know my family.
FG: next?
I said, who is this zanny nanny person?
FG: prior to that you had heard of a nanny, zanny?
yes
FG: zenaidia?
yes
FG: you ask who is zanny and she says
she was jeffs nanny before she became mine.
FG: next one at seven
she texts: I'm scared, yeah almost 12 hours of stuff finally getting a shower I feel like hell.
FG: next are you asking questions here?
where did you drop off Caylee the last time you saw her? she said at the apt at the bottom of the stairs. Sawgrass apartments.
FG: she goes on to say
have told and showed the police the apt.
FG: next
told them and drove out there with two different officers, just got back
FG: ?
if they don't find her guess who gets blamed and spends an eternity in jail
FG: you say
no **** this is serious why didn't you say anything to anyone?
FG: you say
oh, and why are you texting me and not calling (he says)
FG: ?
I have talked to two people connected to zanny, I was scared to admit it I was scared something was going to happen to my baby.
FG: after the exchange in text did you speak on phone?
I called her
FG: what did you say?
where is Caylee?
FG: first question?
yes sir
FG: her response?
I don't know. I was angry. Lied to. betrayed. It is hard to explain everything at once.
FG: when she said she didn't know what did you say?
how do you not know. How do you not know where your daughter is, a convo that was going no where.
FG: you have class that day?
after a while of asking and going no where, not getting an answer just getting I don't know every time. I said I have to go to class and I hung up the phone.
I noticed a lack of real concern and search involvement among most of the young adults that were friends with ICA, right from the start (day 31). There wasnt a real intense involvement in the searches, nor were most putting up posters, etc.(I remember even sawgrass apts didn't have posters up and i thought that unusual considering.).I'm sure a couple did get involved, but most just seemed to be shocked, annoyed at the intrusion, and then went on their way without assisting in the searches. Compared to the teens and young adults in other cases, i was expecting more from these kids, but never saw it.
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" What was I supposed to say? That I trusted my daughter with some psyco- how does that look?"
How does that LOOK? Once again, it is not about Caylee, but all about Casey.She worries about how she will look to others, and not about what happened to Caylee,as usual.
How does that LOOK? Once again, it is not about Caylee, but all about Casey.She worries about how she will look to others, and not about what happened to Caylee,as usual.
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I think these young adults did more than they are getting credit for. All of them told the truth, went to the Anthony's to create a timeline. I am sure when they found out and started putting it together and saw what her parents were doing, in regards to the police, they were so shocked, believed Caylee to be gone, and grieved in their own way while trying to continue on with their life. Not one of these kids got off the hook emotionally in this nightmare ICA created. And most of them had only met Caylee a couple of times, thus they had no idea what life was really like for her in ICA's hands.