trial day 36: the defense continues its case in chief #105

[TigerBalm]

Jodi already used ALV as her 'back up' that she had told someone about TA looking at dirty lil boy pictures/ So imo, the killer is expecting this expert to back up that story.

And as for the professional opinion that TA was an abusive BF, she is going to rely upon the texts and emails to do so, imo. If you take it out of context it is easy to make a case for that.

The only reason ALV is on the stand is to paint TA as an abusive partner that forced the killer to slaughter him.

BBM
And Juan has on tape LaViolette stating the defendant told her the photos were on the computer.

The computer where no photos were found!

 

[Maryann123]

She kicked a dog! :furious:

I have no tolerance for people who abuse animals. :gavel: Let alone abuse other human beings.

I think it's worse than just kicking a dog. She started out by saying the dog was tied up, or fenced in. After she kicked the dog, she never saw it again. How the hell did the dog get away if it was tied up/fenced in? I always think the worst of this woman, so I think she probably killed that poor dog. Hope I'm wrong!

 

[audreyparker]

I have known two serious cases in my life. One was grossly physically and emotionally for years and was almost killed by his wife when she threw scalding hot water on him when she was in one of her rages. The other one was a co-worker of my hubby's. A wonderful man and caring father. His wife abused him all during their 18 year marriage and when he had enough courage to leave her she shot him 6 times in the back and then stood over him and shot him in the head two days before their divorce would have been finalized.

There are many many more but they don't tell anyone and its because society dismisses abuse suffered by a male at the hands of a dangerous female.:banghead: And women like ALV are part of the problem.......not the solution.

IMO

Those are terrible stories, I'm so sorry!

I think there are many men who are victims of DV and they don't speak about it for a variety of reasons. I think women can do just as much damage as a man, especially if their victims are men who believe they should never hit or be violent with a woman. I think this happened with Travis. I think he totally underestimated how dangerous JA was and I think that by the time he realized he was going to have to hurt her to save himself, it was too late.

Many people think women couldn't possibly be violent, but that's just not true. Just watch Snapped!! :what:

 

[Liebchenmutti]

All Juan has to do is ask her if she's aware that Jodi has lied ever since she could talk in this case. All her conclusions will be based on what Jodi told her. So we should doubt her conclusions due to the fact that we know Jodi lies.

Garbage in = Garbage out

 

[norcat]

Whoa. Is anybody watching Nancy Grace right now? She's showing a part of JA's interview with the detective that I've never seen before where she's relating an "anger" incident with a dog the Arias' once had. She says the dog was tied up in the back yard with lots of "leeway"' on the leash and got in her way when she was taking out a trash bag of her younger brother or sister's dirty diapers and she was angry at having to clean up the scattered mess. She said that she "kicked the dog - not hard or anything - he didn't yelp" and then she relates that she never saw the dog again without explaining what happened to him. Wasn't someone wondering aloud last week if she had a history of killing animals? I mean, really. Assuming that she didn't leave her parents home forever that night and assuming her parents didn't take the dog to the pound that night for having ripped open a bag of trash - how is it that she "never saw" that dog again?

My neighbor attends an exercise class here in Redding, CA. The instructor is from Yreka and her sister was friends with JA. The instructor mentioned to my neighbor that she had killed animals. I took it with a grain of salt, but maybe she really did.

 

[Pink Potion]

I have noticed 3 different times that Jodi is trying to tell JW something about one of the jurors. After the 5 minute break when the jury was, walking in Jodi stood up on her tippy toes and looked at one of the jurors and then whispered to JW. She has whispered and had JW look over at the jury box 2 other times today...hmmm wonder what she is up to? It could be something else but its bugging me...although everything Jodi does bugs me!! Hmmmmm

 

[marciec]

Good grief, NG has said TWICE now that Samuels is a witness for the state.. and she never corrects herself either.. bugs me..

 

[Nezumi]

And the dog was tied up?

Did anybody check her shower? Just kidding. It is HIGHLY indicative of an abuser to mistreat animals.

Fun trivia fact: the first ever case to protect an abused child was brought by the ASPCA. There were no laws against maltreatment of children, but they were able to come to court by arguing that the child was being treated as an animal and therefore deserved the same protections.

Yep. But on a "long leash" and "in the shade" so says the murderess.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Oh good God, this new tape is just too much. Did she just say she was really worried?......about Mimi?

 

[Sleuth13]

has anyone else noticed Arias slightly grinning each time now when the jurors are leaving the courtroom and today how Arias whispered to Wilmott at that time, looking very excited at that moment.

IMO, there's most likely 1 male juror who is making eye contact with Arias and she's thinking this juror is probably on her side.


that scares me...

Don't be scared!! KCL has said on many occasions that the jurors aren't even looking at her AT ALL. You know JA is all about "show" so she probably is doing that for all the tv viewers!! I don't care how she acts in front of the camera, I believe our WS court watchers 110% that the jury is NOT into her

 

[Ransom]

And the dog was tied up?

Did anybody check her shower? Just kidding. It is HIGHLY indicative of an abuser to mistreat animals.

Fun trivia fact: the first ever case to protect an abused child was brought by the ASPCA. There were no laws against maltreatment of children, but they were able to come to court by arguing that the child was being treated as an animal and therefore deserved the same protections.

Mary Ellen Wilson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ElleElle]

Don't know if this was posted; interesting read.

http://www.alycelaviolette.com/Beyond-The-Axis-Of-Evil.htm

 

[Ammonitida]

A lot of people are fooled by someone they think is grandma-like. It's really absurd. She is paid to work for Jodi.

Re: The nonsense about "hearing what she has to say" guys, she's not paid to be objective. They're not going to put anyone up there who isn't going to offer testimony favorable to JA.

Seriously, this is the same woman who argued in a hearing that Jodi's pedophile accusation was relevant to the case and should be heard in court. Juan tried to keep it out but this expert won over the judge. She is going to DESTROY Travis with Jodi's lies, in fact she will go even further than Jodi. As evil as Jodi is, she still has her limits to trashing him. Indeed she has even stuck up for him in ways that can not be explained as "downplaying the abuser's violence". For example, she fought with Nurmi over the sleep sex claim and told the jury Travis had been groggy and not fully conscious -- characterizing it as sexomnia which **** Nurmi's questioning down. She also admitted to having ravishment fantasies involving Travis, something she did not have to say (and this also shut Numri down).

 

[paperwing]

Why is this an issue, I don't get it? I agree comments are unnecessary about her personal life. I'd like to hear what she has to say. I do think Travis was more of a candidate for DV than Jodie was. She kept him on a short lease by way of sex. You can see he liked what they were doing and was very unlikely to turn her away if she showed up at the door.

Can she diagnose Jodi? And again all the information will be coming from Jodi unless ALV spoke with the Travis' family and friends.

One thing I did pick up on was ALV mentioned her children twice in reference to her having to work and JM had to object. If she has the experience she claims to have testifying in court she knew not to mention them a second time but did it anyway. That leads me to believe it was deliberate and not a mere accident on her part or slipup. jmo

bbm - I didn't know it was an issue - I was just responding to commspecialist's post hoping that homophobia wouldn't rear it's ugly head here...

Oddly enough, I saw the comment right after ALV mentioned expanding the program to include same-sex couples - so that's what I thought it was about.

I didn't (until reading more) realize this was about ALV herself - and her sexuality never occurred to me, just as it hasn't for any other witness...

I will say that I am pretty sensitive about anti-gay sentiment. My dad was gay (he tried to fight it - was married, never divorced had girlfriends all through college before marriage, had children - thanks, Dad!... a long life of pretending, loving my mum but... and I helped him through and watched him slowly and horribly be destroyed by AIDS. I do not tolerate bashing whatsoever - EVER.

I do understand simple well-meaning curiosity, and that usually either gets answered fairly quickly or gets irrelevant even quicker.

At least we as a society seem to be headed to a time when this aspect of a person will be as significant as their eye color and I hope that comes sooner rather than later.

Per ALV, I appreciate her work with abuse victims and abusers, too. I can respect that and still have a big cloud of skepticism about how honest she will be regarding THIS case because it doesn't fall within statistical norms... and general attributes/behaviours of male batterers (with exceptions, of course) are not the same as those in female batterers (with exceptions, of course).

I think the DT chose ALV specifically because of her focus on female victims (which is not, in itself a *bad* thing - it just seems misplaced in this instance. Which is what the DT wants because they absoLUTEly do not want to acknowledge any abusive behaviour perpetrated BY JA on Travis... so they get a very well-established expert that deals primarily/specifically with female victims. It's obvious and transparent).

I found it interesting that ALV mentioned expanding the program to include same-sex couples, but no mention of male victims of female batterers.

I don't think it's as rare as one might assume... but a male victim is probably even LESS likely to seek help or be believed, and a female abuser may be far harder to recognize - or believed.

Who cares about ALVs personal life??? Not me! Unless she has an awesome dog - I'd be interested to know that.

As far as how much she is getting paid - my guess is a good deal more than Samuels. But that's all it is my guess.

Good post LambChop. Thank you.

 

[spcagrl]

Wow....the interrogation tape. Flores tells JA that they know she had a 25 auto and that "you guys" reported it stolen. He goes on to say that "we've recovered the AMMUNITION AND IT MATCHES".

 

[panthera]

So she abused a dog, and abused a cat. What a rotten excuse for a human.

I suspect that wasn't the only time she abused that dog. She kicked her mom, she kicked the dog. Hopefully the justice dept will now kick her....

IF I had ever kicked my mother, may she rest in peace, she wouldn't be sitting in the courtroom. I would be on my own.

MOO

 

[Sydni]

I am NOT worried about this Defense Witness, the DV woman because Martinez is going to set her straight REAL quick when he gets his chance to go at her. However, Martinez MUST stop getting so wrapped up in these Defense so called experts because they are testifying to LIES told by the Defendant. They are in fact LYING on the stand about things that DID NOT HAPPEN so their testimony does NOT MATTER. They are testifying to LIES told by Arias and therefore their viewpoints are NULL. Martinez needs to got going with the Rebuttal, I would bet money the Jury is getting fatigued, this trial has dragged on and on by constant feet dragging by the Defense, Nurmi and HIS SLOW Motion questioning, the Judge and her bankers hours trial schedules and the constant intentional delays by the Defense when ever they are getting clobbered by Martinez they object and whine like little girls about approaching the bench. This needs to get going before the Jury is LOST for good.

I'm not worried either. But I do feel a real snoozer coming on for the rest of the week.

Also I agree with the general consensus .... no homophobia!! It's not relevant and sexual preference should be "okay" with all of us :rocker:

 

[panthera]

Wow....the interrogation tape. Flores tells JA that they know she had a 25 auto and that "you guys" reported it stolen. He goes on to say that "we've recovered the AMMUNITION AND IT MATCHES".

The interrogation tapes are far more interesting than what went on inside the courtroom today!!

 

[Donnareit]

I would start marinating that hat in meat tenderizer, because she is absolutely going to be asked those questions. And she would not be on the stand if she was not going to stick to the DT script.

Naw, I'm in AZ not TX. I just have a straw hat so catsup should do fine. :angel:

 

[momof7]

Well, maybe she will have a zinger for us like Samuels did. One of those doesn't get out of jail free things.

I am going to hold judgment until we start to hear how she testifies and what is the reaction when she is cross examined. Lets face it, Samuels did not even sound believable, some of that stuff made no sense. It was very contradictory.

Personally, I don't think that this witness can really do much to save the case. If she was planning on being the mitigator, maybe she is just trying to save her from DP as opposed to gain her freedom from abuse.

IDK, IMHO and all that stuff, but as the case goes on it starts to feel frivilous. I just feel like the credibility for the Defense witnesses thus far has been zero.

Kelly