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    1 When did SDSD first enter the residence?

    2 When did the officer leave the bootprint and what was he doing at the time?

    3 Does the message on the door still exist? Did they give a picture of it to the Zahou family, leading to their statement that it was not painted by Rebecca?

    4 Did they allow anyone to enter the home, prior to the investigation starting/evidence gathering?

    5 Is the evidence 'proving' suicide, still available?

    6 Do all the investigators in the case agree that this was a suicide, or that Max's accident was fully explained?

    For a start. ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SunnieRN View Post
    1 When did SDSD first enter the residence?

    2 When did the officer leave the bootprint and what was he doing at the time?

    3 Does the message on the door still exist? Did they give a picture of it to the Zahou family, leading to their statement that it was not painted by Rebecca?

    4 Did they allow anyone to enter the home, prior to the investigation starting/evidence gathering?

    5 Is the evidence 'proving' suicide, still available?

    6 Do all the investigators in the case agree that this was a suicide, or that Max's accident was fully explained?

    For a start. ;-)
    I thought I recall somewhere in the reports that there was still water on the floor of the bathroom where she supposedly took a shower. No mention though of at what time the wetness was noted. If she showered around 1:AM (when she missed the call) - or even 3:AM right before death - that's still a long time it seems to be for the shower water not to dry, even if it was noted early on around 7-8:AM. Of course,, if the bathroom shower was used later than that.......or also if a lot of water sprayed from the shower onto the floor - more than just the customary drippings from a person as they towel off - that might account for remaining wetness at such a later hour.

    So when was the water noted by LE I wonder.

    Your questions are good ones. I believe Neil Nalepa said he "witnessed" the message, meaning he saw a picture I guess. The other details of when various elements of the investigation happened are a bit cloudy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elementry View Post
    I thought I recall somewhere in the reports that there was still water on the floor of the bathroom where she supposedly took a shower. No mention though of at what time the wetness was noted. If she showered around 1:AM (when she missed the call) - or even 3:AM right before death - that's still a long time it seems to be for the shower water not to dry, even if it was noted early on around 7-8:AM. Of course,, if the bathroom shower was used later than that.......or also if a lot of water sprayed from the shower onto the floor - more than just the customary drippings from a person as they towel off - that might account for remaining wetness at such a later hour.

    So when was the water noted by LE I wonder.

    Your questions are good ones. I believe Neil Nalepa said he "witnessed" the message, meaning he saw a picture I guess. The other details of when various elements of the investigation happened are a bit cloudy.
    A lot of water, as in 'did someone accost her while she was in the shower?'

    Great post!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SunnieRN View Post
    A lot of water, as in 'did someone accost her while she was in the shower?'

    Great post!!
    and/or someone "cleaning up" afterwards.

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    I don't know if anyone else has posted this, but I found this little tidbit to be quite interesting:

    One fireman who works in Coronado whom we interviewed under conditions of anonymity, thought that the finding of suicide was based on "a balance between efficiency and effectiveness", claiming that the City of Coronado's police department was highly efficient, but not as effective in responding to high profile suspicious death incidents.

    He also told us that Coronado wanted to protect its revenue sources that were highly dependent on tourism, that the County Sheriff's office saw this as a "political hot potato", and that both departments, because of political and other concerns, wanted the case closed and forgotten.



    Continue reading on Examiner.com Jonah Shacknai doubted Rebecca Zahau committed suicide - National News Analysis | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/news-analysi...#ixzz1XrrOKbGI

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunnieRN View Post
    1 When did SDSD first enter the residence?

    2 When did the officer leave the bootprint and what was he doing at the time?

    3 Does the message on the door still exist? Did they give a picture of it to the Zahou family, leading to their statement that it was not painted by Rebecca?

    4 Did they allow anyone to enter the home, prior to the investigation starting/evidence gathering?

    5 Is the evidence 'proving' suicide, still available?

    6 Do all the investigators in the case agree that this was a suicide, or that Max's accident was fully explained?

    For a start. ;-)
    Sunnie, I was just re-reading the LE powerpoint tonight and can answer a couple of your questions.

    The ppt says that the Sheriff's Department arrived at 9:20 a.m..

    In the same ppt It also refers to the bootprint belonging to a Police Officer. Members of the Sheriff's Department are called Sheriff's Deputy's or Deputy's. So I imagine that it was a Coronado PD that stepped out onto the balcony when LE first arrived on the scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elementry View Post
    and/or someone "cleaning up" afterwards.
    Yeah, washing acrylic paint off of them. IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcali View Post
    Sunnie, I was just re-reading the LE powerpoint tonight and can answer a couple of your questions.

    The ppt says that the Sheriff's Department arrived at 9:20 a.m..

    In the same ppt It also refers to the bootprint belonging to a Police Officer. Members of the Sheriff's Department are called Sheriff's Deputy's or Deputy's. So I imagine that it was a Coronado PD that stepped out onto the balcony when LE first arrived on the scene.
    In the AR the ME stated he could not enter the bedroom to examine it, as the scene had not been processed. This was at 8 pm.

    Now we know the pictures of the scene were taken at night, and the LE foot print was already there and the doors open. When did the footprint get left and what other evidence was disturbed before the scene was processed?
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    http://www8.nationalacademies.org/on...RecordID=12589

    I hope I've put this link on the correct thread. It was posted by Fred Williams, Former Member, San Diego Crime Commission.

    It states, in summary, that forensic science badly needs an overhaul. IMO this argues against San Diego LE's claim of their "ironclad" case ruling for Rebecca's suicide which relied on forensic science.
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    "Photo two – showing both doors closed – we believe the door on the left was blown closed by a breeze; the door on the right was secured with a bolt-type lock into the floor," [Lt.]Nesbit continued.

    http://www.760kfmb.com/story/1546671...-hanging-death

    If I was a CSI, I'd be embarrassed & ashamed to offer the "breeze" as an excuse as to why the crime scene photographs did not depict the original, unaltered position of an item of evidence that was photographed (the balcony doors), especially after another officer (who was at the crime scene) had previously relayed information during a nationally televised SDSO press conference regarding the official findings of the investigation 12 days prior to the "breeze" excuse to the media.

    Sgt. Nemeth stated on Sept. 2 during the SDSO PC (when the official results of the investigation were reported to the public) that "these doors were open at the time of the incident."

    http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html

    ETA: It begs the question of why are Lt. Nesbit's and Sgt. Nemeth's reports of the crime scene so divergent, in terms of the position of the balcony doors?
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    Quote Originally Posted by justice be served View Post
    http://www8.nationalacademies.org/on...RecordID=12589

    I hope I've put this link on the correct thread. It was posted by Fred Williams, Former Member, San Diego Crime Commission.

    It states, in summary, that forensic science badly needs an overhaul. IMO this argues against San Diego LE's claim of their "ironclad" case ruling for Rebecca's suicide which relied on forensic science.
    When iron corrodes, it forms rust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sorrell skye View Post
    "Photo two showing both doors closed we believe the door on the left was blown closed by a breeze; the door on the right was secured with a bolt-type lock into the floor," [Lt.]Nesbit continued.

    http://www.760kfmb.com/story/1546671...-hanging-death

    If I was a CSI, I'd be embarrassed & ashamed to offer the "breeze" as an excuse as to why the crime scene photographs did not depict the original, unaltered position of an item of evidence that was photographed (the balcony doors), especially after another officer (who was at the crime scene) had previously relayed information during a nationally televised SDSO press conference regarding the official findings of the investigation 12 days prior to the "breeze" excuse to the media.

    Sgt. Nemeth stated on Sept. 2 during the SDSO PC (when the official results of the investigation were reported to the public) that "these doors were open at the time of the incident."

    http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html

    ETA: It begs the question of why are Lt. Nesbit's and Sgt. Nemeth's reports of the crime scene so divergent, in terms of the position of the balcony doors?
    Thank you for bringing this topic over here. Its very helpful to watch the PC again. I catch tidbits of info that I completely missed when I watched it the first time. I was paying less attention to the details, while waiting for the conclusion.

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    I mentioned in another post that there were pieces of evidence or photos not revealed. For instance, from the guest room scene, we were not shown a photo of Rebecca's cell phone, the red stain, or the towel in the hall.

    We were also not shown a photo of the knife that AS used to cut Rebecca down. I wonder if there were red fibers in that photo?

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    So, if we can get a picture that proves closed vs open balcony doors, we know that the doors were touched. This means the entire crime scene was in essence compromised, as we do not know under what circumstances things were handled.

    This would in fact potentially change the entire investigation and outcome of that investigation.

    Since this is the case, I would think that Rebecca's death would have to be re-investigated, as that would prove that someone tampered with the evidence. Someone, (I am guessing LE here), entered the premesis prior to a search warrant being obtained and touvh/moved key pieces of evidence.
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