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StellarsJay said:
July 1, 1999: Athletic director Tim Curley issues a press release announcing Sandusky's decision to retire following the 1999 season. …His achievement as a human being, Curley says, "is splendidly demonstrated by the thousands of youngsters he touches annually through The Second Mile."You figure Curley would say something like that if Paterno didn't want it said?
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He didn't really say this.....did he?

(I highlighted the part of this quote that leaves me speechless)
 
StellarsJay said:
Chronological notes:

1997: Penn State broke ground on the $34 million Paterno Library, after Paterno spearheaded fundraising and personally donated $225,000 to the project.
May 13, 1998: Victim 6--Curley says “Coach wants to know” in email to Schultz.
1998: Paterno and his family donated $3.5 million to Penn State for faculty positions, scholarships and two building projects.
[If these figures are correct, escalating giving from $225K to $3.5MM is a major change.]
1998: Paterno won his 300th game as Penn State's coach
From http://espn.go.com/college-football...tate-nittany-lions-coach-joe-paterno-timeline

Note- If I remember rightly, in the ESPN timeline the Paterno family philanthropy is listed twice- in 1997-8 and again in "2009: Paterno and his wife announced a $1 million pledge to the Mount Nittany Medical Center."
It is not a consistent, annual thing, unless the gifts were pledges over a period of time.

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OK, I'll venture it- my instinct is that these were conscience gifts because he knew about Sandusky in 1998 and something raised the issue again by 2009.

July 1, 1999: Athletic director Tim Curley issues a press release announcing Sandusky's decision to retire following the 1999 season. …His achievement as a human being, Curley says, "is splendidly demonstrated by the thousands of youngsters he touches annually through The Second Mile."
You figure Curley would say something like that if Paterno didn't want it said?
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I know we've been here before, but remember - Sandusky was cleared by all of the investigative agencies in 1998, and it was still thought at that time that he was doing good things through his charity. We can't believe it now, but Curley in 1999 didn't know what we know.

And to the part that I bolded - I know eveyone thinks Paterno ran every aspect of the University, but I highly doubt he had input or veto power over the Athletic Director's speech. ;)
 
It's just the phrase "thousand of youngsters he touches annually through the Second Mile" in regards to Sandusky that makes me shake my head.
 
OilPainter said:
It's just the phrase "thousand of youngsters he touches annually through the Second Mile" in regards to Sandusky that makes me shake my head.
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Oh, I agree. The terrible irony of that quote, and the title of his autobiography, "Touched", has to be a slap in the face to his victims.
 
StellarsJay said:
Chronological notes:

1997: Penn State broke ground on the $34 million Paterno Library, after Paterno spearheaded fundraising and personally donated $225,000 to the project.
May 13, 1998: Victim 6--Curley says “Coach wants to know” in email to Schultz.
1998: Paterno and his family donated $3.5 million to Penn State for faculty positions, scholarships and two building projects.
[If these figures are correct, escalating giving from $225K to $3.5MM is a major change.]
1998: Paterno won his 300th game as Penn State's coach
From http://espn.go.com/college-football...tate-nittany-lions-coach-joe-paterno-timeline

Note- If I remember rightly, in the ESPN timeline the Paterno family philanthropy is listed twice- in 1997-8 and again in "2009: Paterno and his wife announced a $1 million pledge to the Mount Nittany Medical Center."
It is not a consistent, annual thing, unless the gifts were pledges over a period of time.

Edited to add:
OK, I'll venture it- my instinct is that these were conscience gifts because he knew about Sandusky in 1998 and something raised the issue again by 2009.

July 1, 1999: Athletic director Tim Curley issues a press release announcing Sandusky's decision to retire following the 1999 season. …His achievement as a human being, Curley says, "is splendidly demonstrated by the thousands of youngsters he touches annually through The Second Mile."
You figure Curley would say something like that if Paterno didn't want it said?
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I found an article that indicated the date of the $3.5 million donation was January 16, 1998, about 4 months before Sandusky assaulted Victim 6 in the Lasch bldg showers on May 3, 1998.
http://www.margieburns.com/2011/11/penn-state-timeline-raises-further-questions/

It may be that the year of the donation was just a coincidence, although another site indicated the donation occurred two months after the bottled water company Paterno invested in sold to a French company for $112 million. So it could have just been a case of the family reaping a windfall around that time as well.
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/12/05/120511-news-paterno-business-1-5/
 
StellarsJay said:
Chronological notes:

1997: Penn State broke ground on the $34 million Paterno Library, after Paterno spearheaded fundraising and personally donated $225,000 to the project.
May 13, 1998: Victim 6--Curley says “Coach wants to know” in email to Schultz.
1998: Paterno and his family donated $3.5 million to Penn State for faculty positions, scholarships and two building projects.
[If these figures are correct, escalating giving from $225K to $3.5MM is a major change.]
1998: Paterno won his 300th game as Penn State's coach
From http://espn.go.com/college-football...tate-nittany-lions-coach-joe-paterno-timeline

Note- If I remember rightly, in the ESPN timeline the Paterno family philanthropy is listed twice- in 1997-8 and again in "2009: Paterno and his wife announced a $1 million pledge to the Mount Nittany Medical Center."
It is not a consistent, annual thing, unless the gifts were pledges over a period of time.
Edited to add:
OK, I'll venture it- my instinct is that these were conscience gifts because he knew about Sandusky in 1998 and something raised the issue again by 2009.

July 1, 1999: Athletic director Tim Curley issues a press release announcing Sandusky's decision to retire following the 1999 season. …His achievement as a human being, Curley says, "is splendidly demonstrated by the thousands of youngsters he touches annually through The Second Mile."
You figure Curley would say something like that if Paterno didn't want it said?
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Dr Dranov is a member of the Mount Nittany Medical Center BOT. I believe he may have been the chairman at one point.

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Dranov_Jonathan_511255895.aspx
 
wfgodot said:
A short excerpt - a longer one will be published on 20 August - from Joe Posnanski's Paterno book:

Joe Paterno's Last Season (gq.com)
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"My name," he told Jay, "I have spent my whole life trying to make that name mean something. And now it's gone."
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Well, there you go. That pretty much sums it up. Until the very end, he was mored worried about his legacy than he was the plight of the true victims.
 
http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201209/joe-paterno-scandal-joe-posnanski-book-preview

As the Sandusky scandal explodes, the Paterno family hires a high-powered PR specialist, Dan McGinn, to help navigate the storm:

This is when McGinn learned just how far Paterno's influence and reputation had fallen. He asked [family adviser Guido] D'Elia for the name of one person on the Penn State board of trustees, just one, whom they could reach out to, to negotiate a gracious ending. D'Elia shook his head.

"One person on the board, that's all we need," McGinn said.

D'Elia shook his head again. "It began in 2004," he whispered, referring to an old clash Paterno had with [university president Graham] Spanier. "The board started to turn. We don't have anybody on the board now."

That's when McGinn realized that this was going to be the worst day of Joe Paterno's professional life.


Read More http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/2...ndal-joe-posnanski-book-preview#ixzz23dbtpXYU

I wonder what the clash was between Paterno and Spanier, anybody know?
Was the the year when JP was asked to retire and he refused?

Just trying to keep up here. ;P

wm
 
The thought among many at State College that Joe Paterno possesed a "genius" mind can certainly be challenged now....

If he was so concerned with his legacy did he really think that this secret wouldn't come out someday? If only this "genius" mind would have done the right thing - and shouted to every news organization that child rapists will never be protected by the PSU football organization - his legacy would have been perched higher that Mount Nittany.

What a shame....the whole JoePa facade was as weak and ineffectual as he was. His family needs to accept that - and go far, far away from the limelight. They should hang their heads in shame.
 
BigCat said:
Well, there you go. That pretty much sums it up. Until the very end, he was mored worried about his legacy than he was the plight of the true victims.
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Now we know what he meant when he said in his last interview, "I wish I had done more."

sarcasm~
 
Joe Paterno couldn't stop crying after he was fired, according to book excerpt
http://www.nj.com/collegefootball/index.ssf/2012/08/joe_paterno_couldnt_stop_cryin.html

“On Thursday, Paterno met with his coaches at his house. He sobbed uncontrollably. This was his bad day. Later, one of his former captains, Brandon Short, stopped by the house. When Brandon asked, "How are you doing, Coach?" Paterno answered, "I'm okay," but the last syllable was shaky, muffled by crying, and then he broke down and said, "I don't know what I'm going to do with myself." Nobody knew how to handle such emotion. Joe had always seemed invulnerable. On Thursday, though, he cried continually.”

Joe Paterno did not cry for the boys who were raped by Jerry Sandusky. Paterno is scum.
 
waltzingmatilda said:
I googled D'Elia. I had no idea who he was.

http://www.centredaily.com/2012/02/28/3106911/penn-state-football-marketing.html

http://onwardstate.com/2012/02/28/s...ved-of-duties-as-football-marketing-director/

2004-'05 is of interest to me and I am making metal notes of the goings on during that time.

wm
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Interesting that D'Elia was a part owner of the company that did production for the marketing dept.

Conflict of Interest, anyone? Bet his company won all the bids for the work to be done.

Wonder if that department and his role in that department is being investigated for purchasing irregularities. After all, we already know that rules that might be enforced in another Penn State department, didn't necessarily apply to the football program.
 
waltzingmatilda said:
http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201209/joe-paterno-scandal-joe-posnanski-book-preview

As the Sandusky scandal explodes, the Paterno family hires a high-powered PR specialist, Dan McGinn, to help navigate the storm:

I wonder what the clash was between Paterno and Spanier, anybody know?
Was the the year when JP was asked to retire and he refused?
Just trying to keep up here. ;P

wm
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imo a school presdident who goes to a coaches house to fire him and is shown the door and is unable to fire the coach is involved in a clash from that moment forward. he has lost a power struggle he should have won. he is not going to forget that, or get over it, or get past it.
 
Interesting that D'Elia was a part owner of the company that did production for the marketing dept.

Wonder if his company produced the "Nittany Lions Tips" cards that Second Mile distributed and counted the recipients as the "thousands" of kids they reached?

"D'Elia shook his head again. "It began in 2004," he whispered," Whispered? Makes me think of a codger Paterno's age, mafiosi. That dioesn't fit the picture in WM's link.
 
I was reading an article from July on ESPN.com, and I was floored by what I found. These are the sorts of errors that make me wonder how closely many people read the Freeh report. It seems like emotion overtook comprehension for this reporter:

But after Freeh's report revealed Paterno and others failed to notify the police about Sandusky's assaults of young boys in three separate incidents from 1998 to 2001, I think the NCAA should punish Penn State.
http://espn.go.com/college-football...ll-penn-state-nittany-lions-earned-wrath-ncaa

OK, if I am counting right, the 3 incidents he refers to are:
1. 1998 - The police, DPW and the DA were already investigating before "Paterno and others" even heard about the situation.
2. 2000 - Janitors working at night in the Lasch building witnessed Sandusky sexually assaulting a young boy. "Paterno and others" were never to our knowledge even aware of this matter, as the janitors were afraid to report anything.
3. 2001 - Right, we all know that "Paterno and others" big-time dropped the ball on this one.

There are many people that weren't able to read the entire Freeh report, and trust media outlets to summarize for them. If I had read that, not knowing the whole story, I would have had my torch and pitchfork at the ready, just like the author. I don't mind anyone having an opinion, even if it is 180 degrees from mine, but so many people made their minds up with misinformation like this ESPN article.

/rant off
 
OilPainter said:
The thought among many at State College that Joe Paterno possesed a "genius" mind can certainly be challenged now....

If he was so concerned with his legacy did he really think that this secret wouldn't come out someday? If only this "genius" mind would have done the right thing - and shouted to every news organization that child rapists will never be protected by the PSU football organization - his legacy would have been perched higher that Mount Nittany.

What a shame....the whole JoePa facade was as weak and ineffectual as he was. His family needs to accept that - and go far, far away from the limelight. They should hang their heads in shame.
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BBM for focus.

I don't agree. They weren't involved AFAIK; they themselves did nothing shameful.

However, they do need to SHUT UP, accept reality, stop defending their hero who has been proven to have feet of clay at least up to his knees, and fade away out of the limelight.

That I do agree with.
 
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