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Old 08-17-2006, 12:28 AM
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Trish and the rest of all you loyal JBR sleuthers. I followed this case from the beginning, especially as I live in Colorado and it was discussed on every talk show daily for at least a year. Plus the newspapers. I really haven't been active in the forum and have not been keeping up at all.

I have a question that I've been trying to post all day.........yep today right up there with Scott Peterson trial highlights.

OK, when I heard about the e-mails to LE and hints of knowing inside information, I wondered if he ever posted here on WS. Trish would know IP's of members. Any possibility?

Thanks Trish for your information above. This latest is bound to be very interesting.
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Old 08-17-2006, 12:32 AM
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I heard Dr Henry Lee today on MSNBC say that the DNA founda speck of blood in her panties and DNA from under her nails was processed right away - like memorialized and so it will not degrade over time.


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the DNA found under JBR's fingernails was contaminated as the cororner Dr Meyers used the same nail clippers on all nails instead of 10 seperate ones as is the normal procedure. unfortunetly in this case there was one mistake after another.
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Old 08-17-2006, 12:32 AM
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Why do people still cling to this 'foreign' DNA. It was that degraded, forensic investigators couldnt even date it to the time of the murder! even Dr Henry lee said "this is not a DNA case"
because it is used to convict and it is also used to exonerate-and u did the autopsy=-u know more than all the people assembled to deal with this-come on- jon benet could come and point to the killer and u would have something to say about a conspiracy.
also-so what if the investigators and lawyers were involved..if they are not out looking for the killer they are another OJ case-but then they are out finding the killer and thats a set up to paint them as innocent when they are not.
At some point people aught to listen to the authorities-this has gone thru more scrutiny than any other case and the ramseys are not convicted-not even arrested-not even indicted..when usually they indict a ham sandwich according to all legal people..and noone here knows what is going on-we hear what we want to hear and we begin to point to its strengths or alleged weaknesses..think before you behave in a riteous way..u dont know that the dna is contaminated-u just dont know unless u work there and have guarded it thru 10 years and pitted it against all advancing technology etc.
If he is involved it will unfold-and slowly-thats what always happens- they have good reason to believe he is connected and for gods sake does anyone really expect him to admit it-he may have confessed in a written email..if u wer on the ramseys side or cared to follow the evidence, you would think they were brilliant if they got the killer to talk about it over email..this is what u want it to be..and please do not patronize me with the comment about the dna-cuz quite frankly-u dont know that.
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Old 08-17-2006, 12:40 AM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/17/us...et&oref=slogin

did anyone here read this-he was arrested- everyone finds the details they want to believe..including me-but this was just released..give it a read.
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Old 08-17-2006, 12:40 AM
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Wow! I just turned on the news and my computer for the first time today about 1/2 hour ago and I am blown away! At first I thought maybe I owed an apology to Patsey Ramsey, but now I'm not so sure. As Marc Klass pointed out, this is probably a false confession so he can do his time in the United States rather than Thailand. Why did the Ramsey's immediately lawyer up and refuse a polygraph for 4 months??? Why did the perp leave the note on the stairway Patsy uses? Why does the handwriting resemble Patsy's and the ransom amount was the exact amount of John's Christmas bonus??? The Ramsey's are still prime suspects in my book, they're not off the hook. Too many things point to John abusing JB.
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Old 08-17-2006, 12:43 AM
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because it is used to convict and it is also used to exonerate-and u did the autopsy=-u know more than all the people assembled to deal with this-come on- jon benet could come and point to the killer and u would have something to say about a conspiracy.
also-so what if the investigators and lawyers were involved..if they are not out looking for the killer they are another OJ case-but then they are out finding the killer and thats a set up to paint them as innocent when they are not.
At some point people aught to listen to the authorities-this has gone thru more scrutiny than any other case and the ramseys are not convicted-not even arrested-not even indicted..when usually they indict a ham sandwich according to all legal people..and noone here knows what is going on-we hear what we want to hear and we begin to point to its strengths or alleged weaknesses..think before you behave in a riteous way..u dont know that the dna is contaminated-u just dont know unless u work there and have guarded it thru 10 years and pitted it against all advancing technology etc.
If he is involved it will unfold-and slowly-thats what always happens- they have good reason to believe he is connected and for gods sake does anyone really expect him to admit it-he may have confessed in a written email..if u wer on the ramseys side or cared to follow the evidence, you would think they were brilliant if they got the killer to talk about it over email..this is what u want it to be..and please do not patronize me with the comment about the dna-cuz quite frankly-u dont know that.

Do u think i just made up that the DNA was degraded...just pulled it out of my hat? This claim has been long documented including in published books one of which was authored by Steve Thomas! The DNA was so degraded that had to use polymerase chain reaction (PCR) which involves the amplification of specific regions of DNA. The used this process because they didnt even have enough DNA bands to enter it into CODIS. so bisically they reamplified crappy dna! this is fact not fiction.

Furthermore we dont know whether the grand jury wanted to indict the ramseys all we know is that DA Alex Hunter chose not to indict after the Grand Jury convened. there was a good thread about this recently.
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Old 08-17-2006, 12:43 AM
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I dont think it will damage the ramseys at all-this will further add to the possibility that they are innocent till proven guilty-how many people involved in the case have to come out and say the ramseys didnt do it before they are credited with knowing more than we do.
Further-it could not have been patsy who killed her because they are saying the genetic profile is of a man-a man who is not john ramsey.
We use dna to convict and its also used to determine that someone wasnt there-and did not do the murder..this is established.
The rest is tunnel vision imo-and a whole lot of people who cannot admit they persecuted without cause..I have never thot they were guilty and the more i read the less i think there are many unbiased people saying calling for their heads.

If this can be proven by a jury of his peers there will still be a whole group of people who will say they convicted the wrong woman..sarcasm..the killer is apparently a male-so its not patsy and its not john.
IF it turns out that the Ramseys (or lawyers) knew about this guy but knew he wasn't really a serious supsect in JB's murder & hoped the media attention would help to repair the Ramsey's reputation... it can backfire on them all & make people even more suspicious of what they're doing.
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Old 08-17-2006, 12:44 AM
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Trish and the rest of all you loyal JBR sleuthers. I followed this case from the beginning, especially as I live in Colorado and it was discussed on every talk show daily for at least a year. Plus the newspapers. I really haven't been active in the forum and have not been keeping up at all.

I have a question that I've been trying to post all day.........yep today right up there with Scott Peterson trial highlights.

OK, when I heard about the e-mails to LE and hints of knowing inside information, I wondered if he ever posted here on WS. Trish would know IP's of members. Any possibility?

Thanks Trish for your information above. This latest is bound to be very interesting.
I'm bumping my own post to see if anyone can give me an answer to my question.
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Old 08-17-2006, 12:50 AM
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Wow! I just turned on the news and my computer for the first time today about 1/2 hour ago and I am blown away! At first I thought maybe I owed an apology to Patsey Ramsey, but now I'm not so sure. As Marc Klass pointed out, this is probably a false confession so he can do his time in the United States rather than Thailand. Why did the Ramsey's immediately lawyer up and refuse a polygraph for 4 months??? Why did the perp leave the note on the stairway Patsy uses? Why does the handwriting resemble Patsy's and the ransom amount was the exact amount of John's Christmas bonus??? The Ramsey's are still prime suspects in my book, they're not off the hook. Too many things point to John abusing JB.
But I don't think he was facing any criminal charges in Thailand.

>>U.S. authorities said Karr was initially taken into custody in Bangkok on unrelated sex charges. But Thai police Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul said he was unaware of any criminal charges the suspect faced in Thailand.<<
http://orangecounty.cox.net/cci/news...alidatearticle
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Old 08-17-2006, 12:50 AM
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I'm bumping my own post to see if anyone can give me an answer to my question.
Not a mod, but...

It's pretty easy to anonymize your IP address. The police may still be able to track it down, but it's not something the mods here would be able to do (easily, anyway.)

You don't even have to be particularly saavy - as long as you don't have anyone with serious resources trying to track you down.
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Old 08-17-2006, 12:54 AM
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But I don't think he was facing any criminal charges in Thailand.

>>U.S. authorities said Karr was initially taken into custody in Bangkok on unrelated sex charges. But Thai police Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul said he was unaware of any criminal charges the suspect faced in Thailand.<<
http://orangecounty.cox.net/cci/news...alidatearticle
He's not. You're right about that. JBean.
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Old 08-17-2006, 12:56 AM
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He's not. You're right about that. JBean.
I think it originally reported that he was in the Thai jail but I also believe he was arrested at home.
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Old 08-17-2006, 12:58 AM
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From what I heard on Court TV, he was already in custody in Bangkok on some other sex related charges and was questioned and arrested after he related information to LE about the crime that was not known to the public. They didn't say he confessed, just that he had TMI (too much information).

I still think the Ramsey's actions made them look awfully guilty and there are so many aspects of the case that make it hard to conceive that he acted alone.
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I still think the Ramsey's actions made them look awfully guilty and there are so many aspects of the case that make it hard to conceive that he acted alone.
Well, maybe Aussiesheila's theory was right and that Patsey allowed sexual access to JonBenet???
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Old 08-17-2006, 01:03 AM
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From what I heard on Court TV, he was already in custody in Bangkok on some other sex related charges and was questioned and arrested after he related information to LE about the crime that was not known to the public. They didn't say he confessed, just that he had TMI (too much information).
So if he did know TMI, there are a few possibilities:
1. He figured it out. If he was writing a book, he may have come up with a new theory that just happened to fit the evidence.
2. He was told by the murderer. Child molesters, as I understand it, are a tight-knit group. If this person is a molester, they may have had contact with the real perp.

I'm not saying either of these are likely, just possible. We'll find out soon enough. There's not enough to judge this guy guilty yet.
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There's not enough to judge this guy guilty yet.
Agreed! I'm not letting Patsy rest in peace just yet!
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Agreed! I'm not letting Patsy rest in peace just yet!
Who said it had to be Patsy if not this guy?

I keep thinking of the "Jump to Conclusions" mat from Office Space for some reason.
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Old 08-17-2006, 01:06 AM
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From what I heard on Court TV, he was already in custody in Bangkok on some other sex related charges and was questioned and arrested after he related information to LE about the crime that was not known to the public. They didn't say he confessed, just that he had TMI (too much information).

I still think the Ramsey's actions made them look awfully guilty and there are so many aspects of the case that make it hard to conceive that he acted alone.
Oh crud because i have read something differnt. I understand that he revealed infomration only known to the killer thru emails to a person working with LE which then accounted for his "confession". But when they arrested him at home, he denied it all.
who knows!
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Old 08-17-2006, 01:12 AM
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Who said it had to be Patsy if not this guy?

I keep thinking of the "Jump to Conclusions" mat from Office Space for some reason.
Because I still think Patsy was the writer of the Ransom Note. I haven't seen or read anything to convince me otherwise. She may have been in on the murder/sexual abuse even if this guy was the perp, and not John as I believe.
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Trish and the rest of all you loyal JBR sleuthers. I followed this case from the beginning, especially as I live in Colorado and it was discussed on every talk show daily for at least a year. Plus the newspapers. I really haven't been active in the forum and have not been keeping up at all.

I have a question that I've been trying to post all day.........yep today right up there with Scott Peterson trial highlights.

OK, when I heard about the e-mails to LE and hints of knowing inside information, I wondered if he ever posted here on WS. Trish would know IP's of members. Any possibility?

Thanks Trish for your information above. This latest is bound to be very interesting.
Hi BarnGoddess,

I would have no way of knowing if he ever posted here. Yes, I do have the IP addresses but no real names. I don't have any idea who anyone is in real life except for a handful of people on WS.

Unless I know the real name connected to a person's hat I can't identify anyone. Sorry my dear.
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Hi BarnGoddess,

I would have no way of knowing if he ever posted here. Yes, I do have the IP addresses but no real names. I don't have any idea who anyone is in real life except for a handful of people on WS.

Unless I know the real name connected to a person's hat I can't identify anyone. Sorry my dear.
Tricia, I take it this means you can't reveal Pamela Vitale's and Scott Peterson's hats. Supposedly they both posted at WS.
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Tricia, I take it this means you can't reveal Pamela Vitale's and Scott Peterson's hats. Supposedly they both posted at WS.
Nope. I can't reveal them because I have no idea what their hats are. In other words I would have to be told that such and such hat belonged to Pamela. Nothing I have would identify someone's true identity. All I have is an email address, the person's hat and their I.P. address.

The Internet Service Provider is another story. The I.P's I have do lead to the service provider. My Internet Service Provider is xmission. Only xmission could identify me through my IP. They can look up the IP address and who used it. Therfore they identify me through my account with them.

I wouldn't be surpised at all if Vitale posted here since she read at WS the day she was murdered.

Scott Peterson is such an ego maniac I would assume he read and participated on WS.

No way to know for sure though.

Am I making sense?
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Press Release: JonBenet Ramsey Homicide

Mary Lacy, Boulder District Attorney confirms that there has been an arrest in Bangkok, Thailand for the December 26, 1996 murder of JonBenet Ramsey. The suspect was arrested on August 16, 2006 following several months of a focused and complex investigation. John and Patsy Ramsey both were consulted during the course of the investigation. The Ramsey family has been notified of the arrest.

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so the district attorney involved in the case calls it an arrest-and offer that its months of investigative work and you dont agree that they are the ones who know about this event..they did it??
so saying he wasnt aressted is simply not true-but its here on this thread as if gospel
thats my point about folks being out to make sure the ramseys are persecuted as if they have been convicted of this crime. as if it was witnessed by some of you..come on..its arrest for murder-the other charge is not related and they say that-but it is a sex crime he has awoled from.
I just dont understand -this is straight from their site.
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I think it originally reported that he was in the Thai jail but I also believe he was arrested at home.
I think that you're right. Latest reports state that authorities in the US contacted authorities in Thailand after tracking him down on unrelated sex charges, (the failure to appear on child porn charges years ago?). Thai authorities allegedly then went to his apartment and arrested him to be held for American authorities that were on their way to pick him up. Who knows how much that version might change by morning - lol - but that's the latest I've heard.
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I think that you're right. Latest reports state that authorities in the US contacted authorities in Thailand after tracking him down on unrelated sex charges, (the failure to appear on child porn charges years ago?). Thai authorities allegedly then went to his apartment and arrested him to be held for American authorities that were on their way to pick him up. Who knows how much that version might change by morning - lol - but that's the latest I've heard.
I have heard the same. I also understand the coinfession came via emails over a period of time.
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