Anjelica "AJ" Hadsell, 18, Reported Missing from Norfolk, VA - 3 March 2015

[Pisces22]

I wonder whos prints were found on the card pieces besides AJ's?

Because no prints found would be even more suspicious to me. It would take a firm hold with the fingers to cut the card, period. If no prints found that's a bigger red flag. Cut it longways to leave the full name showing but then wipe it clean?

I think not. Someone's prints should be on it IMO.

 

[hey-Debbie]

Actually, from what I have found, Dexter is correct.

http://www.bop.gov/resources/pdfs/detoxification.pdf


I took that from this complete document:


http://www.bop.gov/resources/pdfs/detoxification.pdf




Seems they watch/monitor inmates going through stimulant withdrawal but don't medicate them. What we saw was all Wes.

I wonder if any confusions or anything that he said could be legally discounted if he was on drugs. I don't know much about that legally but could they discredit confessions or other things or not able to use them as evidence if they were?

 

[Happyshoes]

Why was WH so bent on framing the neighbor? Just to throw off the investigation? If WH is guilty (alone or with someone else), he would have known that wouldn't pan out. I guess just to buy time, right?

 

[Happyshoes]

Let me set the record straight.

Imo. Jmo. Moo.

95% of the men or boys in AJ's life (besides zach, and mel ) had a crush on AJ.

Jmo.

I agree with this, that's why it's hard to fathom who would hurt her? Rejection?

 

[DexterMorgan]

Because no prints found would be even more suspicious to me. It would take a firm hold with the fingers to cut the card, period. If no prints found that's a bigger red flag. Cut it longways to leave the full name showing but then wipe it clean?

I think not. Someone's prints should be on it IMO.

Lol. When I watch fake shows like csi. The prints are always readable.

But when i watch real shows like the First 48. They always say the prints are too smudged. Lol.

I hate that sh#t. Lol

 

[Mistree]

So. What's up with all the methadone clinics if you can't die from withdrawals after injecting heroin most of your life.

Not sniffing. I'm saying injecting.

This is why methadone clinics were built.

Heavy injection heroin users can die from withdrawal.

They can actually vomit and crap themselves to death. Jmo

Not true, I disagree and can unfortunately tell you I have first hand knowledge of this due to a loved one.
you CANNOT die from a heroin withdrawal. ONLY Benzo's and alcohol withdrawal . There are certain meds they will give an alcoholic detoxing and also a benzo addict detoxing to prevent seizures and many other ailments that CAN kill the above 2 I mentioned.
Heroin withdrawal/detox, absolutely not. Methadone and Suboxone were designed to act on the opioid receptors in the brain to block the user from getting high if they do try to use, and also as a means to an end. They act the same as an opioid, but without the high and the goal is to wean the person off within 6-12 months. They also use Methadone and Suboxone as a crutch for the physical withdrawals the addict experiences. As Lavender Lotus mentioned above, Heroin users do infact feel like they want to die from the detox , which is why they are usually unsuccessful.

 

[Happyshoes]

Yes, and he would need to that to buy himself more time to dispose of her possibly? If he had been able to do that earlier, he would not have needed the extra time, so I think his securing the black car and moving her to where she was found may have occurred on Tuesday night, before she was reported. He must have also given the okay to report her, considering how she continued to depend on him to lead the search, discuss the break in as he described, and blowing a horn in his honor as he sat behind bars at the balloon release ceremony. I suspect the delay was about getting a car and waiting for the cover of dark, and that it may have been done quickly, and that it is possible still that he had help with this aspect of it. If that's possible than whom does he know who could fly in rent a car and move AJ whom he could trust without anyone local knowing? If he had no help and he secured the black Caravan himself, than what did he have to do to secure it, steal it, borrow it, or rent it?

I forgot about the horn blowing at the balloon release, thanks for that. And no one has commented or knows anything about the dark Dodge Caravan??

 

[courtneyb]

Not true, I disagree and can unfortunately tell you I have first hand knowledge of this due to a loved one.
you CANNOT die from a heroin withdrawal. ONLY Benzo's and alcohol withdrawal . There are certain meds they will give an alcoholic detoxing and also a benzo addict detoxing to prevent seizures and many other ailments that CAN kill the above 2 I mentioned.
Heroin withdrawal/detox, absolutely not. Methadone and Suboxone were designed to act on the opioid receptors in the brain to block the user from getting high if they do try to use, and also as a means to an end. They act the same as an opioid, but without the high and the goal is to wean the person off within 6-12 months. They also use Methadone and Suboxone as a crutch for the physical withdrawals the addict experiences. As Lavender Lotus mentioned above, Heroin users do infact feel like they want to die from the detox , which is why they are usually unsuccessful.

That's not quite accurate. You can get VERY high on methadone and suboxone. They are both problematic street drugs; people going to clinics sell them for a mint.

I have had patients who were methadone and suboxone addicts. They are long acting opiates. If someone taking them tells you that they don't get high off of either of those drugs, it is because they were such heavy users that the controlled release of the meds doesn't put a dent in their damaged opiate receptors. But a person who takes them who is not a heavy drug user can get very high, addicted, and die from an overdose of either of those drugs, but especially methadone.

Antabuse for alcohol abuse however, does in fact make one very ill if you drink while taking it. It is SUPPOSED to be a deterrent.


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[LavenderLotus]

So. What's up with all the methadone clinics if you can't die from withdrawals after injecting heroin most of your life.

Not sniffing. I'm saying injecting.

This is why methadone clinics were built.

Heavy injection heroin users can die from withdrawal.

They can actually vomit and crap themselves to death. Jmo

I was actually a heavy IV heroin user for many years. I also took a heroin replacement drug similar to methadone, called suboxone. The point of methadone & suboxone
isn't to prevent death from withdrawal (because it doesn't happen), it's to prevent death from using. It prevents an addict from getting high. It blocks the opiate receptors & relieves cravings. It makes it so you don't have to go through withdrawal because that is what keeps a lot of addicts from getting clean. I don't know how many times was "my last time", only to get 36-48 hours into withdrawal & go to cop some dope because I couldn't stand the dope sickness.

Now, technically, yes, you could "crap" yourself to death I suppose but I have literally never heard of it happening. I've attended many rehabs on my quest to get clean & even in some of them, they will NOT give medications. They will watch you to make sure you don't "crap" yourself sick.

I've been clean for almost 2.5 years now. The misinformation going around about drugs isn't helpful.

 

[LavenderLotus]

That's not quite accurate. You can get VERY high on methadone and suboxone. They are both problematic street drugs; people going to clinics sell them for a mint.


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Yes, but they prevent you from getting high on heroin, which is what I was talking about. Also, when I was on suboxone, I did not get high on it because I used it properly. When used as directed, methadone & suboxone will not get you high.

 

[jojo87]

It would seem death from heroin withdrawal is unlikely but can happen as a result of seizures or respiratory problems.
http://www.patmoorefoundation.com/can-heroin-withdrawal-kill-you

 

[Mistree]

That's not quite accurate. You can get VERY high on methadone and suboxone. They are both problematic street drugs; people going to clinics sell them for a mint.


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You are correct on the suboxone and methadone. People trade, buy and etc all the time for a different type of drug. And yes you can get high if they are used inappropriately. However; they will block the opiod receptors for other narcotics, ie heroin, vicodan, morphine etc. AND I say this assuming that Methadone is being prescribed by an authorized addiction specialist, and monitored,they way it was intended. I don't say this for the addicts on the street who crush up suboxone and snort it or smoke it for the high.

 

[grammy56]

Agree to a point. I do think like someone else on here, when AJ's SM stopped that was it. It puts us at March 1 don't know time.

I have about 6 suspects in this case.

 

[courtneyb]

Yes, but they prevent you from getting high on heroin, which is what I was talking about. Also, when I was on suboxone, I did not get high on it because I used it properly. When used as directed, methadone & suboxone will not get you high.

Gotcha. Maybe not you, but if someone whose opiate receptors are at a normal sensitivity takes either, they will get high and have a high risk of overdose.


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[grammy56]

I wonder if any confusions or anything that he said could be legally discounted if he was on drugs. I don't know much about that legally but could they discredit confessions or other things or not able to use them as evidence if they were?

Know a little about this too, yes it can, all according if he was on any drugs and it is documented, just doesn't count ,anything he said. But it is all according. I am thinking the LE didn't care go talk drugs, no drugs, just talk.

 

[LavenderLotus]

Gotcha. Maybe not you, but if someone whose opiate receptors are at a normal sensitivity takes either, they will get high and have a high risk of overdose.

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You're right, I should have clarified in my post. I did not get high from suboxone & I was prescribed the highest dose at first but I was coming off of a pretty major habit of a gram a day, sometimes more.

Methadone can cause overdose but suboxone is very safe & has a very low risk of overdose.

 

[Mistree]

I was actually a heavy IV heroin user for many years. I also took a heroin replacement drug similar to methadone, called suboxone. The point of methadone & suboxone
isn't to prevent death from withdrawal (because it doesn't happen), it's to prevent death from using. It prevents an addict from getting high. It blocks the opiate receptors & relieves cravings. It makes it so you don't have to go through withdrawal because that is what keeps a lot of addicts from getting clean. I don't know how many times was "my last time", only to get 36-48 hours into withdrawal & go to cop some dope because I couldn't stand the dope sickness.

Now, technically, yes, you could "crap" yourself to death I suppose but I have literally never heard of it happening. I've attended many rehabs on my quest to get clean & even in some of them, they will NOT give medications. They will watch you to make sure you don't "crap" yourself sick.

I've been clean for almost 2.5 years now. The misinformation going around about drugs isn't helpful.

:happydance: CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR SOBRIETY!!!!!! We are on round 8 and approaching round 9, hoping she will get it soon..

 

[Happyshoes]

Yes, but they prevent you from getting high on heroin, which is what I was talking about. Also, when I was on suboxone, I did not get high on it because I used it properly. When used as directed, methadone & suboxone will not get you high.

Congrats on getting clean, hope your life is happier now!

 

[DexterMorgan]

Not true, I disagree and can unfortunately tell you I have first hand knowledge of this due to a loved one.
you CANNOT die from a heroin withdrawal. ONLY Benzo's and alcohol withdrawal . There are certain meds they will give an alcoholic detoxing and also a benzo addict detoxing to prevent seizures and many other ailments that CAN kill the above 2 I mentioned.
Heroin withdrawal/detox, absolutely not. Methadone and Suboxone were designed to act on the opioid receptors in the brain to block the user from getting high if they do try to use, and also as a means to an end. They act the same as an opioid, but without the high and the goal is to wean the person off within 6-12 months. They also use Methadone and Suboxone as a crutch for the physical withdrawals the addict experiences. As Lavender Lotus mentioned above, Heroin users do infact feel like they want to die from the detox , which is why they are usually unsuccessful.

Agree. The methadone helps wean you off heroin.

Now disagree.

Alcohol withdrawal is nowhere near as bad as heroin withdrawal.

You do not continue to vomit and crap on yourself during a alcohol withdrawal. But you do with injection heroin withdrawal.

Methadone clinics weren't made to just wean people from the drug.

For the vomit and crap that is released once the muscles tense back up can leave a person releasing any and all nutrients.

This can cause health and Anxiety Attacks that kills a person.

So not only is methadone for a mental need it is also for a physical need.

Alcoholics and crackhead withdrawals are not as serious.

This is why alcoholics only get AA. And heroin addicts get methadone treatment centers. Jmo

 

[Momoffourboys]

You're right, I should have clarified in my post. I did not get high from suboxone & I was prescribed the highest dose at first but I was coming off of a pretty major habit of a gram a day, sometimes more.

Methadone can cause overdose but suboxone is very safe & has a very low risk of overdose.

LavenderLotus, every time you post...I read!
Your (unfortunate) first hand experience and knowledge is extremely helpful.
Congrats on staying clean! I hope you continue to share and educate others. Thanks!