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NANCY GRACE
Van Der Sloot Thailand Tape Released
Aired November 11, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the sudden disappearance of Alabama beauty Natalee Holloway, missing off her high school senior trip, Aruba. Aruban police claim they can`t or won`t make a case against Van Der Sloot in the disappearance of Holloway, even after a Dutch crime reporter takes months of high-tech secret surveillance proving what happened the night the Alabama beauty vanished. Aruban courts let Van Der Sloot, the judge`s son, walk free.
But tonight, we have obtained the video and audiotape that may land judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot behind bars. That`s right, judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot busted, preying on unsuspecting young women, attempting to lure them into the sex trade between Thailand and his birth place, the Netherlands, Van Der Sloot reported to make up to $13,000 per female recruit. And now that Van Der Sloot is busted again, Aruban prosecutors say they`re back on the Holloway case, now deciding whether to re-arrest Van Der Sloot. But tonight, will Van Der Sloot, reportedly in hiding, finally land where he belong, behind bars? Somebody tell me how`s Daddy going to get him out of this one?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I like dancing.
JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: And he offering you $15,000 to dance. And I understand you tell me that you have school you have to finish. I understand. And you can tell me, OK, after your school, will we talk about it again?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. And how long I have to dance for, one hour, two hours?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, like, 10 hour a day.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh! That`s too much!
VAN DER SLOOT: I don`t know.
(CROSSTALK)
VAN DER SLOOT: From 5:00 in the afternoon to 5:00 in the morning.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That a lot!
VAN DER SLOOT: That`s a lot, yes, I know, but it`s not dance the whole time. You take break. You talk to the guys, you know, make them feel good, give them drink.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
GRACE: Yes, he`s the man.
And tonight, the mystery surrounding a beautiful young mom of two vanishing into thin air straight out America`s heartland.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Searches resumed today in the case of missing 27- year-old mother of two Alisha Sidie. According to reports, Sidie left her home between 9:00 and 10:00 PM Friday night after an argument with her ex- husband. Over 150 volunteers are assisting in the search effort, with helicopters, canines and dive teams all scouring the area for the young mom. Alisha`s sister, Tracy, says there`s no way that Alisha would have left without her 2-year-old twin boys at her side. Police say there`s no evidence of foul play and will continue to search for Alisha, who was last seen wearing a long-sleeved white shirt and blue scrub pants.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is very unusual for her. I`ve known Alisha since she was a little baby. She`s like a sister to me. She`s like my daughter. She is -- this is very unusual for her, very unusual. She would never do this. Never.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Breaking news tonight in the disappearance of Alabama beauty Natalee Holloway. We have obtained a video and audiotape that may land judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot behind bars.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For me -- $15,000 is nothing for me.
VAN DER SLOOT: OK, $15,000 is nothing for you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. No. Not much.
VAN DER SLOOT: $15,000 is nothing for her.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... but when we do overtime, yes, maybe we can do that, like (INAUDIBLE)
VAN DER SLOOT: OK, but look what you have to do for that. From here, you have to shake your *advertiser censored*. That`s all you have to do. If I could shake my *advertiser censored* for $15,000, I would shake my *advertiser censored* for $15,000.
(LAUGHTER)
VAN DER SLOOT: Today, all they want is just to see you, so you show them how beautiful you are...
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... because you understand we have a club in Holland.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m interested to go abroad, but you know I cannot because I make the decision that I cannot leave my school.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
VAN DER SLOOT: OK. Like, listen, baby, I`m from Holland and they from Holland also. And I go to the Holland embassy already and I look and for to get the paper to give to you right away. That`s not a problem.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.
VAN DER SLOOT: So for -- go for, like, three months or something is very easy. It`s very easy. But for to get work permit, like, one year or two years, is more hard. And Holland very, very different than Bangkok. Holland is also very nice and very peaceful.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think you can get a lot of lady to go over there if you go to the government for looking people to find a job.
VAN DER SLOOT: The important thing is they want to do it good also. You don`t want to do it like paperwork good and that`s important for them also for the name and cannot do it like wrong. Just like no, no, no, they want to do it good. Real job is good also.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Is a real job even for the nice club.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Yes, he is the big man. That`s judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot, the prime suspect in the disappearance of Alabama honor grad Natalee Holloway. He managed to escape jail in her death, but now he`s busted again, this time trying to lure college students into the European sex trade. You just saw the videotape.
Out to Jossy Mansur, the owner and managing director of "Diario" magazine. Jossy, will there be charges?
JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": I think they have to introduce charges against him because the evidence is too much. I mean, it`s been recorded. I mean, we have all seen what was going on, how he tried to lure these girls, how he lied to them that it was going to be a modeling job, photo sessions, et cetera. But all the time, he had in mind a work time of 10 hours (INAUDIBLE)
GRACE: And in fact, he`s caught on videotape accepting payment, a down payment on luring young college co-eds into the sex trade, telling them they`d be models and ending up in a brothel in the Netherlands. That`s what Joran Van Der Sloot has been doing. In case you`ve been wondering whatever happened to Joran Van Der Sloot, now we know.
With -- reporter from WBMA, Deborah Pugatch -- what can you tell us, Deborah?
DEBORAH PUGATCH, WBMA PRODUCER: Well, what we do know is the first footage in the United States aired this morning. When it aired Sunday in the Netherlands, Thai authorities said, I want a transcript, to see if they had a case against Joran Van Der Sloot.
GRACE: Oh, blah, blah, Deborah! The said the same thing the last time Joran Van Der Sloot was caught on videotape talking about Natalee Holloway`s death. And what did they do? Let it slip through their fingers. OK, maybe the second bite of the apple will be different.
Take a look at Joran Van Der Sloot caught on videotape.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
VAN DER SLOOT: Today, all they want is just to see you, so you show them how beautiful you are...
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... because you understand we have a club in Holland.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m interested to go abroad, but you know I cannot because I make the decision that I cannot leave my school.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
VAN DER SLOOT: OK. Like, listen, baby, I`m from Holland and they from Holland also. And I go to the Holland embassy already and I look and for to get the paper to give to you right away. That`s not a problem.
OK. Like, listen, I from Holland and they from Holland also. I go to the Holland embassy already. I look for them to give the paper they give to you right away. That`s not a problem.
To go for, like, three months or something is very easy. Very easy. For one year or two year is more hard. And Holland very, very different than Bangkok. Holland also very nice, very peaceful.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think you can get a lot of lady to go over there if the government for looking people for a job.
VAN DER SLOOT: The important thing is they want to do it good also. You don`t want to do it like paperwork good and that`s important for them also for the name and cannot do it like wrong. Just like no, no, no, they want to do it good. Is real job.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is real job even for the nice club.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: He is so busted! Yes, the Netherlands very nice, very peaceful -- for hookers! He didn`t finish the sentence. We are taking your calls live.
Let`s unleash the lawyers. Joining me tonight, Ray Giudice, defense attorney out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Michael Mazzariello, defense attorney and host of "Closing Arguments" on WGNY, and a special guest joining us tonight, international law and criminal defense attorney Michael Griffith. He is based in New York, travels all over the world handling cases.
Michael Griffith, if it were anywhere but Thailand or Aruba, I would say he`s busted. What about you?
MICHAEL GRIFFITH, INTERNATIONAL LAW ATTORNEY: Nancy, first, hi. It`s nice to see you. Nancy, I hate to burst everybody`s balloon. I`m a member of the criminal law committee of the international bar. I`m a member...
GRACE: "Burst your bubble." Go ahead.
GRIFFITH: All right. I`ve got the transcript here. There`s nothing in the transcripts that have been said except that these girls were going to go for dancing. Maybe that`s not true, but that`s what the tapes show. This Mr. De Vries really dropped the ball. If he wanted to get something out of this...
GRACE: Well, hold on. Hold on.
GRIFFITH: ... they should have -- Nancy, they should have...
GRACE: That`s a good point, Michael. That`s all we`ve heard so far. But hold on. Out to Peter Schouten, spokesperson for De Vries. He`s joining us from the Netherlands. Peter, isn`t it true that he is caught on tape going over the scheme where he represents to the young girls it`s a modeling job, but where he`s actually talking about it being prostitution?
PETER SCHOUTEN, SPOKESMAN FOR PETER DE VRIES: Yes. That is exactly correct, Nancy. And that is, of course, not the only thing. Joran also took the initiative to basically employ this kind of operation and he contacted people to work out a network for him in the Netherlands that he could trade the girls. So I disagree with the attorney there. There is a lot done (ph) to basically make this a criminal matter.
GRACE: So long story short -- with me is spokesperson for De Vries, Peter Schouten. Peter, he`s on tape talking about the young girls being prostitutes in the Netherlands. Yes, no.
SCHOUTEN: Yes. Correct. He is basically doing human trafficking to deliver girls to whorehouses, brothels and window (ph) prostitution.
GRACE: With me tonight exclusively joining us, Dave Holloway, Natalee Holloway`s father. Dave, thank you for being with us. We spoke briefly last night. Now that you`ve had time to digest all of this, now that you`ve seen the tapes yourself, what do you think?
DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: Thank you for having me, Nancy. It`s really unbelievable. But you know, talking to the experts in the past about his behavior, they pegged him right on it. They said he`d strike again in some form or other fashion, and he`s done that.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was offering them a job as models in Holland.
VAN DER SLOOT: Look what you have to do for that. From here you have to shake your *advertiser censored*. That`s all you have to do. If I could shake my *advertiser censored* for $15,000, I would shake my *advertiser censored* for $15,000.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And in truth, he was trying to coax them into prostitution -- in other words, into the sex industries in Holland.
HOLLOWAY: It`s absolutely disgusting that this guy is involved in something like this. I hope the Thailand police do their job and get this guy. He needs to be taken off the streets.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For me, $15,000 is nothing for me.
VAN DER SLOOT: OK, $15,000 is nothing for you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, no. Not much.
VAN DER SLOOT: $15,000. Is nothing for her. $15,000 is nothing.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: The women you see, judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot snugged up in a hotel room with are college students there in Thailand. According to Peter De Vries, investigative reporter who`s responsible for this undercover video, he is trying to talk them into going to the Netherlands, his birth place, to be dancers and models. Translation, hookers.
We are taking your calls live. Out to Leah in Virginia. Hi, Leah.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. The children are beautiful. I was wondering what charges could he possibly be facing?
GRACE: Back to the lawyers. Joining us, international law and criminal defense attorney Michael Griffith, veteran trial lawyer Raymond Giudice out of Atlanta, Michael Mazzariello out of New York.
Ray, hit me. What could he be facing?
RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, I want to switch the venue from Thailand to Holland. I think there`s two problems for this gentleman. One is, is he the front man for a group of clubs or organizations and he`s been sent over to bring these girls back, so there`s a big conspiracy? And secondly, is he attempting to defraud the Dutch immigration authorities? When you go to Europe, they want to know why you`re there, how long you`re going to stay, and if you`re working, it has to be for a legal and moral purpose.
GRACE: Ruh-roh! What about it, Mazzariello? He`s right about immigration, at least. I guess the feds aren`t going to pooh-pooh this.
MICHAEL MAZZARIELLO, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, that`s why I like Ray. He`s right on the money, Nancy. Throw in a couple of, you know, trafficking charges in there, get the tax people involved, and he could have real problems in Holland.
GRACE: Tax people? You think this guy`s ever held down a job? Are you kidding me?
MAZZARIELLO: Well, Nancy, that`s -- at least it`s what they could get the Thai government to get to hold him and to inquire further. I mean, just hold the guy and try to interrogate him.
GRACE: Michael?
GRIFFITH: Nancy, there`s been no crime committed here because, number one...
GRACE: He`s soliciting for prostitution!
GRIFFITH: Nancy, Nancy...
MAZZARIELLO: Not on tape.
GRIFFITH: Nancy, listen to Mike. Right now, there`s nothing on tape saying anything about prostitution.
GRACE: You`re making my jaw hurt.
GRIFFITH: No, just listen to me. This is what I do.
GRACE: Oh!
GRIFFITH: The second thing is, if they would have waited to have the false papers made out, help to pay for the airline tickets, bring the girls to Holland and then put them in prostitution -- by the way, where it`s legal there -- but then put them in...
GRACE: And wait until the girls get their first $20?
(CROSSTALK)
GRIFFITH: That`s how you make the sting. Nancy, that`s how you make the sting. De Vries, to get his 15 minutes of fame, messed things up. He jumped the gun.
GRACE: So you won`t be happy until a college student actually turns her first trick. Do I have that right, Griffith?
GRIFFITH: No. No. I said...
GRACE: Yes, I do.
GRIFFITH: ... you got to -- you have to have false papers, put them on the plane, send them to Holland...
GRACE: Listen...
GRIFFITH: ... and then you can make the arrest.
GRACE: Let me just break it down. To Mike Brooks. You know the deal, Brooks -- former fed with the FBI. Mike, when an undercover cop is doing a sting, a vice sting, they don`t actually do the deed. You go solicit a hooker, she gets in the car, says, Yes, I`ll turn a trick for X amount of money. Boom. That`s when the sting goes down, right there.
MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Usually, Nancy, to make a prostitution case, you need a place, a price and an act. Now, in this particular one, we`re talking, you know, college students that are, you know, allegedly college students...
GRACE: They`re college students.
BROOKS: Yes. OK. And there`s a the lot of college students working their way through school in Las Vegas also, Nancy.
GRACE: You`re right. Blame the victim. Go ahead.
BROOKS: No, I`m telling you. You know, I -- look, if you look at prostitution rings...
GRACE: Make your point, please. Please. Point.
BROOKS: Look. Bangkok, do you think that they really care? Because...
GRACE: No.
BROOKS: ... -do they want any -- do they want any attention into the sex industry in their country? Absolutely not. I think Raymond is absolutely right. You got to go back on the Dutch end of things and work it from there.
GRACE: They don`t care, either. The Netherlands don`t care.
BROOKS: Well, yes, the Dutch authorities screwed the Holloway investigation up from the very beginning, but...
GRACE: Yes, I mean, Dave Holloway, he`s got a point. With me exclusively tonight is Natalee`s father, Dave Holloway. Yes, he`s caught on tape again, but he`s been caught on tape before, describing Natalee`s death. Nothing happened. So we really think the Netherlands care about planning prostitution? Dave Holloway?
HOLLOWAY: Oh, I`m sorry?
GRACE: Go ahead, dear.
HOLLOWAY: You know, Nancy, I really don`t think that -- in my opinion, that they`ll probably do anything with this. It`s my hope and faith, and you know, just prayer that they will do something, but I`ve been down this road...
GRACE: How much more evidence do we have to hand them on a silver platter before they finally do something, Dave Holloway?
HOLLOWAY: You know, they`ve been handed the confession on a silver platter and they didn`t do anything. And that`s why I think in this case, you know, maybe I`m being a little bit negative on it, but...
GRACE: Well, I`m sure you don`t want to...
HOLLOWAY: ... you know, I know that...
GRACE: ... get your hopes up and then be dashed.
HOLLOWAY: I don`t want to get my hopes up high. You know, I think...
GRACE: Speaking of that tape, Dave...
(CROSSTALK)
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