Australia Australia - Claremont SK, 1996-97, Perth, WA - #14

[petedavo.au]

Is there a Hillsview? Hillview?

1St Hillview Scout Hall. There's no longer a 1St Hollowed Scout group anymore, (disbanded in 80's) but their old scout hall then was used as a camp ground for Jamboree of the Air in 80's and 90's) by the scouts, and was very popular with scouts that were into electronics in it's hey day. It's now used for storage of Scout Association buses.
BTW it's surrounded by Bush. And across the other side of Welshpool Rd, a murder occurred when a country bloke was burnt in his panel van, and on anther occasion an Asian student's body was dumped, but only ever found because the boyfriend confessed and led Police to the shallow grave.

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[WhyWhy]

Interesting all. PeteDavo why a shot of the ole Cott Cop Shop? Places for get away cars? Anyone whose read about Cooke knows the distances covered on foot from Cott/Claremont/Subi.
I'm not a backer of the JC - CSK link, but can just about definitely say the groyne bolder have always been higher than the paving up there. Car driven down the asphalt ramp at Surf Club, at some speed, could've made it to the water..IMO


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[DRT]

Are you saying the waves/swell could have been big enough to hide it for a full day and a half?
Or do you think it more likely that it was dumped on the evening of the 21st and the spotted on the 22nd?

Thanks #sutton, wish i had more info about the tides and weather for this .
my guess is that a remarkable weather occurence happened in the preceding days , possibly a big strong frontal low pressure storm west of perth in the indian ocean , that produced a very big swell and stormsurge tides that battered the beaches and wet beyond normal high tide marks . This might have been from the 18th -20th june but the large swell remained in the ocean during the days 20th, 21st or 22nd , when the conditions were very cool & fine (on land)
I do think this weather situation could help explain how the car got in via the beach or groyne and there was no tracks in the sand (as far as I can tell from reports).
nobody saw it until it washed in because of waves, weed & murky stirred up water thats not visible ?

I dont have a theory to explain this happening mostly due to lack of clues.
The flimsy clues from the weather stats do indicate higher than normal tides and wave conditions is a possibility .

If anyones able to get some screen shots from the doco we could all look at it better. The doco rarely loads for me and only once out of ten attempts it sort of worked. If I remember correct you might see a view of the beach with the groyne behind it about 50 metres. Can anyone help? Would be interesting to see something new.
Moo

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Looking for historical tide values I found this link. I don't know enough about tides and the area to determine if there is a big tide at Fremantle, there will be a big tide at Cottesloe at the same time.

http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/imarine/geraldton-to-perth-tide-and-wave-historical.asp

In any case it looks like you can get info from this site. While Cottesloe was only available from 1999, Fremantle seems to be available for that period.

 

[meticulously]

if there is a big tide at Fremantle, there will be a big tide at Cottesloe at the same time.

Fremantle tides will be good enough no worries at all , i cant make sense of the link yet . thanks DRT .



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[Spooks-R-Us]

1St Hillview Scout Hall. There's no longer a 1St Hollowed Scout group anymore, (disbanded in 80's) but their old scout hall then was used as a camp ground for Jamboree of the Air in 80's and 90's) by the scouts, and was very popular with scouts that were into electronics in it's hey day. It's now used for storage of Scout Association buses.
BTW it's surrounded by Bush. And across the other side of Welshpool Rd, a murder occurred when a country bloke was burnt in his panel van, and on anther occasion an Asian student's body was dumped, but only ever found because the boyfriend confessed and led Police to the shallow grave.

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Interesting - thanks Pete

Maybe I need my tinfoil hat to explore these "links"!

 

[mandy.maree]

It makes the most sense to me that JC car was dumped the day she went missing (perhaps with her in it).
If she has met with foul play whoever is responsible would want to dispose of the car before she is noticed missing and not risk being seen driving in it.
They left it where they did as it was handy distance to their car or something that night imo.
If they had another day or 2 to plan what to do with it ,I doubt the middle of a beach would be the first choice.
I think the car was simply moved around with the tides and currents with the back seat and who knows what else coming out in the process .Then it washed back up where it was found. No tyre marks on sand or elsewhere as they had been washed away also.
I can't find anything to confirm unfortunately though . Will keep trying to find info on the tides.

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[Spinnaker]

This boat ramp is at South Cottesloe Beach, approx 1km south from where JC's car found - quite feasible to drive a car into the sea here, at high tide.

 

[petedavo.au]

Interesting all. PeteDavo why a shot of the ole Cott Cop Shop? Places for get away cars? Anyone whose read about Cooke knows the distances covered on foot from Cott/Claremont/Subi.
I'm not a backer of the JC - CSK link, but can just about definitely say the groyne bolder have always been higher than the paving up there. Car driven down the asphalt ramp at Surf Club, at some speed, could've made it to the water..IMO


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Cottesloe cop shop carpark.
Hidden in plain sight. Anybody would've thought it was just an officer doing night shift's private vehicle. Paddy wagon would only come back during crib or at shift end. No lighting back then. Dark and bushy. A quick walk from the beach through the Golf course. And if a paddy wagon did pull in, maybe they just think it belonged to an officer from the arvo shift who decided to catch the train home after a booze up at the pub.
Or the perp isn't BRE, but someone else, who was a cop or pretended to be one, to get Julie Cutler to stop and follow him back to the cop shop, knowing that no one would be there for some hours. Maybe he was interested in electronics and had a scanner so knew it was clear, and the scanner could've added legitimacy to the deception.
After all, she did tell her sister about being followed in that area in the weeks before. Maybe this perp had a bone to pick over a minor traffic dispute, but the perp was not the average road rage nut. He might've had a maniac inclination for revenge. Who knows, but it seems to me that this is more than a simple bit of opportunity. None of this seems similar to CSK in my opinion.


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[petedavo.au]

Interesting - thanks Pete

Maybe I need my tinfoil hat to explore these "links"!

Unlikely to be any connection, just because it rhymes.

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[petedavo.au]

This boat ramp is at South Cottesloe Beach, approx 1km south from where JC's car found - quite feasible to drive a car into the sea here, at high tide.

I read something a long time ago about Port Beach losing its sand. Apparently all beaches in metro lose sand as it gets pushed northward. This was why groynes were built apparently, to stop the erosion. Anyway, they had to truck sand back to Leighton and Port beach as the car park at Port Beach was about to fall into the sea.

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[Spinnaker]

Some pics of the water right up to the wall at Cottesloe SLSC - near boat ramp.

 

[DRT]

http://www.news.com.au/news/vanishe...g/news-story/1f9da6564bf58fdfb6f6532c5e7b5d2f

From the above article, the stalking incident had also occurred in Stirling Highway Cottesloe.
"In late May or early June, Julie rang her father to report an alarming incident in which she had been driving home in her Fiat sedan from work along the Stirling Highway.

Julie told her father, Roger, that a car had followed her closely for several kilometres along Stirling Highway, almost touching her rear bumper at times and seemed to be trying to force her off the road.
As she approached a turn-off in the beachside suburb of Cottesloe, the car pulled alongside and then suddenly veered in front of her.
Ms Cutler swerved around it and sped away, later reporting the incident to police."

 

[petedavo.au]

I read something a long time ago about Port Beach losing its sand. Apparently all beaches in metro lose sand as it gets pushed northward. This was why groynes were built apparently, to stop the erosion. Anyway, they had to truck sand back to Leighton and Port beach as the car park at Port Beach was about to fall into the sea.

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Found some recent stuff on it

http://enewspaper2.thewest.com.au/R...m&Path=WAN/2013/01/28&From=Archive&ID=Ar00602

https://www.planning.wa.gov.au/publications/1131.aspx

http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/imarine/coastal-erosion-and-stability.asp

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[meticulously]

I read something a long time ago about Port Beach losing its sand. Apparently all beaches in metro lose sand as it gets pushed northward. This was why groynes were built apparently, to stop the erosion. Anyway, they had to truck sand back to Leighton and Port beach as the car park at Port Beach was about to fall into the sea.
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Petedavo thats correct in the summertime but in winter not so .
Contrary to the northward flowing current is the leeuwin current which flows southward .
Quote "Its strength varies through the year; it is weakest during the summer months (winter in the northern hemisphere) from November to March when the winds tend to blow strongly from the south west northwards. The greatest flow is in the autumn and winter (March to November) when the opposing winds are weakest"(Unquote)

http://oceancurrent.imos.org.au/news.htm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Australian_Current

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeuwin_Current

 

[Canning Vale]

Is there anyone who remembers within the early 1990s WA having a separate division of police for vehicles/transport? I’m not referring to the Road Traffic Authority (RTA) which was disbanded in the 1980s.

 

[Spinnaker]

I read something a long time ago about Port Beach losing its sand. Apparently all beaches in metro lose sand as it gets pushed northward. This was why groynes were built apparently, to stop the erosion. Anyway, they had to truck sand back to Leighton and Port beach as the car park at Port Beach was about to fall into the sea.

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You can walk from South Cottesloe to Leighton in the summer, however in the winter part of the beach gets swallowed up by the sea and you can't walk through.

 

[apoptosisfutz]

1St Hillview Scout Hall. There's no longer a 1St Hollowed Scout group anymore, (disbanded in 80's) but their old scout hall then was used as a camp ground for Jamboree of the Air in 80's and 90's) by the scouts, and was very popular with scouts that were into electronics in it's hey day. It's now used for storage of Scout Association buses.
BTW it's surrounded by Bush. And across the other side of Welshpool Rd, a murder occurred when a country bloke was burnt in his panel van, and on anther occasion an Asian student's body was dumped, but only ever found because the boyfriend confessed and led Police to the shallow grave.

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Do we know if BEE was involved in cubs scouts etc. ?

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[petedavo.au]

http://www.news.com.au/news/vanishe...g/news-story/1f9da6564bf58fdfb6f6532c5e7b5d2f

From the above article, the stalking incident had also occurred in Stirling Highway Cottesloe.
"In late May or early June, Julie rang her father to report an alarming incident in which she had been driving home in her Fiat sedan from work along the Stirling Highway.

Julie told her father, Roger, that a car had followed her closely for several kilometres along Stirling Highway, almost touching her rear bumper at times and seemed to be trying to force her off the road.
As she approached a turn-off in the beachside suburb of Cottesloe, the car pulled alongside and then suddenly veered in front of her.
Ms Cutler swerved around it and sped away, later reporting the incident to police."

Makes me wonder if this bloke had worked at Cottesloe or Claremont Police Stations at the time of Cutler's reported vehicle incident? ....and her disappearance

source
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13182760
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[petedavo.au]

Is there anyone who remembers within the early 1990s WA having a separate division of police for vehicles/transport? I’m not referring to the Road Traffic Authority (RTA) which was disbanded in the 1980s.

Traffic Branch did basically what the RTA used to do except the licensing, plus they ran the 2 booze buses, and the speed cameras from the old RTA building in Plain St. There was also a unit called Police Escort that escorted oversized loads. I think they were based in Welshpool at the Main Roads Depot and then it was privatised or contracted out. CIB had unmarked vehicles which were all the same with antennae always in the same location, (in the 70's they were all white Kingswoods with a drive to stay alive sticker on the rear bumper and a vhf antenna on the right rear panel, when they changed to XD falcons, they did exactly the same thing, as I remember a school friend upon getting his first car, a white XD falcon buying a CB antenna and placing it in the same spot, and saying "reckon I'll get away with speeding cause it looks look a demon?".


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[petedavo.au]

Petedavo thats correct in the summertime but in winter not so .
Contrary to the northward flowing current is the leeuwin current which flows southward .
Quote "Its strength varies through the year; it is weakest during the summer months (winter in the northern hemisphere) from November to March when the winds tend to blow strongly from the south west northwards. The greatest flow is in the autumn and winter (March to November) when the opposing winds are weakest"(Unquote)

http://oceancurrent.imos.org.au/news.htm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Australian_Current

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeuwin_Current

If so, then that narrows down the choice of Ramp that the car entered the ocean from to the main beach I suppose

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