Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #5

[enzeder]

Further to my above post......this....

One witness who heard the screams was a Waikato woman who had been staying in a nearby apartment. Delwyn Grooby told Fairfax she heard three distinct screams.
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Its this statement here that makes me believe it is murder. What was Wrie fearing or seeing?

"There was fear in her second scream that made me feel sick and frightened for her," Grooby said. "In the silence that followed, I prayed that someone had come to her rescue. When the third scream came, I really can't explain how I felt."

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Other neighbours reported hearing several screams and what sounded like an argument.




http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/sick-and-frightening-scream-balcony-death/2348688/

"Delwyn Grooby, who said she was staying in the neighbouring Tiki apartment complex, told Fairfax Media she heard three distinct screams on the night of Ms Wright’s death."

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ostee-denies-involvement-20140811-102ms8.html

Google Street View
http://goo.gl/wl9khn

 

[SouthAussie]

I dunno ... makes no sense to me to wait till after the committal to prosecute the other charges. They are relatively simple charges, for goodness sakes. Just get them done, get him bearing the consequences of some of his violent, dangerous, law-breaking actions ... instead of roaming around free to do what he wants, while wasting police resources keeping an eye on him.

Sometimes I think that the magistrates are more than happy to just keep delaying and delaying. So much for swift justice.

 

[enzeder]

Also this from one of the earlier articles..... BBM

"Tuesday Aug 12, 2014

Detective Superintendent David Hutchinson of the Gold Coast CIB told APNZ screams were heard at the unit "shortly before the fall" at 2.30am on Friday. "There was a disturbance in the unit, there were raised voices."

Police had obtained statements from nearby residents who witnessed and heard "certain things". Mr Hutchinson would not go into further detail."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11307442

 

[enzeder]

I dunno ... makes no sense to me to wait till after the committal to prosecute the other charges. They are relatively simple charges, for goodness sakes. Just get them done, get him bearing the consequences of some of his violent, dangerous, law-breaking actions ... instead of roaming around free to do what he wants, while wasting police resources keeping an eye on him.

Sometimes I think that the magistrates are more than happy to just keep delaying and delaying. So much for swift justice.

BBM - I sooo agree SouthAussie - "Just get them done"!!

My first reaction when I read the latest was

but I've calmed down a little now - all in good time

 

[marlywings]

As an example of how long it takes for a murder case to reach trial I thought I'd add this in for anyone not familiar with our Aussie court system. In between all the dates prior to trial there were plenty of mentions.

Allison was murdered 19th April, 2012

Her husband Gerard Baden Clay was charged with her murder June,2012.

Bail Hearings - June 22nd and Dec 14th, 2012

Committal Hearing - Magistrates Court - March 11th - March 20th, 2013 (The judge decided there was enough evidence for Baden Clay to stand trial)

Trial - Supreme Court - 10th June - July 15th, 2014 - found guilty, sentenced to life imprisonment with a non parole period of 15years.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?494-Allison-Baden-Clay-of-Australia

 

[SouthAussie]

Took this guy just over 7 months to be convicted of his dangerous drink driving charge ... (more than 3 times the legal limit).

http://www.qt.com.au/news/swerved-between-cop-cars/2378291/


Took this guy 16 months to be convicted of his serious drink driving charge (where he hurt people).

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...n-injuring-three/story-fnn8dlfs-1227111158248


Tostee's charge was 6 months ago, on July 27th last year.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ostee-ashamed-of-himself-20141203-11z3v2.html

 

[Ausgirl]

And yet ANOTHER drunk driving incident. from 2012***:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=147564463&p=937166173#post937166173

So that's TWO previous charges. He's out on bail over the cops assault thing, and does it again,. And again, there's people in the car with him.

If he isn't jailed for this, there's something very wrong with the system. I hope at least they never let him get behind the wheel again.

****unless this the SAME incident he elsewhere says happened when he was blackout drunk on the wrong side of the road, and lost his licence for 18 months - and he's just bs'ing there about hardly being over the limit?

Who knows.

 

[marlywings]

Gable Tostee faces Southport Court accused of murdering Warriena Wright who plunged 14 storeys from his balcony

January 13, 2015 12:00AM

DELAYS in dealing with US officials from the Tinder *dating app are holding up the case against accused balcony killer Gable Tostee.

However, both his new defence team and police prosecutors are still waiting on executives from Tinder to deliver key parts of the evidence brief.

Mr Dore said he understood the complex nature of dealings with international businesses in compiling *evidence.

“It’s not unusual in compiling evidence like this that supplying a full brief takes time,” he said.

The complicated case involves mountains of evidence, including seized computers and phones.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...from-his-balcony/story-fnihsrf2-1227181972488

 

[they'll get you]

Did he tell Wrie he had a gun too? IF/when he walked back inside was Wrie in fear he was getting the gun?
Warriena was in fear for her life.


'Roses are red, violets are blue. I have a gun. Now get in my van': Woman reveals 'creepy' message Gable Tostee sent her after meeting on Tinder
Ms Angus says she stopped texting him after she received the 'creepy' message that 'insinuated violence'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Totsee-sent-meeting-Tinder.html#ixzz3OcD0ABsz
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[marlywings]

Did he tell Wrie he had a gun too? IF/when he walked back inside was Wrie in fear he was getting the gun?
Warriena was in fear for her life.


'Roses are red, violets are blue. I have a gun. Now get in my van': Woman reveals 'creepy' message Gable Tostee sent her after meeting on Tinder
Ms Angus says she stopped texting him after she received the 'creepy' message that 'insinuated violence'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Totsee-sent-meeting-Tinder.html#ixzz3OcD0ABsz
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Re the first line I've bolded. Could that have been the "object"... "solid object".... "metallic object".....??

“He said let it go let it go,” Ms Ryan said.

“At that point a heavy object dropping with a thud is heard.”

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...d-until-tomorrow/story-fnje8bkv-1227126554029

solid object.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...128046513?nk=615eb8ffdd4c9cd7c53e7af90f8405c8

Sounds of a metallic object dropping is heard

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ostees-apartment-balcony-20140908-10e4zm.html

 

[marlywings]

But then it could very well have been a knife. Also, sounds a little like Baden Clay with his self-inflicted shaver cuts....

"It is likely that the 'pattern' injury on Mr Tostee's right leg was due to an object which moved across the skin towards his right...the shape of this injury may be reflective of the shape of the causation object or part there of."

Dr van Buuren said some injuries were unrelated to the apartment incident, and it was even possible some scratches were self-inflicted.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...en-caused-by-fingernails-20140908-10e13a.html

 

[SlinkiMalinki]

But then it could very well have been a knife. Also, sounds a little like Baden Clay with his self-inflicted shaver cuts....

"It is likely that the 'pattern' injury on Mr Tostee's right leg was due to an object which moved across the skin towards his right...the shape of this injury may be reflective of the shape of the causation object or part there of."

Dr van Buuren said some injuries were unrelated to the apartment incident, and it was even possible some scratches were self-inflicted.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...en-caused-by-fingernails-20140908-10e13a.html

I will refer to this metal object as the UMO (Unidentified Metallic Object) hereafter.

Curious that GT has not named it specifically in the BBF post where he offered his account of events of the 8th August. He just called the UMO a "nearby metal object".http://www.numisc.com/forum/showthr...-oldmisc-addressing-that-night-on-the-balcony

It could be that (1) he cannot recall what the UMO was due to an alcohol induced blackout. He had previously admitted to having these blanks in his memory when he drinks too much(Unlikely but possible).

Or (2) it could be that the actual identity of the UMO is best kept from the public's knowledge at this point. (As it could really put a big dent to his defense???) But regardless, there must be a calculated reason as to why it has not been named in his BBF recount. Could it be a possibility that it was one of the items removed from the apartment by Police Forensics, and that very object has been highlighted as potential evidence that might be used in the trial and therefore he had been specifically told by his ex-lawyers to not name it? (This is only a guess of course).

He went so far as to call the UMO a "weapon" in his recount as in he "tried to remove the weapon from her" (same BBF post). So yes Marlywings, a knife is a definite possibility, but why not just say a knife then?

Something seems off here.

(3) Of course, he may just have felt that it was not an important detail to reveal. Maybe to him, he thought what the UMO was had no bearing on getting the actual point of his story across. (I don't think so but for completion and fairness, I am throwing this in there as a possibility also.)

 

[Ausgirl]

I personally believe the stupid poem was just that - a stupid poem, which he thought he would make the woman laugh but was just a bit scary to her. He backpedals when she doesn't respond well, saying 'his friend' had the phone and typed it. Loser.

I don't think he had a gun. But I do think Warriena was too scared to beat on the balcony door and demand to be let back in. Or.. she wasn't able.

I think UMO was something flimsy - like a phone, a lamp. Something not likely to cause him any harm, and that is why he won't name it. It would expose how much BS he's pushing.

 

[Ooohm]

He could have marks on his legs due to the carpet laying process, where the installer draws his (usually right) knee across the edge of the carpet tool (like a ruler stick) to smooth out the carpet, and then jams it into place along the wall. Sorry if I'm not explaining this well. But from what I've seen, they use a fair amount of force in pushing the carpet ends up against the wall. It looks like knees could be bruised doing that. Don't think the process would result in scratches on the chest.

 

[loveamystery]

I think the "object" was a figurine from his coffee table. It's a black elephant or dog or something. That's why they're not saying what it was. I think I saw it in the bbf.
ETA That object has legs or feet which could have caused parallel scratch marks. The measurements will determine what it was.

 

[SlinkiMalinki]

Again possible. I know exactly which black figurine object on the coffee table you are referring to. But in the same BBF post he did say she tried to "swing" the UMO at him. Can't quite picture it as a swingable weapon but won't rule it out also as a possibility.

 

[Kara-curious]

Again possible. I know exactly which black figurine object on the coffee table you are referring to. But in the same BBF post he did say she tried to "swing" the UMO at him. Can't quite picture it as a swingable weapon but won't rule it out also as a possibility.

Swing to me simply means one 'lashed out' but didn't connect. I think she could swing a figurine.

 

[Kara-curious]

I personally believe the stupid poem was just that - a stupid poem, which he thought he would make the woman laugh but was just a bit scary to her. He backpedals when she doesn't respond well, saying 'his friend' had the phone and typed it. Loser.

I don't think he had a gun. But I do think Warriena was too scared to beat on the balcony door and demand to be let back in. Or.. she wasn't able.

I think UMO was something flimsy - like a phone, a lamp. Something not likely to cause him any harm, and that is why he won't name it. It would expose how much BS he's pushing.

Agree with all of these points. Exactly my thoughts.

 

[SouthAussie]

I personally believe the stupid poem was just that - a stupid poem, which he thought he would make the woman laugh but was just a bit scary to her. He backpedals when she doesn't respond well, saying 'his friend' had the phone and typed it. Loser.

I don't think he had a gun. But I do think Warriena was too scared to beat on the balcony door and demand to be let back in. Or.. she wasn't able.

I think UMO was something flimsy - like a phone, a lamp. Something not likely to cause him any harm, and that is why he won't name it. It would expose how much BS he's pushing.

Agree with all of these points. Exactly my thoughts.

:yes: Me, too. :thumb:

 

[Ausgirl]

I just spent some time yesterday reading through Tostee's posts on bbf, pretty far back, comparing his descriptions of certain events at different times, comparing these to what witnesses are saying about those same events now. Watching him trip himself up a couple times when he can't keep his story straight.

So today I am looking at his words, as he manhandles a terrified, legless-drunk woman out of the balcony door, after choking and threatening her, "This is all being recorded" as possibly yet another way of terrorising her. "This is all being recorded you know" ie, HE is the one in control of the information, and thus HE has the power over how both his behaviour and the situation will be perceived, if she goes to the cops or.. whatever happens next.

Maybe that's why he didn't simply delete it all. I don't believe he kept is as a means of exonerating himself - he didn't hand the recordings in, did he, he left them in a car for the cops to find as 'evidence' - I think he left them there for the cops to find because he'd made damn sure Warriena was going to come out of whatever happened that night looking as bad as possible, and himself as blameless as possible. Even before she died. Keeping in mind, that I'm not sure her death was part of the original plan.

And I look at his words, "I'm the one who's injured, you don't have a mark", etc, (though I don't think this is true - for a reason) - how often he mentions her 'beating him up' and 'ow' (never mind Warriena saying 'that really hurt my vagina..' hey) and I can't help seeing a script. Like I wonder now, what he *did* to that girl who attacked him at the nightclub (while he was, in his own words, "sipping water" - so much for arguments that he never did any such thing..) , to get her so very angry in the first place. Of course, he claims he has "no idea"... before proclaiming he somehow wants to "make her life hell" and asks the forum how to proceed. I'm pretty sure he already had a handle on that, personally. He states that he only did not retaliate because he likes the club - if it happened at a different venue, he would've stomped her face in.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=142964133&page=1

This is followed by him whining about being banned from all major clubs in the area, a couple months later:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=151086163&page=1

Then this bizarre post, where he tries to enlist misc as his personal army to troll a female bar-tender's FB page:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=154521133&page=2