awaiting sentencing phase

[AW2B]

Could someone tell me how to expand the phone chart, please .. the text is displaying really small on my screen and all the things I usually do to zoom in don't seem to be working on that particular page :-/

CTRL and the plus sign worked for me

 

[Deleted member 102539]

~rsbm~

.. can't say I blame them, there's not really much point being there for a sentencing hearing for a verdict with which they (and many others of us) believe to be completely incorrect.

Going back to what they were saying on the TV interview about now wanting/being ready to speak privately with OP (I personally think they would be wasting their energy, but obv. realised why they feel the need to do it), I wouldn't mind betting that once this whole trial is over and he is free to do whatever he wants, he will not be in the least bit interested in meeting with them and that he was only saying he wanted to earlier in the trial because it was all part of his manipulation of it. He has no need to meet with them once it's all over and seeing as, for him, everything he does is about him, he won't be interested .. in fact, he will absolutely not want to meet them because he won't be able to hide it from them what really happened that night, they will see it in his eyes .. he's too much of a coward for them to see that.

I for myself admire Steenkamps for their attitude.
A conversation with OP I think is pointless. He will not tell them the truth (never!) and he will cry and need a bucket.
I would not do that to me, dear June and dear Barry!

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Re. the jeans outside on the ground .. I was originally in the 'belt camp' but actually, looking more closely, I'm not so sure .. I'm not really sure which bits are the 'loops' being referred to as where the 'belt' goes through but all I can see are two quite big, dark, loops which are deffo not jeans type loops although I can't really make out what they are (shame we don't have a clearer photo to be able to zoom in, isn't it!). It's still a very odd place for them to be, anyway, and I really can't see Reeva hanging washing over railings, etc, she did some other washing and the jeans would've been hung up wherever she hung the rest of the washing (and presumably it was all dry by then as her bag was fairly well packed?). It's just too co-incidental that they 'just so happened' to be directly under the bathroom/toilet window, as are all the other bits of damage around the house, they are all just too co-incidental to be ignored, too and should've been taken into account in the 'big picture' instead of just dismissed out of hand simply because, as individual pieces, they could not prove anything. I'm sure there are many other murder cases where they collect together all of these things to build the scene, they don't just find a weapon, test it for DNA and then say 'ah, that matches, you must be the murderer/have murdered', they have to use that evidence along with all sorts of other circumstantial evidence, because actually, even DNA on a knife could probably be argued away one way or another by the murderer, so the conviction itself has to comprise of a number of other things, i.e. things which build the whole picture. This was not done in this case, and we know exactly 'why', too.

Originally Reeva wanted to exit OP's house about 3pm in the afternoon. Therefore her jeans was certainly not on the balcony for drying about 12 hours later.

 

[Cherwell]

Originally Reeva wanted to exit OP's house about 3pm in the afternoon. Therefore her jeans was certainly not on the balcony for drying about 12 hours later.

I don't think it can be ruled out for that reason. If the jeans weren't dry enough to pack, she might have decided to leave them at OP's house and collect them next time. She may even have kept some clothes there, for all we know.

 

[AJ_DS]

The State failed to provide a maximum of objective data such as phone records to elaborate a timeline and offer Masipa something that matched the testimony of witnesses and contradicted OP's version of events. Why did the State feel Johnson's 3:16 and 58 seconds duration from personal notes from personal clock was sufficient ?… Johnson admitted he did not remember if 3:16 was the start time or the end time of the call. Obtaining Johnson's detailed billing would have been easy and provided irrefutable objective evidence.

The Defence exploited this weakness :

- From Stipp, the second set of bangs occurred BEFORE 3:15:51
- From Johnson, the bangs occurred AFTER 3:17:??

This is about a 2-minute discrepancy in an event that latest about 10 minutes, i.e. 20% is a universe of wiggle room for an experienced attorney to generate reasonable doubt… If one takes the event as being the time between both sets of bangs then the event latest probably about 3 minutes and the discrepancy becomes 66% !!!

The following data should have been presented by Moller in a comprehensive timeline from server times :

- Stipp
- Johnson
- EDVM (the husband called security when he saw a "commotion" in front of OP's house)
- Mike
- Security landline
- Security cellphone
- OP

Doing so would have provided the means to pinpoint within a bracket of mere seconds the time of the second set of bangs and eliminated all wiggle room on this point.

 

[AJ_DS]

Originally Reeva wanted to exit OP's house about 3pm in the afternoon. Therefore her jeans was certainly not on the balcony for drying about 12 hours later.

Yes… but too analytical IMO

People forget stuff… especially when they are hurried, nervous, etc…

OP was insisting that she stay the night… she had to go buy groceries, take a shower, etc… before OP got home

She had a speech to prepare and deliver the next morning… it was Valentine's day the next day… she had already told OP she was cooking him a romantic dinner at home… her schedule was busy and it was being overloaded by OP's last minute demands.

… add to that OP's whining about the bad news he received that day

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Why South Africa's top murder expert will not be involved in Oscar Pistorius case: she is his aunt

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...r-pistorius-case-she-is-his-aunt-8508750.html

Aunt Mikki caused that another relative, a high police official (Name Le.......??, sorry I don't remember well) drove to the crime scene to help OP. I think, this man took the phone 0020 with him. Of course, he was not controlled and he did not even appear as a witness. Not good. :notgood:

 

[atthelake]

I was surprised at this quote in link http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pistorius/11116044/Pistorius-should-pay-for-killing-our-daughter-Reeva-Steenkamps-mother-says.html

BBM

“I don’t wish to set foot in a courtroom ever again,” she said. “All we have ever wanted is the truth. We don’t necessarily want him to go to jail. Nothing will change. Reeva is not coming back.”

 

[akp]

BBM

I totally agree..the location of those jeans is a piece of the puzzle that should have been addressed..speaking of the pieces of the puzzle brings to mind Chiziweni..

At 3:22 am..which is about 5 minutes after the sound of the bat strikes was heard..and is about 8 to 10 minutes after the shots were heard...Chiziweni was fully awake/dressed greeting Carice and her father..yet we are supposed to let "I didn't hear anything" stand. So if a witness to a crime wants to be left alone...all they have to do is LIE..really?! What if said witness is an accomplice in the crime?!
Chiziweni should have been called as a witness to answer TOUGH questions. I personally can picture him falling apart on the witness stand..

Yes, but in the present set up, PT could ask tough questions only if they had a chance to cross examine him, and the defence team didn't call him, probably for that very reason. So ideally he should also have been charged with something, for being an accomplice or whatever, which would probably have forced him to be exposed to PT cross examination.

 

[AJ_DS]

One can see that both leg pants are not aligned… the jean is folded in half and the top leg is longer than the bottom leg, meaning that the waistband is open and the inside of the jean is exposed at the waistband

1- Belt loop on jean waistband, outside of the jean

2- Jean back pocket

3- Inside of the jean below jean waistband, lighter color

4- Waistband, inside of the jean

For those who see a belt, please point it out

 

[jimmy73]

Well I never. In a trial where reason and common sense appears to have gone out of the window and the tallest tales are told, his aunt is a criminal psychologist specialising in murder. You couldn't make it up.

(she also sounds completely radio rental).

 

[Mr Fossil]

comments re: your telephone note 2 [sheet 4] and the binge whatsapp messages.

op said he was 'messaging' binge, are you sure it was via whatsapp?

did op have broadband/cable and a wifi network [he was surfing *advertiser censored* on his ipad wasn't he?]... then the whatsapp/imessages could have been over wifi on his phone. or via facebook, or some other social network.
it could also have been on his ipad? via wifi/imessage? or via imessage on a separate number if the ipad had wifi + cell.

[we also know reeva had an internet connection either by wifi or cell on her ipad as she was surfing cars on it...]

Am I sure it was via WhatsApp

Yes, cousin Binge states in his Witness Statement dated 18th Feb 2013:

3. At around 20:10, on 13th Feb 2013 Oscar Pistorius and I exchanged various messages on the cell phone based messaging system WhatsApp.

4. Oscar then phoned me at 20:25 on 13 February 2013.

8. We said goodbye to each other at approximately 20:45.

OP confirms this exchange in his EIC:

"at a point I was texting my Cousin back and forth and I thought maybe I should just phone him and I called him"

They both confirm a messaging exchange is taking place and it implies more than just a couple of messages, hence the reason OP calls him. Binge states it starts at 20:10 and that it’s via WhatApp. This implies a data connection of some 15 minutes duration prior to the call. There is no such connection.

He was surfing *advertiser censored*, wasn’t he?

Yes, but not for long. If we look at his browsing history:

06:29:58 does a google search for ‘you****’
06:30:02 the main site web page is displayed
06:30:25 selects video
06:30:46 does a google search for ‘autotrader sa’

So that’s a maximum of 21 seconds. Many people play YouTube videos (for instance) on their mobiles using a mobile connection.

Could he have been using WhatsApp on his iPad?

Unlikely as it doesn’t naturally run on the iPad (to be pedantic it is possible to make it work but this is tricky). It's a mobile phone application only. It is targeted to the specific mobile using its phone number.

Does OP have Wifi?

I wondered this too. I believe the evidence suggests that OP has neither broadband nor wifi (I see the two going hand in hand where we’re talking about the iPads). I believe the iPads are the models with their own Cellular connection (SIM).

If he had wifi then his phone would surely also use it and automatically connect to it whenever he’s at home as it’s faster, doesn’t use his data allowance and is therefore potentially cheaper. Likewise Reeva’s phone too. We wouldn’t see any GPRS data connections during this period but we do. Reeva's is permanently connected; OP's connections are sporadic because I believe he uses Airplane mode to disconnect his phone

His iPad 3 doesn’t appear to be tethered to his iPhone either because there are periods when he is surfing the web when there is no GPRS connectivity on the phone.

Hence this leaves me wondering why there is no GPRS connection during the 15 minute Binge WhatsApp conversation.

I do have a theory about this but need a little more to support it first. I remain convinced that the phone data tells us more about what happened that night than was used in court.

 

[Mr Fossil]

Could someone tell me how to expand the phone chart, please .. the text is displaying really small on my screen and all the things I usually do to zoom in don't seem to be working on that particular page :-/

Did you mean the witness testimony analysis rather than phone chart? If so, it's because I made the font smaller to fit more witnesses on to the screen but I'll change it back if it's a problem.

 

[lisasalinger]

Those d@mn jeans. Well now you have me cross-eyed looking at that pic again and wondering if that is a belt or not. AJ_DS - I think you may be right. But quite frankly, it's completely irrelevant. There are about 400 other pieces of evidence that support a domestic situation and at what point does the supposition that they are all coincidence become absurd? Apparently Masipa's threshold for the absurd is pretty darn expansive.

Fossil - you are a rock star!

 

[homegirl]

Hence this leaves me wondering why there is no GPRS connection during the 15 minute Binge WhatsApp conversation.

I do have a theory about this but need a little more to support it first. I remain convinced that the phone data tells us more about what happened that night than was used in court.

That is interesting! Thank you for all the work you have done. I am looking forward to reading your conclusions.

Was any analysis done on Reva's laptop or iPad, or whatever device she used to work on her speech during the day or during the time when (if) they worked on her contract that evening?

 

[Lux et Veritas]

... Two car magazines, a wedding invitation from Oscar’s cousin, Nollie Pistorius, for Saturday 9 March 2013, and a funeral leaflet are the only signs the Paralympian ever lived here.

... Christo Menelaou, a building contractor and a friend of Oscar who lives on the estate, was appointed to repair the damage. He says setting things right will cost about R150 000. He and his team were fixing cracks on the outside of the house when Oscar still lived there. Oscar had wanted the maintenance done because he’d planned to sell the house. He’d bought a house in Atholl, Johannesburg, and was planning to move there. “The plan was to repair the water damage on the inside once he’d moved out.”

Menelaou will be renting the house in the meantime.

“There is nothing terrible about staying here. It doesn’t bother me.” Walking through the front door the first time after Reeva’s death was “weird”, he concedes. “All the furniture was still here. I felt sad. I miss my friend and all the good times and laughs we had in the house.” ...

http://you.co.za/news/oscar-pistorius/inside-oscars-home/

To each his own, but I find it creepy that any friend would want to live in such a house.

 

[AW2B]

Those d@mn jeans. Well now you have me cross-eyed looking at that pic again and wondering if that is a belt or not. AJ_DS - I think you may be right. But quite frankly, it's completely irrelevant. There are about 400 other pieces of evidence that support a domestic situation and at what point does the supposition that they are all coincidence become absurd? Apparently Masipa's threshold for the absurd is pretty darn expansive.

Fossil - you are a rock star!

BBM

You said it!

 

[Lux et Veritas]

~rsbm~

.. can't say I blame them, there's not really much point being there for a sentencing hearing for a verdict with which they (and many others of us) believe to be completely incorrect.

Going back to what they were saying on the TV interview about now wanting/being ready to speak privately with OP (I personally think they would be wasting their energy, but obv. realised why they feel the need to do it), I wouldn't mind betting that once this whole trial is over and he is free to do whatever he wants, he will not be in the least bit interested in meeting with them and that he was only saying he wanted to earlier in the trial because it was all part of his manipulation of it. He has no need to meet with them once it's all over and seeing as, for him, everything he does is about him, he won't be interested .. in fact, he will absolutely not want to meet them because he won't be able to hide it from them what really happened that night, they will see it in his eyes .. he's too much of a coward for them to see that.

Totally agree, JJ (is it OK if I call you that? )

Anyone who shoots a terrified, defenseless woman through a locked, closed door is the worst kind of coward. He doesn’t have the balls to ever face Reeva’s parents. He could never look them in the eyes - just like he totally avoided eye contact with Nel while on the stand. Add in that a civil lawsuit is very likely headed OP’s way and he’s got even more incentive not to talk with them.

(Personally, meeting alone with my daughter’s killer up close and personal, I doubt I could keep my hands off his throat.)

As someone previously said, June and Barry are total class all the way.

 

[Mr Fossil]

That is interesting! Thank you for all the work you have done. I am looking forward to reading your conclusions.

Was any analysis done on Reva's laptop or iPad, or whatever device she used to work on her speech during the day or during the time when (if) they worked on her contract that evening?

Nothing was said by the police about the laptop (other than that they had it). OP mentions 'her computer' when talking about going through Reeva's contract with her at dinner. Sales said that the activity (web pages visited) on the iPad 2 was similar to the iPad 3, just different times. More importantly, no data was shown in court from OP's 0020 phone.

 

[jay-jay]

viewing on a mac here and via safari, chrome or firefox ... cmd + or cmd - [zooms the screen view in and out]
might depend on your operating system, version, and browser and version

some discussion here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...3T2HJw45EQmViabBCh5OSew4Y/edit#gid=1420993443

.. thanks, sleuth-d ... and AW2B .. that worked! (I was doing ctrl and then scrolling my touchpad, which usually works but didn't this time!)