Blah,blah,blah?!

[gngr~snap]

One thing's sure, isn't it? If anyone asks for a way to sober a person up. this will do it faster than anything I know!

I hope you soaked that burn and scrubbed that "brown skin" (eschar)
off! You end up with a much smaller scar!

IMO the marks DO look like a stun gun.
A cigarette burn is the size of a pencil earser and enlarge before healing.
(witnessed an autopsy of a 9 mo old baby with cigarette burns in places no cigarette should have EVER been!) They are hideous!

IMO these were more the size of a pencil or a pen mark. They were not turning yellow or green as old bruises do. HOWEVER! IF they were inflicted after death to stage a scene... I can't offer an opinion on how they would look. Skin doesn't bruise after death the same way it does before.
MOO

eta: I haven't seen the autopsy photos in YEARS!
gimme a link and I'll take a re-look!

 

[Peliman]

wow I know I sound crazy! but it's so dainty! like a delicate necklace.

OH I get how it is dangerous! it's like piano wire! prob could almost behead someone. it just looks so innocent. :twocents:

Correct! However, what was found at the JB home would not.

 

[dodie20]

Hi! Newbie to the site -not to the case- but no expert I have read a many of the threads on this page over the last several weeks and decided to join up and see if you all have some answers I either overlooked or can't seem to find. Formulating my theory here but didn't know where to post this and couldn't make a new thread, so blah,blah,blah sounded good!

1) Was there any statement made by FW? I couldn't find anything.
2) Was the window swabbed for fibers, DNA, etc.?
2a) Another thing about the window story that is bothering me is that JR made it a point to say he crawled through that window, in his underwear. Doesn't anyone think it's stange that someone would remove shoes and clothing while climbing through broken glass? Did anyone call this out?
3) What shoe size does PR wear?
4) The head injury - where exactly on the skull was the point of impact (the hole in the skull)? Top, back, left side???
4a) Could the head injury have been a "dropped from a height on the top of the skull" kind of injury??
5) The garrote - was a meaning behind this ever determined or suspected? Was it used in a book, movie? Did it have a symbolic meaning that anyone could think of?
5a) Was it determined that the knot on the garrote was in the back of the neck at all times but the bruising? Could the garrote have been moved on the neck?
6) The stun gun theory -- though the marks were not "burns" as a stun gun would indicate, does anyone have enough knowledge to determine the "healing" marks of a prior stun gun use and what they would look like?
7) When JR left prior to the discovery of the body, was it ever determined how long he was gone or where he went? Was he ever observed?

I am sure this stuff has been covered but I am asking you pro's to guide me a little to these answers

I'm not a pro, but I'm glad you brought up JR climbing through the window. I never got why he would take his clothes off...but unless I'm remembering wrong, I think he said he left his shoes on. 1st of all, unless his clothes were so thick and bulky that he couldn't fit, I don't see any reason to take them off. If someone is willing to suffer the cost of a broken window, then I would think he'd be willing to fork over the money to replace cut clothes. This is one of those things that just screams, 'WHAT THE HECK?' IMO. I can't help but think it was a defensive move to explain away something, (but what?), of things that weren't made public, maybe? MOO.

 

[smurf86]

Ever notice how fantastically bad the ramseys were at lying?

And off topic congrats to madline, I hope you have a fab pregnancy

 

[BBB167893]

Ever notice how fantastically bad the ramseys were at lying?

"Ever notice?" Are you kidding, smurf? They made those million-dollar lawyers EARN that money!

 

[DeeDee249]

I thought it was a box of cigars, not cigarettes, found in the basement. Still capable of making the marks, though. I have to admit they ALWAYS looked like cigarette burns to me. Any coroner should be able to tell whether the marks were actual burns. He described them as abrasions. I am wondering now that I think about it, if maybe he described them that way to cover up what they really were. Maybe he was told to do this, maybe he was told to leave out of the report his opinion about the previous sexual abuse. He SAID it but he didn't write it.

 

[Tadpole12]

Cigarette burns on skin:

[ame="http://www.google.ca/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1131&bih=659&q=cigarette+burns+on+skin&gbv=2&oq=cigarette+bur&aq=2&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=5882l14976l0l13l12l0l3l3l0l327l2013l0.1.6.1l8"]cigarette burns on skin - Google Search[/ame]

MPE have a raised ring around the tissue that is burnt.

 

[cynic]

Hi! Newbie to the site

Welcome.
(I’m a bit short on time these days so it may be a while before I can get back to this, however, hopefully this will help and keep you busy as well.)

1)Was there any statement made by FW? I couldn't find anything.

http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/08171998whitetopeopleco.htm

http://www.acandyrose.com/s-fleet-priscilla-white.htm

2) Was the window swabbed for fibers, DNA, etc.?

Unknown but doubtful. Processing for fingerprints may have rendered that impossible.

Other areas of the basement were also processed ''for fingerprints, including the wall surrounding the basement window.
…
This grate was photographed and collected for evidence. Interior dusting of the window for fingerprints was done by crime scene investigators and no latent prints were found.
http://www.acandyrose.com/1999-BonitaPapers.htm
(If you haven’t read the Bonita Papers, you should take the time to read it.)

2a) Another thing about the window story that is bothering me is that JR made it a point to say he crawled through that window, in his underwear. Doesn't anyone think it's stange that someone would remove shoes and clothing while climbing through broken glass? Did anyone call this out?

There are many who are quite skeptical of the story. A particularly good discussion on the subject can be found at Forums For Justice.
http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6873&pp=12&page=14
Read from posts 160 – 176

3) What shoe size does PR wear?

Don’t know.

4) The head injury - where exactly on the skull was the point of impact (the hole in the skull)? Top, back, left side???

http://www.acandyrose.com/jonbenetskull1.jpg

http://www.acandyrose.com/crimescene-thebody.htm

4a) Could the head injury have been a "dropped from a height on the top of the skull" kind of injury??

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9030&page=7

[ame="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6750"]Breaking it down - Forums For Justice[/ame]

5) The garrote - was a meaning behind this ever determined or suspected? Was it used in a book, movie? Did it have a symbolic meaning that anyone could think of?

The garrote was an unusual method of strangulation, though one which was common in the Philippines, where John Ramsey had once been stationed at a naval base.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2006/jun/25/features.magazine37

5a) Was it determined that the knot on the garrote was in the back of the neck at all times but the bruising? Could the garrote have been moved on the neck?

[ame="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9784"]Autopsy photos: CAUTION GRAPHIC - Forums For Justice[/ame]

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117975"]Cords, Knots, and Strangulation Devices - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

6) The stun gun theory -- though the marks were not "burns" as a stun gun would indicate, does anyone have enough knowledge to determine the "healing" marks of a prior stun gun use and what they would look like?

The stun gun myth is something that that Lou Smit devoted the final years of his life to proving, (among other myths,) but was unsuccessful. There’s a good reason for that, he’s wrong, this and other of Smit’s canards have been debunked many times over the years.
Have a look here:
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6351335&postcount=82"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Ramsey Project Rebuttal (Non Intruder Posters Only)[/ame]

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6377547&postcount=233"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Aphrodite Jones, JonBenet, and Lou Smit?[/ame]

7) When JR left prior to the discovery of the body, was it ever determined how long he was gone or where he went? Was he ever observed?

"Q. And you had lost track of John Ramsey for a period between 10:40 and twelve o'clock?
A. No.
Q. You didn't see him during that period of time; is that correct?
A. No.
Q. It's not correct?
A. That is not correct.
Q. Didn't you report - all right. You said sometime between 10:40 and 12:00 he went out to pick up the mail.
A. No.
Q. What did you say?
A. I believe I worded it in my report rather vaguely, and what I worded and what has been put out in the media are not the same. I said something during that time frame I saw John reading his mail.
Q. We will get back to that later. But there was a period when you lost contact with him, is that right, personal contact with him?
A. I did not watch John Ramsey the entire time."
Deposition of Linda Arndt, March, 2000



In order to develop a good understanding of the case, I would recommend reading:
Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, Lawrence Schiller
JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation, Steve Thomas
The Death of Innocence, John and Patsy Ramsey
The Bonita Papers: http://www.acandyrose.com/1999-BonitaPapers.htm
Police and DA’s office interviews of John and Patsy Ramsey:
[ame="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14"]Transcripts: Ramsey murder case - Forums For Justice[/ame]
I have found that most people find the following helpful as well:
[ame="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16"]Evidence Files: Ramsey murder case - Forums For Justice[/ame]

[ame="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6404"]Analysis of the Linguistics and Handwriting in the Ramsey Ransom Note - Forums For Justice[/ame]

 

[madeleine]

I thought it was a box of cigars, not cigarettes, found in the basement. Still capable of making the marks, though. I have to admit they ALWAYS looked like cigarette burns to me. Any coroner should be able to tell whether the marks were actual burns. He described them as abrasions. I am wondering now that I think about it, if maybe he described them that way to cover up what they really were. Maybe he was told to do this, maybe he was told to leave out of the report his opinion about the previous sexual abuse. He SAID it but he didn't write it.

didn't he say there was more but he saves it for the trial?
okay,maybe he wasn't sure about some things and that's why he didn't write it down.....but if so......why didn't he call for help??(another experts,more tests,etc)was it more convenient or was he told to leave it like this (open to interpretation)?

 

[Peliman]

Welcome.
(I’m a bit short on time these days so it may be a while before I can get back to this, however, hopefully this will help and keep you busy as well.)
http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/08171998whitetopeopleco.htm

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9030&page=7

Thanks cynic, you are an awesome wealth of information. Let me start off saying I can't possibly read and comprehend everything about this case. I know of it and became more interested when the topic of "Cords, Knots, and Strangulation Devices" started and I've been reading since then when possible. So I bow to all of you with your information about this case. I hope I can clear up some confusion regarding the garrote and statements made like in the ransom note about beheading, possibly it may lead to a better understanding of some terminology I've witnessed.

I'm a little uncomfortable discussing the garrote as I know it because it's not widely held information. So if I seem a little vague sometimes, it maybe information I don't care to discuss in a public forum. There's another area I'd like to comment on and it involves the several manners of death that apparently JB suffered. Since I believe PR wrote the ransom note I suppose I'm of the camp of RDI unless I convince myself differently.

Breaking it down - Forums For Justice
The garrote was an unusual method of strangulation, though one which was common in the Philippines, where John Ramsey had once been stationed at a naval base.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2006/jun/25/features.magazine37
Autopsy photos: CAUTION GRAPHIC - Forums For Justice

Cords, Knots, and Strangulation Devices - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

This is one area I can speak to and try to clear up some misunderstandings about the word garrote and the weapon itself. The US military garrote is not intended to strangle. The US garrote has been around since at least WWII. I have read some of the history about other countries using it as a strangulation device.

For me it leaves questions about the ransom note verbiage and statements I've seen posted. JB's ligature appears very primitive and sloppy to my eyes.

 

[DeeDee249]

didn't he say there was more but he saves it for the trial?
okay,maybe he wasn't sure about some things and that's why he didn't write it down.....but if so......why didn't he call for help??(another experts,more tests,etc)was it more convenient or was he told to leave it like this (open to interpretation)?

There were some comments Mayer made alluding to saving some details in case he was put on the witness stand. He may or may not have discussed these "details" verbally in front of LE present at the autopsy. People aren't always aware of this, but there WAS another medical examiner present at the autopsy. She did not perform the autopsy or write the report, I believe she observed. I am not sure if Mayer is a coroner or Medical Examiner (they are not the same thing). So there was (supposedly) expert help available. As to why he didn't call for more help? Probably the same reason the Police Chief turned down help from the more experienced (in homicides) Denver police when it was offered. Pride, arrogance. An "I don't need help" attitude.
Mayer wouldn't describe himself as "confused" over which of the two causes of death came first. He was simply unable to determine which came first, likely because they had to have occurred close together. We know this because BOTH of the causes (head bash, strangulation) had evidence she was still alive when it occurred.
He may also have been told to "just leave it this way". I can see no good reason why bruising and blood should be found in the vagina and wiped from the pubic area of a 6-year old girl. There is no innocent explanation. This was sexual assault/abuse no matter which way you slice it. And there is no good reason I can fathom why the coroner did not put this in his report.

 

[DeeDee249]

For me it leaves questions about the ransom note verbiage and statements I've seen posted. JB's ligature appears very primitive and sloppy to my eyes.

It looks primitive and sloppy to my eyes too, and I am no expert. The R defense tried to say it was an "expert" devise, especially Lou Smit.

 

[Peliman]

It looks primitive and sloppy to my eyes too, and I am no expert. The R defense tried to say it was an "expert" devise, especially Lou Smit.

So the question that puzzles me is, why were the results of one type of garrote (US type) written in the ransom note, yet the strangulation device used in the ligature (old school garrote?) used on JB?

No this was not an expert devise, not even boy scout material. IMO

 

[gypsychild]

I'm not a pro, but I'm glad you brought up JR climbing through the window. I never got why he would take his clothes off...but unless I'm remembering wrong, I think he said he left his shoes on. 1st of all, unless his clothes were so thick and bulky that he couldn't fit, I don't see any reason to take them off. If someone is willing to suffer the cost of a broken window, then I would think he'd be willing to fork over the money to replace cut clothes. This is one of those things that just screams, 'WHAT THE HECK?' IMO. I can't help but think it was a defensive move to explain away something, (but what?), of things that weren't made public, maybe? MOO.

That's what I am wondering - why this story? Naked through a broken window??? No way. Makes me wonder if JBR's body was in/through that window at any time -- maybe in the time period JB was not seen that morning??? Sounds like he was explaining away anything they could find on that window...

 

[dodie20]

Welcome.
(I’m a bit short on time these days so it may be a while before I can get back to this, however, hopefully this will help and keep you busy as well.)
http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/08171998whitetopeopleco.htm

http://www.acandyrose.com/s-fleet-priscilla-white.htm
Unknown but doubtful. Processing for fingerprints may have rendered that impossible.

Other areas of the basement were also processed ''for fingerprints, including the wall surrounding the basement window.
…
This grate was photographed and collected for evidence. Interior dusting of the window for fingerprints was done by crime scene investigators and no latent prints were found.
http://www.acandyrose.com/1999-BonitaPapers.htm
(If you haven’t read the Bonita Papers, you should take the time to read it.)
There are many who are quite skeptical of the story. A particularly good discussion on the subject can be found at Forums For Justice.
http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6873&pp=12&page=14
Read from posts 160 – 176

Don’t know.

http://www.acandyrose.com/jonbenetskull1.jpg

http://www.acandyrose.com/crimescene-thebody.htm

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9030&page=7

Breaking it down - Forums For Justice
The garrote was an unusual method of strangulation, though one which was common in the Philippines, where John Ramsey had once been stationed at a naval base.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2006/jun/25/features.magazine37
Autopsy photos: CAUTION GRAPHIC - Forums For Justice

Cords, Knots, and Strangulation Devices - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

The stun gun myth is something that that Lou Smit devoted the final years of his life to proving, (among other myths,) but was unsuccessful. There’s a good reason for that, he’s wrong, this and other of Smit’s canards have been debunked many times over the years.
Have a look here:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Ramsey Project Rebuttal (Non Intruder Posters Only)

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Aphrodite Jones, JonBenet, and Lou Smit?
"Q. And you had lost track of John Ramsey for a period between 10:40 and twelve o'clock?
A. No.
Q. You didn't see him during that period of time; is that correct?
A. No.
Q. It's not correct?
A. That is not correct.
Q. Didn't you report - all right. You said sometime between 10:40 and 12:00 he went out to pick up the mail.
A. No.
Q. What did you say?
A. I believe I worded it in my report rather vaguely, and what I worded and what has been put out in the media are not the same. I said something during that time frame I saw John reading his mail.
Q. We will get back to that later. But there was a period when you lost contact with him, is that right, personal contact with him?
A. I did not watch John Ramsey the entire time."
Deposition of Linda Arndt, March, 2000



In order to develop a good understanding of the case, I would recommend reading:
Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, Lawrence Schiller
JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation, Steve Thomas
The Death of Innocence, John and Patsy Ramsey
The Bonita Papers: http://www.acandyrose.com/1999-BonitaPapers.htm
Police and DA’s office interviews of John and Patsy Ramsey:
Transcripts: Ramsey murder case - Forums For Justice
I have found that most people find the following helpful as well:
Evidence Files: Ramsey murder case - Forums For Justice

Analysis of the Linguistics and Handwriting in the Ramsey Ransom Note - Forums For Justice

Thanks for posting these links. I went and read them all. Some of the transcript stuff, I hadn't read before, and it was a real eye opener. A few things jumped off the page, IMO. for instance...JR saying things like, 'I was just trying to verify in my own mind that I had in fact broken the window last summer and it was cleaned up...' and regarding the suitcase...'But I think it was where I left it, where it was when I went down before'. WHERE I LEFT IT? Oh my. and here's PR speculating on an intruder being in the house while they were gone...'and they could have had their way with the house, have known where the flashlights were, where the pads of paper were, where Bibles were...you know.' I actually had to go back and reread that and I was thinking, 'flashlight? check. paper? check. Bible???? There are a lot of these instances, but JR in his underwear and PR talking about killers needing Bibles, are the 2 that I have the hardest time trying to make heads or tails of. MOO.

 

[Nova]

Speaking of 911, watch 'In Plane Site". DeeDee. I have stories about that too, they take place at the same hospital as the ghost stories. Sorry, back on topic.

Anyone who believe in God, most likely believes in Satan. That he is evil. The classic 'good vs evil'. It is what we grow up with. The evilness that humans can inflict upon each other, continually amazes me. There are many people who appear normal and sane, but do horrendous things. Many serial killers have been described as charming, that they appeared to be 'normal'. Scary indeed.

Just for the record, most people who believe in God do NOT believe in Satan. The latter is a concept of many Christian denominations--but not all (my deeply devout family didn't believe in Satan or Hell)--however, Satan isn't a figure in Judaism, Buddhism, Shinto or Hinduism. Even the Islamic talk of the U.S. as "the Great Satan" must refer to a different concept; otherwise, they wouldn't have a "great" Satan to be opposed to other, lesser satans.

Bottom line: Satan is a specific concept with a specific history. Most who believe in God do NOT believe in Satan.

But you are right that there are some very sick people who appear quite normal.

 

[DeeDee249]

Just for the record, most people who believe in God do NOT believe in Satan. The latter is a concept of many Christian denominations--but not all (my deeply devout family didn't believe in Satan or Hell)--however, Satan isn't a figure in Judaism, Buddhism, Shinto or Hinduism. Even the Islamic talk of the U.S. as "the Great Satan" must refer to a different concept; otherwise, they wouldn't have a "great" Satan to be opposed to other, lesser satans.

Bottom line: Satan is a specific concept with a specific history. Most who believe in God do NOT believe in Satan.

But you are right that there are some very sick people who appear quite normal.

The word "Satan" actually means "adversary". It is a concept to describe the challenges or temptations that are placed in our lives, and many believe it is God himself who agrees or allows these to take place. Over time, 'satan" took on the personae of Lucifer, the fallen angel and is seen as the same entity, referred to as the "Devil".
There are negative entities in the world, that is well known, and they are not always confined to the lower astral planes.

 

[KoldKase]

I've said this many times, and no one ever seems to comment/follow up, etc., so I'm probably just pizzing in the wind, but it answers the question of John Ramsey's midnight window entry very easily, if anyone is interested, and takes a few minutes of your time.

Read John's story about how he stripped down to his underwear, either taking his shoes off and putting them back on or doing that thing where you try to pull your pants off with your shoes on and about break your neck; then continue reading this post to see photos of Smit going through that window; then try your own EASY experiment with going through a "window" like John did:

[ame="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9946"]John Ramsey BDA interview - June 23, 1998 - Forums For Justice[/ame]


Here are photos of Lou Smit, photographed at least two or three times for the media and the Tracey crocs, climbing in that basement window. Notice how narrow the window well is--that's KEY--and the large air duct obstructing the basement window from even opening fully, not to mention the four ft. drop to the floor--ALSO KEY:

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9775&page=2

Now go to the side of your bed or to your couch and get on your knees and try to back off to your floor WITHOUT PUTTING YOUR FEET ON THE FLOOR UNTIL YOU'RE OFF THE BED/COUCH; like John Ramsey SAID he backed into the basement out of the window well on his knees, with a FOUR FOOT DROP TO THE FLOOR. Notice how Smit had some ways to DROP when he came through the window ON HIS BEHIND. There is no where to put your FEET when you're backing in, you have to DROP to the floor.


Then explain to me how you did it, because I can't, not without flopping on my belly on the bed and then shoving my torso, using my arms, into the floor, scraping the bed as I go. Maybe I'm just spastic, but it seems to be something I cannot figure out how to do.

If I had about 18 inches of space like the window well to do it in, unless I were 3 ft. tall, NO WAY.

As I see it, John Ramsey was lying through his teeth when he told that story to Thomas in 1997, then Smit in 1998. But if I'm wrong, someone please correct me because I cannot figure it out. :scratchhead:

 

[dodie20]

I've said this many times, and no one ever seems to comment/follow up, etc., so I'm probably just pizzing in the wind, but it answers the question of John Ramsey's midnight window entry very easily, if anyone is interested, and takes a few minutes of your time.

Read John's story about how he stripped down to his underwear, either taking his shoes off and putting them back on or doing that thing where you try to pull your pants off with your shoes on and about break your neck; then continue reading this post to see photos of Smit going through that window; then try your own EASY experiment with going through a "window" like John did:

John Ramsey BDA interview - June 23, 1998 - Forums For Justice


Here are photos of Lou Smit, photographed at least two or three times for the media and the Tracey crocs, climbing in that basement window. Notice how narrow the window well is--that's KEY--and the large air duct obstructing the basement window from even opening fully, not to mention the four ft. drop to the floor--ALSO KEY:

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9775&page=2

Now go to the side of your bed or to your couch and get on your knees and try to back off to your floor WITHOUT PUTTING YOUR FEET ON THE FLOOR UNTIL YOU'RE OFF THE BED/COUCH; like John Ramsey SAID he backed into the basement out of the window well on his knees, with a FOUR FOOT DROP TO THE FLOOR. Notice how Smit had some ways to DROP when he came through the window ON HIS BEHIND. There is no where to put your FEET when you're backing in, you have to DROP to the floor.


Then explain to me how you did it, because I can't, not without flopping on my belly on the bed and then shoving my torso, using my arms, into the floor, scraping the bed as I go. Maybe I'm just spastic, but it seems to be something I cannot figure out how to do.

If I had about 18 inches of space like the window well to do it in, unless I were 3 ft. tall, NO WAY.

As I see it, John Ramsey was lying through his teeth when he told that story to Thomas in 1997, then Smit in 1998. But if I'm wrong, someone please correct me because I cannot figure it out. :scratchhead:

Yeah, it seems like a lie, but what blows my mind, is Why did JR put himself in his underwear in the basement? moo

 

[Whaleshark]

So the question that puzzles me is, why were the results of one type of garrote (US type) written in the ransom note, yet the strangulation device used in the ligature (old school garrote?) used on JB?

No this was not an expert devise, not even boy scout material. IMO

...Don't think it was expert either, but I think it rather does look like boy scout material: a commando toggle rope -

Commando Toggle Rope:

JonBenet's neck device: