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CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #8
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Although we have names of her friends (those given in newspapers), Audrey may have other friends of whom we do not know. We keep going around in circles with the same people...... I don't think Audrey told everyone her business.... there may have been some things, and other people, in her life, even up to her last days, of which she may have kept to herself.
I too hope justice for Audrey, agree the car was not the motive.
I agree. Just fyi the same lead detective as in the Fred and Lynn Gilbank case.
Thank you for this post, hoping for justice for Diane Werendowicz and Audrey. Keep the hope, it could take many years but eventually justice prevails.
Interesting article, pics include Detective Hrab.
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2121400-a-complicated-path/
Maybe this case is not back to Hrab, just that Hrab started out in charge of this case?
Interesting new thread under cold cases. I recall the case, but know very little about it.
CANADA CA - Gilbank, Fred & Lynn, Postans Path, found murdered 1998 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
Interesting new thread under cold cases. I recall the case, but know very little about it.
CANADA CA - Gilbank, Fred & Lynn, Postans Path, found murdered 1998 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
You are correct, the case started with Hrab.( Do you recall the Beverley Perrin (teacher) case, Hrab originally as well. Thankfully the wrongly accused was eventually cleared.)
A link to the case you are referring to amron - mentioning Hrab's involvement in the Perrin case.
http://injusticebusters.org/index.htm/chrismccullough2.htm
What the heck? He's 0 for 3 out of the three cases mentioned in the last couple of days here. Shouldn't he be directing traffic up and down the mountain?
I am open to Det Hrab was being played dotr. Was it the luck of the draw who caught AG's case that day?
Imo, a lot would be gleaned from who reported seeing DLS in the washroom of a bank with a knife. We don't know how DLS came to be in the bank washroom - seems odd to me. Very odd.
Another HPS Det might have stopped a little longer to think about what they saw though on 30 Dec 2010. I believe Det IM (RIP) was able to determine what actions did and did not take place at AG's that day.
Imo, a lot would be gleaned from who reported seeing DLS in the washroom of a bank with a knife. We don't know how DLS came to be in the bank washroom - seems odd to me. Very odd.
Another HPS Det might have stopped a little longer to think about what they saw though on 30 Dec 2010. I believe Det IM (RIP) was able to determine what actions did and did not take place at AG's that day.
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quote Woodland: "Another HPS Det might have stopped a little longer to think about what they saw though on 30 Dec 2010. I believe Det IM (RIP) was able to determine what actions did and did not take place at AG's that day. " unquote.
I totally agree!!
I totally agree!!
http://www.nationaltriad.org/Williamsburg08/docs/SexualHomicideofElderlyFemales.pdf
"Safarik et al. / HOMICIDE OF ELDERLY FEMALES
The FBI consults regularly on the investigation of extraordinarily violent and unusual homicide
cases. Although overall awareness of elderly victimization throughout the United States has
greatly increased over the past decade, little attention has been focused on elderly female victims
of sexual homicides and the offenders who commit these crimes. Law enforcement agencies are
often faced with rarely seen and excessively violent crime scenes as they attempt to solve these
homicides. This in-depth study examines the characteristics of 128 elderly women who were
murdered by 110 offenders as well as the characteristics of the attendant crime scenes. An empir
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ical analysis of crime scene attributes, victim characteristics (including severity of victim inju
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ries), and offender demographics produces significant predictive information about offender
characteristics that may assist law enforcement investigations of such cases.
Sexual Homicide
of Elderly Females
Linking Offender Characteristics
to Victim and Crime Scene Attributes"
"Safarik et al. / HOMICIDE OF ELDERLY FEMALES
The FBI consults regularly on the investigation of extraordinarily violent and unusual homicide
cases. Although overall awareness of elderly victimization throughout the United States has
greatly increased over the past decade, little attention has been focused on elderly female victims
of sexual homicides and the offenders who commit these crimes. Law enforcement agencies are
often faced with rarely seen and excessively violent crime scenes as they attempt to solve these
homicides. This in-depth study examines the characteristics of 128 elderly women who were
murdered by 110 offenders as well as the characteristics of the attendant crime scenes. An empir
-
ical analysis of crime scene attributes, victim characteristics (including severity of victim inju
-
ries), and offender demographics produces significant predictive information about offender
characteristics that may assist law enforcement investigations of such cases.
Sexual Homicide
of Elderly Females
Linking Offender Characteristics
to Victim and Crime Scene Attributes"
Good article thanks Dotr still reading: average age 27.
Of the offenders, 56% live
within six blocks of the victim, with nearly 30% living on the same block. Overall, 81% of
the offenders travel to the scene on foot.
he offenders in many respects are found to be quite similar. For instance,
90% have criminal records, with burglary (59%) making up the highest pro
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portion. However, property and violent offenses are found to be approxi
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mately equally represented among those with criminal histories. It should be
noted that just 21% are found to have sex offenses in their criminal histories, a
key point for law enforcement when considering the background of potential
suspects. In terms of their employment skill levels, 93% are unskilled, with
nearly 70% unemployed. Of the offenders, 93% have 12 years or fewer of for
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mal education, and 19% of that group have 8 years or fewer. Of those who
attended high school, the majority had spotty attendance records and poor
academic performance. Many simply dropped out after a couple of years.
Also, 93% had a history of substance abuse, with no race or age trends noted.
The drug abused most often was alcohol
Of the offenders, 56% live
within six blocks of the victim, with nearly 30% living on the same block. Overall, 81% of
the offenders travel to the scene on foot.
he offenders in many respects are found to be quite similar. For instance,
90% have criminal records, with burglary (59%) making up the highest pro
-
portion. However, property and violent offenses are found to be approxi
-
mately equally represented among those with criminal histories. It should be
noted that just 21% are found to have sex offenses in their criminal histories, a
key point for law enforcement when considering the background of potential
suspects. In terms of their employment skill levels, 93% are unskilled, with
nearly 70% unemployed. Of the offenders, 93% have 12 years or fewer of for
-
mal education, and 19% of that group have 8 years or fewer. Of those who
attended high school, the majority had spotty attendance records and poor
academic performance. Many simply dropped out after a couple of years.
Also, 93% had a history of substance abuse, with no race or age trends noted.
The drug abused most often was alcohol
This case reminded me of Audrey's murder.
Lots of twists and turns, ultimately solved by the tenacity, DNA.. AND time!!
http://tv.msn.com/tv/episode/murder-she-solved/kansas-killer/
http://cjonline.com/stories/031508/loc_258034561.shtml
Lots of twists and turns, ultimately solved by the tenacity, DNA.. AND time!!
http://tv.msn.com/tv/episode/murder-she-solved/kansas-killer/
http://cjonline.com/stories/031508/loc_258034561.shtml
RSBM
Very much enjoyed this article - pulling a few bits that caught my attention.
Safarik opens his paper with 3 brutal murder cases of elderly females - 2 stabbings and 1 with use of a broken piece of glass (in the same category imo).
Yet when he breaks down the COD stats (under heading 'The Victims') he makes no mention of stabbing as a cause of death in the cases he uses for study. I don't get that, but maybe I am missing something.
Safarik uses 63% death by strangulation, 38% blunt force trauma (already totals 101) and firearms 1%. He does mention his stats differ to other studies.
So AG is in a category that is rare? I don't know.
Murder of elderly females in this study is extremely brutal, yet PK did not notice this upon his approach to AG, but Det H did (or he did later?). AG had her coat and other clothing on, which is in contrast to this study.
The average age of the offender is 27 (page 9). A number to go with 'young' sometimes 'young and close'?
Semen is found in 48% of cases of the sexual assaults. Interesting - reasoning on the part of the offender - don't get caught?
Page 16 - few crimes occurred between absolute strangers. More often than not, there was some form of previous contact - some contact close, some slightly remote.
Page 18 - interaction at the crime scene was primarily with the victim - when items were taken, they were generally located with a cursory search. Along with 'clearly offenders have more than 1 motive and change motive'.
I appreciated Safarik's clarification that 'organized' and 'unorganized' relates to crime scene behavior only.
Imo, those descriptions are often used to imply knowledge of the offender outside of the crime scene - in particular the profiler used in the CJ case. He 'stated' the perp liked music which, imo, was a huge set back for profilers.
Imo, those descriptions are often used to imply knowledge of the offender outside of the crime scene - in particular the profiler used in the CJ case. He 'stated' the perp liked music which, imo, was a huge set back for profilers.
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