CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #13

[tamild]

I have read all the pages of all the threads about Dylan and have a couple of thoughts I just can't keep to myself any longer.

My husband was as a child and remains an ardent fly fisherman. If, when he was 13, his parents had come home to find him nowhere in evidence they would have looked for his fly rod immediately. If he had awakened and had a couple of hours to kill until whatever, especially in the world class fly fishing environs of Durango, he absolutely would have been on the stream. Alone. Without telling anyone. Although I've seen no indication of it here I sincerely hope that whole stream by Dylan's dad's home has been thoroughly searched.

I'm very interested to learn how came LE to rule out the runaway scenario. The post a few pages back alluding to one of Dylan's friends fb posts smacked to me of the friend believing Dylan was gone of his own volition and would, in fact, be reading the post. When I was 13 my best friend's parents were on the back side of a vitriolic divorce and she was in the custody of her impressively alcoholic mother. I concurred with her decision to run away in protest. Although her plans carried her through New York's Port Authority and Grand Central Station I had not one iota of fear for her well-being. We were 13, we were invincible, we thought the world was a safe place, and no one understood us as well as we understood each other. When her mother called to ask whether I knew where she was I lied. When our headmaster called with the same question I lied again. Would I have lied to LE? Undoubtedly. Would I still have been lying 3 weeks later? Possibly. Our loyalties were to each other. My friend arrived safely at her destination and was returned to her mother within a week or so. She never ratted me out about all the lying so far as I know.

As a former middle school teacher I think that trying to second guess the thought processes of a 13 year old is the road to folly. Although second guessing is much of what we have to work with here, I do it with long teeth.

As does everyone else I continue to hope for a happy outcome here. I'm not convinced that we won't have one.

Great post! And as to the portion BBM, as a mother of a 13yo, I couldn't agree more.

 

[windrower]

I have read all the pages of all the threads about Dylan and have a couple of thoughts I just can't keep to myself any longer.

My husband was as a child and remains an ardent fly fisherman. If, when he was 13, his parents had come home to find him nowhere in evidence they would have looked for his fly rod immediately. If he had awakened and had a couple of hours to kill until whatever, especially in the world class fly fishing environs of Durango, he absolutely would have been on the stream. Alone. Without telling anyone. Although I've seen no indication of it here I sincerely hope that whole stream by Dylan's dad's home has been thoroughly searched.

I'm very interested to learn how came LE to rule out the runaway scenario. The post a few pages back alluding to one of Dylan's friends fb posts smacked to me of the friend believing Dylan was gone of his own volition and would, in fact, be reading the post. When I was 13 my best friend's parents were on the back side of a vitriolic divorce and she was in the custody of her impressively alcoholic mother. I concurred with her decision to run away in protest. Although her plans carried her through New York's Port Authority and Grand Central Station I had not one iota of fear for her well-being. We were 13, we were invincible, we thought the world was a safe place, and no one understood us as well as we understood each other. When her mother called to ask whether I knew where she was I lied. When our headmaster called with the same question I lied again. Would I have lied to LE? Undoubtedly. Would I still have been lying 3 weeks later? Possibly. Our loyalties were to each other. My friend arrived safely at her destination and was returned to her mother within a week or so. She never ratted me out about all the lying so far as I know.

As a former middle school teacher I think that trying to second guess the thought processes of a 13 year old is the road to folly. Although second guessing is much of what we have to work with here, I do it with long teeth.

As does everyone else I continue to hope for a happy outcome here. I'm not convinced that we won't have one.

Oh my goodness. Great minds and all that. I just lost a post to the ether about this very thing.

I've read Dylan's threads since the beginning, but haven't read every post. So I don't know if this OT theory has been discussed before.

Could a friend be helping Dylan hide out somewhere? With Dylan's family dynamics, maybe he just wanted to "disappear" for awhile, the story got really big, and he doesn't know how to "reappear." At age 13, situations can be black and white, and consequences are not necessarily thought about in their entirety.

Have all abandoned\seasonal\seldom used structures in the area been searched? Especially ones close by where a friend could deliver stuff to Dylan? I'd love for searchers to find something that doesn't add up in a normal way.

Yes, I'm probably grasping at straws. Just trying to come up with a scenario that might fit what we know, and still have Dylan be safe and sound.

Prayers and good thoughts sent this morning for Dylan, to his family, friends, and all who are searching for him.

 

[mmmagique]

I fail to understand why ER has been continually blamed for MR's behavior.

Quoted for Truth

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

What I have found interesting while following the discussion regarding Dylan how little has been mention with respect to the various lodges in the area that are booked for hunting, fishing, various lake and winter activities, hiking, and a number of activities especially around Thanksgiving when a number of families would/could potentially taking the week while their kids are not in school.

This does not even take into account the number of people employed by each of these facilities. When do their shifts start? Is the employment seasonal as often found in mountainous areas especially during the ski season.

There is a reason that there are 144 SO in this region, a large number which are not required to register.

This post raises some great points...

to follow the theory that there was an abduction there (JMO) should be more investigation into other candidates....

LE may have been doing this all-along... And I am just not aware of it...

but the situations you described above are a great avenue to start investigating...

JMO

 

[Abby Normal Again]

True. But it is now halfway through December. Dylan packed for his trip in Mid-November. So they probably did not expect there to be any blizzards. But if there were, I am sure that Dad had some warm clothes in his closet. JMO

Yes, and I expected questions. But didn't he say that the only two options were dad did it or Dylan fell in a sink hole and disappeared?

That's not asking questions about behavior it throwing out concerns, that is using your weight as a quasi-specialist to make a determined statement without any of the facts that LE has. Statements that could impact the investigation. No professional worth his weight in his field should ever speak definitively w/o more than behavioral observations IMO.

 

[TxLady2]

I believe Beach (?) said earlier that Marc Klaas is usually very supportive of parents, so maybe he isn't this time for a reason?

Yes, he is generally supportive of parents, and offers a lot of good advice. However, he and his ex-wife, Polly's mother, obviously had a very civilized relationship, no animosity between them, so I doubt that he could really relate to this man's behavior at all.
I respect Marc Klass greatly, but sometimes he has an arrogant attitude about the people in these cases that kind of makes me grit my teeth.

 

[windrower]

[snipped by me]

I'm very interested to learn how came LE to rule out the runaway scenario. The post a few pages back alluding to one of Dylan's friends fb posts smacked to me of the friend believing Dylan was gone of his own volition and would, in fact, be reading the post. When I was 13 my best friend's parents were on the back side of a vitriolic divorce and she was in the custody of her impressively alcoholic mother. I concurred with her decision to run away in protest. Although her plans carried her through New York's Port Authority and Grand Central Station I had not one iota of fear for her well-being. We were 13, we were invincible, we thought the world was a safe place, and no one understood us as well as we understood each other. When her mother called to ask whether I knew where she was I lied. When our headmaster called with the same question I lied again. Would I have lied to LE? Undoubtedly. Would I still have been lying 3 weeks later? Possibly. Our loyalties were to each other. My friend arrived safely at her destination and was returned to her mother within a week or so. She never ratted me out about all the lying so far as I know.

As a former middle school teacher I think that trying to second guess the thought processes of a 13 year old is the road to folly.

Snipped and BBM.

I think Ten-96's comment about trying to think like a 13-year-old is worth seeing again. And her real-world story of lying for a friend rings so true for that age group--maybe for almost any age group, really. It happens. I've known adults who have gotten caught up in something beyond their control, and couldn't see their way out without help from someone on the "outside."

Thank you for sharing your experience, Ten-96.

 

[TxLady2]

We normally do have cold weather and snow long before December, read about the Halloween blizzard in 1991. Like I said, I don't keep up with the weather in Colorado, or other states for that matter, so it's quite possible that it's just the Midwest that has lousy weather in late November. :dunno:

Nope, CO has been known to have snow in Oct. in some areas. My husband has two grown kids there and the daughter keeps us up on the weather in the winter.
There are mountains in that area, right? It snows in the mountains when it's actually pleasant lower down. I was there one time in early May when it had been raining and not real cold. Imagine my surprise when it started snowing that afternoon and by the next morning the ground was covered with a foot or more of snow.

 

[shefner]

I thought I had read on here that LE said MR was not a suspect ?

And if he is not then a poly would not be needed .

LE has confirmed that both parents were given polys. They will not release the results.

 

[DylansMom34]

Colorado has been unseasonably warm this year. In fact, I've seen people still using their sprinkler systems. Usually sprinkler systems are blown out no later than the 2nd or 3rd week of October. This past weekend, the temps really dropped and there was some snow in the mountains. I'm not in Dylan's area of the state, but until this past weekend, its been very warm and I've seen many people in shorts, t-shirts, etc.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Holy crapola! I just resurfaced from the last 20 pages of thread #12 and at least 30 pages of this thread. I have no idea how I survived that.:blushing:
Gah, time differences can be a real drag.



Anyway, it was really good to finally hear Mark Klaas' view on this case.
I think I'm still :fence: though - I really just don't know what to think anymore, sooo I guess this was clearly a really pointless post. :shutup:



:twocents:

Thanks for checking in from the land of Oz, FruitTingles!:seeya:

 

[Marilynilpa]

Aww....I'm so sorry for the loss of your sweet cat, TxLady. We have 2 cats that are 7 years old. They drive me absolutely crazy! They are what I like to call, "'Neaky!'" They shed fur everywhere....and run when I yell at them for catching them breaking the rules. But if they were gone, I would miss them so bad.
Praying comfort for you and your son....

Me, too, TxLady. As my avatar might suggest, I love cats. I truly sympathize with you over your loss.

(((((((HUGS)))))))

 

[TxLady2]

True, but when you think about it, Polly was one of the first children to be abducted from their bedrooms. Pretty much before that it was unheard of. I remember that story being questioned and hinky back in the day. Marc Klaas looked guilty to a lot of people, his story made no sense. Back then, who goes into someone's house when the parents are home and takes a child from their bed???? Now you hear about it all the time but back then, not at all.

He knows what it feels like to be questioned, to have his love for his child questioned, to think he could have harmed his own daughter. He knows. And he knows that things didn't sound right when he said them.

How are you suppose to act when your child disappears?? There is no handbook. There is no right or wrong way to do it, it's all individualized.

When someone sees a mouse, they don't all react the same way. My mother screams, freaks out and stands on chairs, yelling at the top of her lungs for my father to kill it. I just roll my eyes and walk into another room til it's caught. Yet I have a friend that picks up snakes and plays with them, I scream and freak out if I see a picture of one. I almost have a heart attack when I see one.

Look at this place. No one sees eye to eye on anything. For every item there is to discuss, there are no less than 25 different interpretations of what it means. Which one is right? Which one is wrong??? We don't know.

Are we twins?? I am the same way about mice and snakes.

I agree with you 100%. I wasn't even aware of Polly's case at the time it happened, but wasn't she abducted while at her dad's house, during a sleepover with some friends?

I wonder, if Mark Redwine was a classy looking guy wearing a suit and tie, very educated and well spoken, would people here still suspect him? It seems that the dads who appear kind of scruffy looking and who stumble around with words, aren't good at speaking in front of cameras always seem to get the worst criticism. Mark Lundsford, Steve Groene, for example. They were highly suspicious to LE and the public, but they had nothing to do with their kids' deaths.

I read something in a book last night that really hit me and made a lot of sense, talking about a parent's reactions when their child goes missing. It said something like, you don't cry on cue, you don't shed your tears in public, or in front of cameras. You cry when you're alone, when there is nobody standing or sitting next to you with an arm around your shoulders. That's when the reality hits you, that's when you let your hair down and give in to the fear and the dread and the worry, and wondering where your child is, and are they safe? Are they hungry, or thirsty, or scared? Are they crying out your name, and begging for someone to come and get them?

Nobody can understand, not even a fraction, unless they've gone through it themselves. Everybody should go back and read what the poster wrote who went through it. What you think you would do goes out the window when it hits home and you're in that place yourself.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Now that MR has an attorney I would say its very unlikely that he'll agree to another polygraph.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I have read all the pages of all the threads about Dylan and have a couple of thoughts I just can't keep to myself any longer.

My husband was as a child and remains an ardent fly fisherman. If, when he was 13, his parents had come home to find him nowhere in evidence they would have looked for his fly rod immediately. If he had awakened and had a couple of hours to kill until whatever, especially in the world class fly fishing environs of Durango, he absolutely would have been on the stream. Alone. Without telling anyone. Although I've seen no indication of it here I sincerely hope that whole stream by Dylan's dad's home has been thoroughly searched.

I'm very interested to learn how came LE to rule out the runaway scenario. The post a few pages back alluding to one of Dylan's friends fb posts smacked to me of the friend believing Dylan was gone of his own volition and would, in fact, be reading the post. When I was 13 my best friend's parents were on the back side of a vitriolic divorce and she was in the custody of her impressively alcoholic mother. I concurred with her decision to run away in protest. Although her plans carried her through New York's Port Authority and Grand Central Station I had not one iota of fear for her well-being. We were 13, we were invincible, we thought the world was a safe place, and no one understood us as well as we understood each other. When her mother called to ask whether I knew where she was I lied. When our headmaster called with the same question I lied again. Would I have lied to LE? Undoubtedly. Would I still have been lying 3 weeks later? Possibly. Our loyalties were to each other. My friend arrived safely at her destination and was returned to her mother within a week or so. She never ratted me out about all the lying so far as I know.

As a former middle school teacher I think that trying to second guess the thought processes of a 13 year old is the road to folly. Although second guessing is much of what we have to work with here, I do it with long teeth.

As does everyone else I continue to hope for a happy outcome here. I'm not convinced that we won't have one.

:wagon: Ten-96! :welcome:

thank you for your thoughtful post! :seeya:

 

[Davia18]

MR did say a fish pole was missing correct ?

It seems to me JMO that one of two things happened. Dylan really did take his backpack and fishing pole and for some reason left his phone and went to go fish to kill time until dad got home. And he has drowned.

Two MR did something to him and got ride of packback and fishing pole for his alibi. The reason he didn't get rid of phone was worried LE would ping it. JMO

 

[tamild]

Good point. Especially since the general opinion is that mom would make sure his cell phone was charged and he took his charger with him, before sending him off on the plane.

Your comment made me think of something. Didn't ER say that the cell and the charger were in his backpack? How does she know this? Did she ask him? Did she put it there herself? Did she see him put it in there? Did MR tell her this? If Dylan is as attached to his phone as some believe, why didn't he have it in his pocket? We know from post-landing pics that his shorts have pockets. :waitasec:

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

DURANGO, Colo.—Authorities say a weekend search for a missing 13-year-old boy in southwestern Colorado has turned up a handful of clues.
The La Plata County Sheriff's Office says about 300 people searched an area between Durango and Vallecito on Saturday for clues in the disappearance of Dylan Redwine.
Investigators say that of dozens of items flagged by searchers, 10 were collected for future reference in the case.


Read more: Search for Dylan Redwine in Colorado turns up clues - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22157584/search-missing-boy-sw-colo-turns-up-clues#ixzz2EfJQqp4s
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[TxLady2]

I felt he was, because he called Mark cruel and something else, either malicious and vicious or something, can't remember right now, it's late, for not returning Elaine and Cory's texts, etc.

But for all we know, when he text Elaine to ask her if she heard from Dylan, she sent him back a string of expletives that would burn your eyes. And maybe they continued. Then she had Cody text him and maybe he did so with the same attitude. Who knows.

But Marc didn't know that or find out, he just took her word for it that she sent texts and he didn't return them. But before knowing WHY, Marc decided it was cruel.

And for all we know, he may have been being interrogated at the time by police. Because remember, after she text her and asked her if she'd heard from Dylan, she called to report it and he went to the police department to report it. He may have been right in the middle of filing this report when she was burning up the phone with texts or calls. And as far as if she were calling to tell him she heard from Dylan, if he was at the police station, she could have called there and told them that she heard from Dylan and Mark would have heard that way.

I'm just saying he didn't know why and he didn't give any benefit of the doubt. However, he hemmed and hawed to make sure he was very delicate when addressing Elaine going on National TV saying that she thought he'd do something bad to Dylan to get even with her. (paraphrased.) He said in the nicest possible way that it wasn't right but under the circumstances of having a missing child, she was under stress and got carried away. Really??? And Mark had a missing child also and he didn't get a pass.

That's sorta my point. Just something I was thinking about.

Wow! Interesting. Sounds like he has already chosen which side to take.

That seems to be part of the problem here. Mom gets a pass on odd behaviors or inconsistencies, yet Dad is criticized for every word he speaks.
We can justify that, to an extent, with the fact that Dylan went missing while on Dad's watch, BUT I am not going to take every word she says as gospel, just for that fact alone. I accept that she is innocent, that she probably had nothing to do with it, but that does not automatically make Dad guilty, IMO. I think she was wrong to go public with those allegations when she did, but then I might have done the same thing in her shoes. IOW, just because she believes something does not make it true.

 

[jjenny]

Your comment made me think of something. Didn't ER say that the cell and the charger were in his backpack? How does she know this? Did she ask him? Did she put it there herself? Did she see him put it in there? Did MR tell her this? If Dylan is as attached to his phone as some believe, why didn't he have it in his pocket? We know from post-landing pics that his shorts have pockets. :waitasec:

No, she didn't say that cell phone and charger were specifically in his backpack.