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With all due respect, LE focus is on the living, not the dead. RZ's body could not be seen from the street or sidewalk.

JMO

LE focuses on the living and the dead. Obviously, when someone is found to have died violently the police do an investigation. They can't investigate if they don't focus on the dead person.

RZ's body was seen from the roof tops and air space so LE should have erected a tent to prevent that.
 
I've not seen anyone complaining about it except a few posters here. No reason to tent a body that can't be seen from the street or sidewalk. I don't believe a tent is a standard item carried in the trunk of a police car.

JMO

I have seen much criticism on many different sites and in the comment portion of news articles regarding LE not tenting Rebecca's remains. LE should have tented her remains out of respect for her and her family and to show their professionalism.

Her body could be seen from the roof tops and air space. The LE officer should have instructed the evidence unit to bring whatever equipment was necessary to protect the scene including tents. That is standard protocol. The person in charge of the situation was incompetent.
 
I have always been bothered by the amount of time it took the ME to arrive at the scene. However I did just read this article on the SJLE website.. very very informative... and relevent to California law.... on how a murder crime is dealt with by LE and the ME's office....

http://www.sjpd.org/BOI/homicide/glimpse.html

"Law enforcement officers and fire department personnel who respond to the scene of a murder in which the victim's body is found outdoors are discouraged from covering the body with any object, including a blanket or sheet. Although this sometimes results in criticism by the public, there is a sound reason for not doing so. The placement of a sheet or other object over the victim can destroy “trace evidence.” Later in court, such a placement will provide a defense attorney the opportunity to assert that the trace evidence in fact came from the sheet or blanket, not from the killer.

Police officers are aware of the anguish that is experienced by the family and friends of a murder victim whose body remains uncovered. Some agencies have developed “body shields,” which can be erected to mask the victim from public view. "

I found this very interesting.... the CSI and Homocide team tell the ME when they are allowed to process the body..

Depending on the circumstances, the investigators may request additional CSI personnel, or specialized equipment, to be sent to the scene. These specialists may be required to locate and collect biological evidence. If the crime scene is indoors or on private property, the detectives will consider case law and determine (often with the assistance of a Deputy DA) whether or not a search warrant will be needed to process the crime scene.

"Once the victim's remains can be removed from the crime scene without contaminating or destroying other evidence, the police request that the Medical Examiner's Office dispatch a Coroner's investigator."
 
I do believe it was intentionally left uncovered because the death was possibly a homicide. The ME was summoned. Covering it with a tarp would have possibly compromised evidence that might have been on the body.

The media who took photos also blurred the body.

JMO

Yes. And leaving a body exposed to the sun and the elements for 13 hours is an excellent way to preserve forensic evidence.

And how incredibly decent of the media to lightly blur the naked, dead image of RZ. Super classy, San Diego.
 
A suicide--by legal definition--is the fault of the deceased.

JMO

Ahh. So then LE has no responsibility to preserve the scene that MAY, at some FUTURE date, be ruled a suicide. Even if the scene was originally thought to be that of a "violent" crime?

Thanks for clearing that up. Let all those suicide bodies just rot in the open! After all, it's their own darn fault. Not our problem! Even if we don't know for sure or may be wrong.
 
With all due respect, LE focus is on the living, not the dead. RZ's body could not be seen from the street or sidewalk.

JMO

:waitasec: :what:

IF that was the case there would no need for investigators, DAs and defense attorneys.
 
As a first responder, I continue to be bothered with how her body was allowed to just lay there, uncovered. It is especially appalling because she was naked.

When responding a scene, whether accident, murder or suicide, we ALWAYS preserve the dignity of the deceased. WE shield them from exposure and we would never leave them out in the open for hours on end like that. We would DO something. Even if we had to go buy a brand new tarp or tent, we would freakin DO IT!!

I have held back on this subject but I am completely disgusted by how she was exposed and how the media broadcast it. Really, a new low for all involved. I don't care HOW she died, whether murder or suicide, she was STILL a human being who deserved better than that.

Even if we had to personally stand there holding a tarp over the deceased, so it did not touch them but only shielded them from view- WE WOULD DO IT. We HAVE done that before, many times.

She was not only dead, she was naked, for goodness sake! Really. SMH!!!!!
 
As a first responder, I continue to be bothered with how her body was allowed to just lay there, uncovered. It is especially appalling because she was naked.

When responding a scene, whether accident, murder or suicide, we ALWAYS preserve the dignity of the deceased. WE shield them from exposure and we would never leave them out in the open for hours on end like that. We would DO something. Even if we had to go buy a brand new tarp or tent, we would freakin DO IT!!

I have held back on this subject but I am completely disgusted by how she was exposed and how the media broadcast it. Really, a new low for all involved. I don't care HOW she died, whether murder or suicide, she was STILL a human being who deserved better than that.

Even if we had to personally stand there holding a tarp over the deceased, so it did not touch them but only shielded them from view- WE WOULD DO IT. We HAVE done that before, many times.

She was not only dead, she was naked, for goodness sake! Really. SMH!!!!!

Bless you SwampMama for telling it like it is. I think you are the only first responder comment that I read so far in this case.

What you said you and your team did in similar circumstances vouched for my belief that there is a standard of professionalism and ethics for persons whose profession it is to deal with these types of circumstances. Thank you for speaking up.

I am now reassured that there are ethical professions who not only know what to do but will go the extra mile to do it. God bless you and your team SwampMamma for showing your compassion for the victim and their families with your humane treatment of their remains.
 
As a first responder, I continue to be bothered with how her body was allowed to just lay there, uncovered. It is especially appalling because she was naked.

When responding a scene, whether accident, murder or suicide, we ALWAYS preserve the dignity of the deceased. WE shield them from exposure and we would never leave them out in the open for hours on end like that. We would DO something. Even if we had to go buy a brand new tarp or tent, we would freakin DO IT!!

I have held back on this subject but I am completely disgusted by how she was exposed and how the media broadcast it. Really, a new low for all involved. I don't care HOW she died, whether murder or suicide, she was STILL a human being who deserved better than that.

Even if we had to personally stand there holding a tarp over the deceased, so it did not touch them but only shielded them from view- WE WOULD DO IT. We HAVE done that before, many times.
She was not only dead, she was naked, for goodness sake! Really. SMH!!!!!

BBM. SwampMama, you have struck the nail on the head. Regardless of whatever the situation is - you represent what I would have to think is the professional response. Which tells me those involved that day in Rebecca's scene were reprehensibly unprofessional.
 
As a first responder, I continue to be bothered with how her body was allowed to just lay there, uncovered. It is especially appalling because she was naked.

When responding a scene, whether accident, murder or suicide, we ALWAYS preserve the dignity of the deceased. WE shield them from exposure and we would never leave them out in the open for hours on end like that. We would DO something. Even if we had to go buy a brand new tarp or tent, we would freakin DO IT!!

I have held back on this subject but I am completely disgusted by how she was exposed and how the media broadcast it. Really, a new low for all involved. I don't care HOW she died, whether murder or suicide, she was STILL a human being who deserved better than that.

Even if we had to personally stand there holding a tarp over the deceased, so it did not touch them but only shielded them from view- WE WOULD DO IT. We HAVE done that before, many times.

She was not only dead, she was naked, for goodness sake! Really. SMH!!!!!

You are a police officer? Because the body was already dead and in a private backyard, I doubt LE summoned paramedics or would have them just standing there holding a tarp for an indefinite period of time just because the dead body was nude. It isn't a practical utilization of taxpayer-funded resources to have paramedics remain there for such a purpose.

JMO
 
As a first responder, I continue to be bothered with how her body was allowed to just lay there, uncovered. It is especially appalling because she was naked.

When responding a scene, whether accident, murder or suicide, we ALWAYS preserve the dignity of the deceased. WE shield them from exposure and we would never leave them out in the open for hours on end like that. We would DO something. Even if we had to go buy a brand new tarp or tent, we would freakin DO IT!!

I have held back on this subject but I am completely disgusted by how she was exposed and how the media broadcast it. Really, a new low for all involved. I don't care HOW she died, whether murder or suicide, she was STILL a human being who deserved better than that.

Even if we had to personally stand there holding a tarp over the deceased, so it did not touch them but only shielded them from view- WE WOULD DO IT. We HAVE done that before, many times.

She was not only dead, she was naked, for goodness sake! Really. SMH!!!!!

Thank you for your post! Your post reminded me of the sheets that security held up when the Bain sisters arrived at the hospital. Most people's first response to shield a victim is an inherent human action. It is beyond procedure and duty, a moral obligation. Thanks for explaining a typical response even though as your post indicated most individuals in that situation go above and beyond the call of duty.
 
:waitasec: :what:

IF that was the case there would no need for investigators, DAs and defense attorneys.

unless you can supply a link otherwise, I'll continue to presume there was no defense attorney in the backyard and the investigators and DA were focused on their job duties rather than a nude, dead body in the backyard.

JMO
 
Defense attorney Paul Pfingst -

Wednesday evening, former District Attorney and current defense attorney Paul Pfingst showed up at the crime scene. Pfingst confirmed to News 8 that he had been hired to represent someone connected with this case, although he would not specify who his client is.

"I'm not Jonah's lawyer. I've never spoke with him. As far as I know he's not a suspect of any type," Pfingst said in a statement.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/questions-linger-about-womans-death-at-coronado-mansion

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Former San Diego County District Attorney Paul Pfingst visited the Coronado home Wednesday night. He said that the family had been cooperating fully with investigators and that he was asked to help them in that effort.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011...-spreckels-mansion-identified/?page=2#article

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On the day Rebecca's body was found, attorney Paul Pfingst, a former two-term district attorney in San Diego and now a local criminal defense attorney, showed up at the crime scene and claimed to represent an unknown member of the Shacknai family. When asked about Pfingst's role in the case, San Diego officials said they had not had contact with him. Pfingst did not return a message requesting comment.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_...on-on-death-of-his-girlfriend/?tag=bnetdomain
 
I will say that I've always been somewhat surprised at the Coronado public response to the situation with Rebecca's body left exposed for 13 hours.

If I or my neighbors lived there, we would be raising large and ongoing questions in city council meetings, grass roots efforts, etc. about that police procedure. After all, what confidence do any temporary or permanent residents of Coronado have that if they or their loved ones are killed in a gruesome manner that they will not be exposed to TV cameras and the voyeuristic public for 13 hours?

What the police did is most certainly NOT proper, in any city or state in the nation. Good grief-- motor vehicle accident victims are shielded. Body PARTS are shielded. She wasn't in a bedroom-- she was laying in a courtyard plainly visible (obviously! from all of the photos).

I'm disgusted that she was treated this way, and I think it shows something odd was going on right from the beginning. There is zero excuse or explanation for it. And it is one of the things that initially caused so many people to do an open-mouthed gasp, and immediately conclude something wasn't right. That's why so many people think that this behavior by the police screams "See? She got what she deserved."
 
You are a police officer? Because the body was already dead and in a private backyard, I doubt LE summoned paramedics or would have them just standing there holding a tarp for an indefinite period of time just because the dead body was nude. It isn't a practical utilization of taxpayer-funded resources to have paramedics remain there for such a purpose.

JMO

I am not a police officer. I am a member of our fire department and a certified first responder and have worked in that capacity with wrecks, accidents, murders, suicides etc. Our police are very happy to work with us , as is the coroner. We are an integral part of many scenes along with them. We don;t leave until they do and the scene is wrapped and everyone is gone.

I work in a more rural area and we are all fire dept, EMTs, first responders, etc who get no pay for what we do. We don't care if we have to spend hours on a scene where the victim was already dead when we arrived. We stay to assist LE, family, the coroner, and to assist the "paid officers and ambulance crew".

We are there to help however we can. There are few things we would turn our nose up at and say "that isn't my job". We just do it because that is what we would want done if it happened to us or our loved ones.

You need our boat to look for a drowning victim? We are there, spending our vacation days and gas money looking. Need someone to help clean up the scene so the family doesn't have to see their loved ones blood and brains on the scene after the body is gone, we can do that too and we have!! Scooped up brains and washed away blood, yep. Need us to stand in a perimeter holding tarps to shield the victim until the body can be removed. Yep, done that too.

I don't want to debate anyone on this or get anyone riled up. I'm just stated what WE do. I asked Mr Swamp (who has had 30 years exp with he fire dept and has been asst chief as well and showed him Rebecca's pic in the yard and he said "She should have been shielded or covered. It can be done".

But he is a man who doesn't know the meaning of the word "can't". He WILL get it done, even if he has to do it himself at his own cost or had to stand there himself doing it. But I guess that is just something that is so deeply ingrained in him. It can't taught or bought.

Again, I am not looking to fuss with anyone. I guess they did (in RZ's case) what they thought was the right thing to do according to their job description and position. I just see it way differently and thank goodness those I work with see it the same way too.
 
I am not a police officer. I am a member of our fire department and a certified first responder and have worked in that capacity with wrecks, accidents, murders, suicides etc. Our police are very happy to work with us , as is the coroner. We are an integral part of many scenes along with them. We don;t leave until they do and the scene is wrapped and everyone is gone.
I work in a more rural area and we are all fire dept, EMTs, first responders, etc who get no pay for what we do. We don't care if we have to spend hours on a scene where the victim was already dead when we arrived. We stay to assist LE, family, the coroner, and to assist the "paid officers and ambulance crew".

We are there to help however we can. There are few things we would turn our nose up at and say "that isn't my job". We just do it because that is what we would want done if it happened to us or our loved ones.

You need our boat to look for a drowning victim? We are there, spending our vacation days and gas money looking. Need someone to help clean up the scene so the family doesn't have to see their loved ones blood and brains on the scene after the body is gone, we can do that too and we have!! Scooped up brains and washed away blood, yep. Need us to stand in a perimeter holding tarps to shield the victim until the body can be removed. Yep, done that too.

I don't want to debate anyone on this or get anyone riled up. I'm just stated what WE do. I asked Mr Swamp (who has had 30 years exp with he fire dept and has been asst chief as well and showed him Rebecca's pic in the yard and he said "She should have been shielded or covered. It can be done".

But he is a man who doesn't know the meaning of the word "can't". He WILL get it done, even if he has to do it himself at his own cost or had to stand there himself doing it. But I guess that is just something that is so deeply ingrained in him. It can't taught or bought.

Again, I am not looking to fuss with anyone. I guess they did (in RZ's case) what they thought was the right thing to do according to their job description and position. I just see it way differently and thank goodness those I work with see it the same way too.

BBM. That's a huge difference than this case. RZ's death was in a metro area and I think all were paid professionals. In my own metro area, EMTs don't remain at death scenes.
 
In my metro area, all Firefighters are paid professionals. Also, each and everyone of them are EMTs.

They would absolutely stay and help to secure the scene of a nude dead body in a backyard.
 
With all due respect, LE focus is on the living, not the dead. RZ's body could not be seen from the street or sidewalk.

JMO

IMO,

LE most certainly focuses on the dead, last time I checked they investigate and prosecute murders all the time.

RZ's body could and was seen. Some people are born with an inherent sense of right and wrong. Some people are lucky enough to have parents that teach them to live by a moral code that helps them emphasize with others. There are people that always do the right thing and there are people that for whatever reason look the other way, need to be told to do the right thing, or only do the right thing if they will be compensated for it. There are people that spend their whole lives making excuses and refuse to take responsibility for their actions or inaction. It doesn't matter if they had a tent on hand, or someone didn't give the order to cover her, or whatever. What matters is that a group of people worked that scene knowing her body was exposed and did nothing. Sometimes there just aren't any good excuses, this is one of those times.
 
In my metro area, all Firefighters are paid professionals. Also, each and everyone of them are EMTs.

They would absolutely stay and help to secure the scene of a nude dead body in a backyard.

Coronado does things differently. I don't know of any metro fire department that would keep any fire personnel at a scene if there was no need for them. BBM

http://www.coronado.ca.us/department/division.php?fDD=8-59

Paramedics are medical pros with Advanced Life Support (ALS) training.....There are currently 12 paramedics in the Fire Department. They operate out of the main fire station on Sixth Street and the fire station in the Cays.
 
Originally Posted by MyBelle
With all due respect, LE focus is on the living, not the dead. RZ's body could not be seen from the street or sidewalk.

JMO

The neighbor boy, I believe who knew GS, said in an article that they watched the scene from a rooftop. I felt sick thinking the neighborhood teenage boys are looking at a naked dead woman. Besides what about helicopters taking picture and blasting them all over the world.
 
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