DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #10

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Search of Jordan Wallace's car did not turn up money wrappers, red lined bag, manilla envelope or banking documents police were looking for.
 
Post: All LE has to do is serve your ISP with a warrant and they can see all your text messages.






Response: The charging docus. state that investigators had his cell and were looking through incoming and outgoing messages while interviewing him. This fact implies to me that they asked for his account and then showed him messages that contradicted his story. He would then correct himself and about two details admitted he had lied. Now we do not know the explanation he gave to LE for lying.

We also do not know if his changing statements are the truth.
 
I think I just fell off the fence I was leaning on.
 
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Search Warrant return says police found Jordan Wallace's Green BMW one block from the Savopoulos's home. Seized numerous items from it

Do we know when this was dated? I believe he said he was there the day of the crime, and was questioned by LE. Right? Sounds to me like he was taken to Station to be questioned from the crime scene and they issued the SW then and found his car a block from the crime scene, that day.

If that is all true...is it safe to assume they didn't find any of that stuff, since he has not been named as anything but a witness?

And if this is a new SW, and just recently served, why would his car be found a block from the crime scene...and would they really expect any of those things to be found at this point?

If he is involved, he isn't stupid enough to keep that stuff. But I hope they are able to find something...so they can lock him up and throw away the key!! And if he is involved, and is stupid enough to keep that stuff...then lock him up and throw away the key and put a Dunce cap on him!
 
I keep wondering about something. LE stated that DW couldn't have acted alone and he was found with the money with a bunch of others. But I know there are some people who firmly believe he acted alone. (For instance, he couldn't have run to the garage for duct tape because that would mean someone else was minding the victims.)

I am genuinely curious, why is it that the idea of an accomplice seems unlikely or implausible? Assuming LE has a reason to believe that DW could have enlisted his brother or another, are their reasons are there to reject LE's belief that the crime tookire than one person's involvement? Or is it strictly because it opens the door a crack to the possibility that that person could be an insider? And if you reject that theory, you have to reject the whole idea of an accomplice?

It's not unlikely or implausible in my opinion. But, speaking for myself, I don't want to believe DDW wasn't acting alone.

Speaking for myself, it's bad enough to know a single person could torture four people to death, but to think another person there didn't stop it or control it? Infinitely worse than a single sadistic . I know one person can subdue and handle more than one person, especially if it happens one or two at a time. Using one victim to leverage another.

There could have been more than one perpetrator, for sure. I just don't want to think it, I guess. It's hard to think about (example) two people going to run in and rob, then it turns out your partner is into torturing human beings for hours and you let it continue and either watch or listen to it. Nobody does that to four people if he doesn't enjoy doing it.

I do believe it was not planned to have to spend the night waiting for cash. I think DDW thought there would be cash and valuables and he could be in and out, maybe subduing VF. Maybe he didn't expect PS or AS to be there? I don't know.

I just don't think he planned to be there for any length of time. The cash/valuables he found wasn't as much as he'd hoped, so plans changed and he thought to use SS. Time passed, things changed, SS told him he could get more cash (the $40k) plus, he discovered he liked torturing people.

If he wasn't caught after this, I believe he would have done it again because he enjoyed it.
 
Lots of people keep it on during the day! Especially if we're not frequently in and out. Example: I work most of the day in my office at the back of the house and wouldn't hear someone breaking down the front door, let alone climbing through a window :/ I have office machines, TV or radio on alwayys and I'd ESPECIALLY hate to be caught unawares while sitting on the pot. Some bathrooms have fans (lol) that turn on when you turn on the light and I would never hear anything when I'm in there.

Many crimes are crimes of opportunity and if the house looks like no one's home, they'll take a chance - smash, grab and go. It's always on so I have to turn it off to open the door and get deliveries, but I don't mind that a bit. Nothing's foolproof when criminals want to break in, but I feel safer in my mind at least.

I'd be absolutely paranoid if I lived/worked in a house of 10,000 sf! That's incredibly huge and especially with old homes built so solidly, it could be doubtful you'd hear what's going on in another part of the house depending on where you are vs a break-in.

I do understand people feeling a little more secure when other people are in the house, though, and maybe not arming the system, but not me. It happens once, you don't take it for granted again.

In terms of this case, we do not yet know if the security system was armed and then under duress AS forced to disarm it or if as one poster reported based on a news story the kick was delivered to an alarm sensor before entering. It seems SS and family were security-minded in that they had a security system, a large safe, and SS being a trained martial arts expert would likely be vigilant and feel prepared--my partner took lots of Tai Kwando and in discussing his training with me said the coach would go through various scenarios having to do with staying focused, alert, and prepared even walking down the street, what to do in the event of being followed to AVOID having to get in a scuffle etc.
But when "nothing like this has ever happened here before" prevails as a rule, we do tend to feel safer than we would in a neighborhood where we knew there was burglary, car theft, garages broken in to.
My mother refers to my paranoia about these matters as "big city paranoia." She lives in an extremely quiet, almost dead cul-de sac in the suburbs and comes and goes leaving the doors unlocked. I am always remonstrating with her and citing cases, but during the day she has a perception of safety and given forty years in her house with only one or two incidents of non-violent crimes in her neighborhood, she has a mind-set and finds it inconvenient to lock and unlock doors as she ends up locked out and having to get the extra set. She has a dog with a loud bark and I think this gives her an illusion of safety too.
Though the dog is definitely a watch-dog type (German Shepherd mix) we do not know how she would actually react to a break in or how some one targeting the house would react to the dog. I try to tell her this, that the dog could be hurt or shaken up.
Now my mother is not reckless nor are her neighbors in other parts of her town who last year were surprised to be burgled during the day while leaving doors unlocked.
It is just an adjustment many people see as unneeded fuss and history tells them they don't have to go to "extremes" that will demand rigorous consistency and possibly inconvenience to themselves and others.
We do not know if the SS household could have prevented this grave tragedy. When one is targeted and the criminals have impulsive and go for broke attitudes, they might find a way to get to one in daylight while one is getting into a car or walking the dog.
I would definitely feel on guard in a large, multiple storied lay-out with hedges to protect a potential psycho or thief from being viewed looking in on my houses through so many windows, but that's me. I lock the doors and windows if I take a shower!
AS could have been expecting her husband to come home possibly, the housekeeper to be leaving, and that her house would not make a good target due to levels of security in the whole area, an official residence across the street, and again, a "two-edged sword", those windows. JMO
Because I was held up at gunpoint on a terribly busy block in the middle of the day with crowded businesses and passerby a few feet away from me (in a small consignment shop where many women shoppers came in and out), I tend to feel "it" can come out of the blue when and where least expected.
On the other hand when I worked on a campus known for crime late into the night as my whole building would be shut down and I had to make my way to the notorious tiered parking lot past hedges with very few leaving at the same time, I was too embarrassed to call a guard to escort me, despite signs all around telling us to use that service. Many, many times in many, many situations I have taken chances and relied on the odds to protect me and a scream or keys in my hand.
The thing is we are really quite vulnerable in a house once a person gets in and no matter how close our neighbors, dogs, alarms, a gun, the curb with people and cars going by--we can just be ambushed in seconds and forced into total compliance which bypasses all of these "safe-guards."
Sorry to be so grim.
I do believe this incident, whatever the precautions against it or lack of same, will change the way people in similar life-styles conduct their day to day security.
Still, I think this was a mad, reckless, evil crime perpetrated by an unbalanced person/s who thought themselves impervious to the law and who wanted something badly enough at that moment that they would just "go for it" no matter the consequences. JMO JMO
 
Paul Wagner ‏@Fox5Wagner 7m7 minutes ago

Search of Jordan Wallace's car did not turn up money wrappers, red lined bag, manilla envelope or banking documents police were looking for.

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The house is huge but it is the smallest, or one of the smallest, in the neighborhood. I can't emphasize enough how wealthy that neighborhood is.

I understand that.

All the more reason for me to use the security system. :)
 
Paul Wagner ‏@Fox5Wagner 7m7 minutes ago

Search of Jordan Wallace's car did not turn up money wrappers, red lined bag, manilla envelope or banking documents police were looking for.

https://twitter.com/Fox5Wagner

Of course they wouldn't find anything tied to the money in it. Sounds like they believe he swapped his car for Amy's Porsche.

JMO
 
We also do not know if his changing statements are the truth.

Well yes. Of course we can not assume that any version W-1 related to LE, except for details they could independently verify (with the cell, for instance), are true. Unless there's video in the garage or a witness, we can not know if JW put cash in any car in any sort of bag. To be fair, although we have no indication that the other employee at the bank was lying, we do not know that the details LE corroborated with other parties will in the end hold up.
In speculating we must bear this in mind. We do not know the truth of very much and LE is not letting us know, probably, all that it knows.
I hope the cells are found because one thing we can not know when calls are mentioned in the charging documents is if the texts were sent by SS or AS or if by a criminal using the personal cells. And we can not know if the messages themselves have truth in them--P's concussion, for instance--as even if made by AS or SS each time, they were made on behalf of furthering and covering up the crime in progress.
We also must entertain the possibility that incoming texts or VMs TO SS or AS phones were made to dissemble or to get a coded msg. to a perpetrator--and here I am sure that LE is not just focused on JW.
 
Paul Wagner ‏@Fox5Wagner [video=twitter;606510602455011328]https://twitter.com/Fox5Wagner/status/606510602455011328[/video]
Search Warrant return says police found Jordan Wallace's Green BMW one block from the Savopoulos's home. Seized numerous items from it

Finding JW's green BMW one block from the crime scene pretty much tells me that he is the one who stole the Porsche.

JMO
 
Of course they wouldn't find anything tied to the money in it. Sounds like they believe he swapped his car for Amy's Porsche.

JMO

How did you come up with he swapped his car for Amy's Porsche?
 
Finding JW's green BMW one block from the crime scene pretty much tells me that he is the one who stole the Porsche.

JMO

Why do you say that?
Its not that clear to me quite yet
 
And since I believe - until told otherwise - this was served the day of the crime. No evidence.
Bruce Leshan said yes, they took his car in on May 14th when he returned to the Savopoulos' house.
 
Finding JW's green BMW one block from the crime scene pretty much tells me that he is the one who stole the Porsche.

JMO

No. He was working, and when he found out about the fire he went back to the house.

IMO, he spoke to LE that afternoon while at the scene, they took him in for interrogation. So that is how they know that JW was not involved with the Porsche, because he was with them.
 
Well yes. Of course we can not assume that any version W-1 related to LE, except for details they could independently verify (with the cell, for instance), are true. Unless there's video in the garage or a witness, we can not know if JW put cash in any car in any sort of bag. To be fair, although we have no indication that the other employee at the bank was lying, we do not know that the details LE corroborated with other parties will in the end hold up.
In speculating we must bear this in mind. We do not know the truth of very much and LE is not letting us know, probably, all that it knows.
I hope the cells are found because one thing we can not know when calls are mentioned in the charging documents is if the texts were sent by SS or AS or if by a criminal using the personal cells. And we can not know if the messages themselves have truth in them--P's concussion, for instance--as even if made by AS or SS each time, they were made on behalf of furthering and covering up the crime in progress.
We also must entertain the possibility that incoming texts or VMs TO SS or AS phones were made to dissemble or to get a coded msg. to a perpetrator--and here I am sure that LE is not just focused on JW.

BBM. I think the details used to obtain probable cause are points that have been verified and supported with convincing evidence. All along I've held on to the belief that the cells were being used by the perps to communicate with one another. I totally agree with you that LE is not just focused on JW.

JMO
 
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