FL - Mass Shooting at Pulse nightclub, Orlando, 12 June 2016 #2

[Rhino-Esq]

So they met online, were together 4 months. He physically beat her. Family had to rescue her. Hasn't had contact in 7 years. (CNN)

 

[Strangeworld]

So now ex-wife and fiance are saying it's not religious extremism!

I believe he should probably step back and stop talking. For a start the ex-wife hasn't had contact with him for 7/8 years, and how would he (or for that matter his ex-wife) know where he was at in his life in recent years? Please know I don't mean to be harsh - she can provide insight into who he was years ago, but more than likely he has changed. And what they are saying is distracting from what has actually unfolded. Rose-coloured glasses will not change that for the families and victims.

After hearing about his family environment, the fact that he had been investigated a few years ago, and that he did pronounce support for ISIS, this is not a mental health issue. His psychological vulnerabilities may have contributed to him seeking out extremist affiliation, but he did this in the name of ISIS.

 

[CARIIS]

Please! Gonna be hard to convince Everyone of that!!

IMOO.

But ya know what really (and some of you know , as a therapist , I do think mental illiness and its lack of treatment is a problem) made me go over to this corner was when I first heard about the domestic violence angle.


He was so out of control her family members , apparently had to come rescue her , my visualization was Black Hawk down rescue mission - that is a pretty intense man who is violating his wife and has to be indicative of some serious impulse control issues just mo

 

[Gigi-G]

These lone wolf nut jobs who do this in the name of Isis are just as dangerous and scary, if not more, than a "real member of Isis." When they say Isis is here in the US, it doesn't have to mean someone from Syria came over here. Jmo


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Indeed. They can be 'homegrown' you could be living next door to one. We've housed them.Educated them. Housed them. Paid them.
Thing is. We'll never know 'who,what,where' .
Sad times we live in. Prayers to all involved. [emoji120]

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[Bravo]

I believe he should probably step back and stop talking. For a start the ex-wife hasn't had contact with him for 7/8 years, and how would he (or for the matter his ex-wife) know where he was at in his life in recent years? Please know I don't mean to be harsh - she can provide insight into who he was years ago, but more than likely he has changed. And what they are saying is distracting from what has actually unfolded. Rose-coloured glasses will not change that for the families and victims.

After hearing about his family environment, the fact that he had been investigated a few years ago, and that he did pronounce support for ISIS, this is not a mental health issue. His psychological vulnerabilities may have contributed to him seeking out extremist affiliation, but he did this in the name of ISIS.

Excellent post!!!!

 

[Jen Darme]

Please! Gonna be hard to convince Everyone of that!!

IMOO.

What she's saying, that he was emotionally unstable, seriously disturbed, and that he expressed hate of all things, sounds like fertile ground for extremism to take root.

 

[arkansasmimi]

https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/742136266242789376?ref_src=twsrc^tfw


Orlando gunman tied to radical imam released from prison last year, say law enforcement sources
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/1...on-last-year-say-law-enforcement-sources.html

 

[Magdalyn]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/1...on-last-year-say-law-enforcement-sources.html

The gunman who murdered at least 50 people in a Florida nightclub early Sunday morning was a follower of a controversial gang leader-turned-bank robber who was released from prison last year despite warnings from prosecutors that he would recruit people to carry out violent acts, sources told FoxNews.com.

Omar Mateen, whose bloody siege inside a packed Orlando gay nightclub ended when SWAT teams stormed the building and killed him, was a radical Muslim who followed Marcus Dwayne Robertson, a law enforcement source said.



Marcus Dwayne Robertson, a former U.S. Marine known to his supporters at his Orlando-based Fundamental Islamic Knowledge Seminary as “Abu Taubah.”

“It is no coincidence that this happened in Orlando,” said a law enforcement source familiar with Robertson’s history of recruiting terrorists and inciting violence. “Mateen was enrolled in [Robertson’s online] Fundamental Islamic Knowledge Seminary.”
Robertson and several associates were rounded up for questioning early Sunday, according to law enforcement sources, a development his attorney refused to confirm or deny.

While in the John E. Polk Correctional Facility in Seminole County, Robertson was considered so dangerous, he was kept in shackles and assigned his own guards. Whenever he was transported to court, a seven-car caravan of armed federal marshals escorted him. He was initially moved into solitary confinement after prison authorities believed he was radicalizing up to 36 of his fellow prisoners.

In seeking enhanced terrorism charges during sentencing for the two crimes, prosecutors said Robertson has been involved with terrorism activities, “…focused on training others to commit violent acts as opposed to committing them himself” … “overseas instead of inside the United States.”

Yet efforts by federal prosecutors to tack on another 10 years to his sentence, based on enhanced terrorism charges under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, were not persuasive enough for U.S. District Judge Gregory Presnell, who freed Robertson in June 2015 with time served.

 

[CARIIS]

You know what is amazing about this place. Its the notion that all of us truly need is the what when where how to try to come up with the why....................................

 

[DexterMorgan]

These lone wolf nut jobs who do this in the name of Isis are just as dangerous and scary, if not more, than a "real member of Isis." When they say Isis is here in the US, it doesn't have to mean someone from Syria came over here. Jmo


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Agree. The lone wolves are something else.

But would we consider Dylan Roof the church shooter a Klansmen?

Or was he just a nut job that had friends of other races while just hating a particular group more. Or better yet just having a bad day while hating everyone but chosed a specific setting to act upon?

I truly think that some lone people are not truly part of a group. But they will refer to a specific group when trying to justify why they killed whomever. Jmo.

 

[bestill]

https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/742136266242789376?ref_src=twsrc^tfw


Orlando gunman tied to radical imam released from prison last year, say law enforcement sources
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/1...on-last-year-say-law-enforcement-sources.html

Wow, please let the truth reveal itself!

 

[makista]

Very strange , there was some comfort earlier today, when the new death toll was annonced, the collective gasp from the media was comforting to me

There should be another one in there somewhere. You also said that many go to the bars and then return home to a spouse and kid. I just was implying, that the reason it is taking so long to identify the victims is a few fake names are in the picture, here. :wink ( and yes, I'll post the link)

http://www.wftv.com/news/local/names-of-7-victims-released-in-orlando-nightclub-mass-shooting-/337929937

Hall said many people are having trouble locating victims because they are being listed under fake names.

 

[bluesneakers]

Agree. The lone wolves are something else.

But would we consider Dylan Roof the church shooter a Klansmen?

Or was he just a nut job that had friends of other races while just hating a particular group more.

Excellent comparison. Thanks.

When a terrorist attack is also a hate crime.

 

[bluesneakers]

You know what is amazing about this place. Its the notion that all of us truly need is the what when where how to try to come up with the why....................................

What do you mean?

 

[jjenny]

https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/742136266242789376?ref_src=twsrc^tfw


Orlando gunman tied to radical imam released from prison last year, say law enforcement sources
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/1...on-last-year-say-law-enforcement-sources.html

We can't even keep a guy like this locked up.

 

[RANCH]

So now ex-wife and fiance are saying it's not religious extremism!

I'm not buying that. I thought they divorced seven years ago.

What do they know about his currant views? JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I absolutely do not believe this mass terrorist was a closeted gay nor had he ever had sex with a gay man either. This was about twisted hate by a man who was an Islamic extremist. He felt they were an abomination. His radical religious beliefs against all infidels and all homosexuals is the sole reason for this happening today. This is what he was taught to believe. Imo, it is unwise to think he did this because he was gay himself because we see how all ISIS terrorists everywhere treats homosexuals the same and it isn't because they are gay themselves. It may make some feel better if they think he targeted this group of people because he was gay himself but I don't think there is any evidence of that nor will there be.

We must face the brutal truth in order to deal with it. ISIS and their sympathizers hate gays with all of their being. That has been well known since we have known about these fanatical extremists. The Quran teaches them that homosexuals are to be murdered, and they believe what is in their bible (Quran) just like a Christian bible teaches the opposite of thou shall not kill. Not only do they thoroughly detest homosexuals their bible tells them they will be rewarded by their God even more during the month of Ramadan if they murder at anytime during this period.

I have long worried about an attack like this that happened today on the gay community because I have known very well how they view all gays.

These are twisted evil people who belong to nothing but a cult who uses their religion as a reason to rape. torture, and murder others. They are so fanatical in their beliefs they truly believe they will be rewarded for all of the violence they do. It is mindboggling to me why anyone on this earth would want to follow a God of hate and violence but thousands have joined ISIS and every one of them have to be sociopaths. Even without any religious faith at all a human being knows it is morally wrong to murder and rape people but to do it over and over again in the name of their religion is mind blowing.

They truly are the devil personified.

I really hope this time that the Muslim communities all across our country comes out in droves to denounce these horrible acts of violence. Before we may see one or two that will come out against it but I wish we would hear from many Muslims rather than such a small number. The silent majority of Muslims bothers me greatly at times.

 

[jjenny]

I'm not buying that. I thought they divorced seven years ago.

What do they know about his currant views? JMO

Obviously nothing. Since they didn't keep in touch.

 

[arkansasmimi]

[video=twitter;742139445701316610]https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/742139445701316610[/video]

 

[RANCH]

Well if a person is truthful when filling out the forms given to them before giving blood, it is one of the questions. There are multiple reason why people can't give blood. The FDA waived the lifetime ban on gay men being able to give blood in 2015. There are restrictions in place that they have to not be sexually active for 12 months prior to giving blood.

http://vitals.lifehacker.com/gay-men-can-now-donate-blood-1749963418

I understand that they ask those questions. But how do they know if the donor is telling the truth?

They obviously test the blood now before it's used so why do they even ask?