France - Maëlys De Araujo, 9, found deceased, Pont-de-Beauvoisin, 27 Aug 2017 #2

[ZaZara]

@ZaZara - I will look at the list & add to the people I have with your notes. And at the bottom of this list I will put the other new names that you added.

Ack - I must have deleted my list on my computer - don't know "why" I would have done that.

Rejoice, Niner. You have liberated yourself from a task!

The names on this Marianne list ... we don't even know if Nordahl Lelandais is a POI.
Thomas Rauschkolb, maybe. The two men who went missing from Fort de Tamié, perhaps.
The others? Not so much IMO. But the families may think differently, especially now that NL allegedly attacks the mentally vulnerable in anger. He claims to have hit and killed Maëlys in anger. He claims to have gotten into a fight with Arthur Noyer. Now there is this letter, accusing him of chasing a mentally vulnerable man to his death. In anger too. When the man was found, a crime wasn't even suspected.

There are seven mentally vulnerable persons on the Marianne list. Most remain missing. One was found on a wasteland in La Ravoire, a few hundred metres from the cultural centre in Saint-Baldoph where Nordahl Lelandais admits to having killed Corporal Arthur Noyer. During the trial, it never became clear why NL went there. Arthur Noyer had no ties to Saint-Baldoph.
If I were family of Nordine Seghiri, I would wonder.

 

[Niner]

I guess I should rejoice! LOL! One less task of keeping straight.

It's "somewhere" on here - so won't worry about it.

As I was reading your post on the mentally ill people being missing - I think of Nordahl being at that mental hospital. And yes, he did have anger issues....

 

[ZaZara]

https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/fai...e-saint-quentin-fallavier-en-isere-1654196228

The almost five years of detention of Nordahl Lelandais in Saint-Quentin-Fallavier in Isère were turbulent. Mobile phones received from outside, sexual relations in the visiting room ... The murderer of Maëlys and Corporal Arthur Noyer has kept the attention of the media upon him. But the prison staff should find some tranquility since this particular prisoner has recently left the penitentiary centre of North Isère.

Nordahl Lelandais has been transferred on Thursday 2 June to the national assessment centre of Aix-Luynes in the Bouches-du-Rhône. This information was confirmed by Alain Chevallier, the general secretary of the UFAP union at the Saint-Quentin-Fallavier prison.

He should spend between four and six weeks in this centre before being directed to his next place of detention. A classic procedure for a prisoner like him, sentenced to life imprisonment for the murder of Maëlys in Pont-de-Beauvoisin in August 2017.

This departure is a "relief" for the staff of the prison of Saint-Quentin-Fallavier according to Alain Chevallier. Nordahl Lelandais, one of France's most high-profile inmates, was generating fears "about what could happen to him, about his behaviour", explains the union representative. "We want to have some peace and quiet. In his opinion, this transfer is necessary "because a lot of attention is mobilised around him. Many staff members have had enough. We need to find some tranquillity in the penitentiary centre."

A large part of the staff hopes that Maëlys' murderer will not return to Saint-Quentin-Fallavier at the end of his stay at the national assessment centre in Bouches-du-Rhône, according to Alain Chevallier. His detention "also highlights the flaws of the institution" he said, thinking among other things of the mobile phones recovered by Nordahl Lelandais.


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[ZaZara]

L'insoluble énigme de la disparition d'Adrien Fiorello


The unsolvable mystery of Adrien Fiorello's disappearance

Suicide, bad encounter, link with Nordahl Lelandais... The investigation into the disappearance of Adrien Fiorello, a law student who disappeared in October 2010 in the Loire region of France, has explored a number of possible leads. The mother of the young man, who fought hard to find her son, has recently passed away.

She created the Facebook page on 11 October 2010, five days after her son Adrien disappeared. For twelve years, Marie-France Fiorello posted relentlessly, every day, calls for witnesses, photos, press articles, messages of hope or anger, hoping that one of these small pebbles would eventually lead her to the truth: where did Adrien Fiorello, who disappeared on 6 October 2010, go? But on 17 May 2022, another message appeared on the page: Marie-France's funeral notice. The cancer she had been fighting for several years had finally taken her. She left her life without knowing.

Three weeks earlier, she was still going to meetings of the ARPD, the association for the search for missing persons, which had helped her in her fight alongside other families, in solidarity, also struck by a mysterious tragedy. She never refused a request from a journalist, whom she received in her flat in Firminy, with her husband, Salvatore. She was a courageous mother whose face sometimes betrayed physical fatigue, but who never gave up. She told everyone: "How many times have I slowed down in the car, thinking I could see him? She oscillated between a terrible conviction and a meagre hope: was he still alive or had he been dead for more than ten years?

On 6 October 2010, 22-year-old Adrien left his parents' home, as he did every morning, to go to university in Saint-Etienne, where he had recently started his fifth year of law studies. He makes the journey by bus and then by tram. Before closing the door, he asks his mother: "Don't forget to buy my printer cartridge".

In the evening, Adrien has not returned. Worried, Marie-France gets into her car and drives around the university. Her son is not there. No one has seen him all day.

The police soon discovered that his phone had been ringing at about 10 a.m. in Saint-Etienne, Place du Peuple, further away than the university where he had been attending classes, as if he had passed by without stopping. Then at about 5pm in Chambéry, in the area of the station. What was he doing in the town in Savoie, three hours by train from Saint-Etienne, where he was apparently completely unfamiliar? Did he have a secret meeting? Did he get into a carriage on a whim? Or was his phone stolen by an unknown person? In any case, the video surveillance did not record any aggression. Moreover, Adrien does not appear on any image. He simply vanished.

"Adrien was a bit of a bohemian, a bit of an ecologist," his mother described to the author of this article in 2017. But he had no friends, he stayed at home all the time. Since secondary school, he had gradually become a bit withdrawn. He spent hours in his room in front of his computer. At the university, the police officers who tried to find out more about him came up empty. "He was taking notes in class, that's all," his fellow students dewcribe.

Marie-France Fiorello ends up wondering if her son could have taken his own life. "He wanted to go to a school in Agen, but two months earlier he had learned that he had been rejected. Had he been so disappointed that he committed suicide? If so, I didn't see any signs of it. But he never had mood swings, so it was hard to know what he was feeling."

With the benefit of hindsight and countless nights spent replaying twenty years of a short life for a clue, any detail suddenly becomes intriguing. His father remembers one scene in particular. One day, when he was "16 or 18", while the television was broadcasting a programme on a criminal case, Adrien asked him: "Can you really disappear and never be found? And his father replied: "Of course! For example, if you go down a well that nobody uses anymore, nobody will ever find you. And why are you asking me that?

Conducted under the authority of an examining magistrate, the investigations were then entrusted to the Judicial Police of Saint-Etienne. But after twelve months, their enquiry was not successful. And Adrien's parents took matters into their own hands.

In the course of their media appearances, they meet a private detective who in turn takes on the mystery in 2012. This former gendarme searches the young man's computer to find out more about his personality. Following the example of the PJ, he discovered that Adrien had a passion for the Barcelona football club by administering a forum. He had also tried to locate two cities: Montreux, in Switzerland...and Chambéry. A strange coincidence.

Other details soon led the sleuth to explore a scenario: Adrien had consulted an article on the statue of Queen singer Freddy Mercury in Montreux, Switzerland and an article on homophobia. It may seem light-hearted, but all the leads remain valid, and the detective wonders if the young man was hiding a secret life and an attraction to other boys from his parents. To support his intuition, he travels to Switzerland and Chambéry with a photo of the missing man in his hand. Soon, a testimony falls into his lap: the couple who run a gay club in the Chambéry area believe they saw the young man in the clientele, several months after his disappearance. This is hardly credible for Adrien's parents and their lawyer. Adrien left with 200 euros in his pocket: it's hard to imagine that he could have made a new life in the same region.

The fact remains that the detective is busy spreading a message every time he travels: "Everywhere I went, I repeated that he would always be welcome at home, that he should at least keep in touch, especially as his mother was already ill," he recalls to Marianne.

But these messages in a bottle will remain in the depths of the sea. It was not until December 2017 that the investigation took another direction. The case of Nordahl Lelandais is then spread on the front page of all newspapers: the former soldier is suspected of the murder of little Maelys, kidnapped at a wedding in Isere four months earlier but also of a young missing soldier, Arthur Noyer who was hitchhiking in Chambéry. Lelandais was living in a flat in the Savoyard town at the same time as Adrien disappeared. The examining magistrate then launched checks on the sexual predator's schedule. His old phone was examined. "But it's been more than a year since this lead has been ruled out," says Solange Viallar-Valézy, lawyer for Marie-France and Salvatore. Nothing has linked Adrien to Lelandais."

This leaves the Swiss possibility. Adrien Fiorello had inquired about an NGO, "Terre des hommes", based in the Swiss country, which works for sustainable development and the well-being of children. Was it to put his political ideals into practice? Did he take a train to join members of the organisation? "We published a wanted poster last year in the Swiss press to solicit testimonies, but it didn't work. Unfortunately, there was a mistake: the photo provided was of poor quality," deplores the Fiorellos' lawyer, who agrees: "In this case, several hypotheses have been put forward, but each time we dig, nothing moves. No one was ever taken into custody during this investigation."

Shortly before her death, Marie-France Fiorello nevertheless favoured one theory: that of a bad encounter. The ARPD, who will continue to keep an eye on the case, paid tribute to her on its website: "Marie-France was a warrior, a mother who never gave up, who wanted to know what had happened to her son Adrien, she always had a kind word, helped families in his case, with a smile even when her health was at its worst and she was suffering. Devastated, her husband Salvatore will not take up the media torch. On the Facebook page dedicated to the search, one of Marie-France's friends wrote in her memory, as if after hope there was nothing left but faith: "I hope you know the truth from where you are."


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So NL has been ruled out in the disappearance of Adrien Fiorello.

 

[ZaZara]

Nordahl Lelandais : "Je l'ai traité comme un accusé ordinaire", confie Jacques Dallest sur RTL

This was a case that has greatly touched the French. In August 2017, a young girl, Maëlys, was abducted and murdered during a wedding in Pont de Beauvoisin in the Isère region. Already sentenced to 20 years in prison for the murder of Corporal Arthur Noyer, Nordahl Lelandais was found guilty in this case and was sentenced to life imprisonment, with 22 years of security. This maximum sentence had been requested by Jacques Dallest, the public prosecutor of Grenoble. He was interviewed by RTL about the Lelandais trial.

During the three weeks of the trial, he literally faced Nordahl Lelandais, his box being located right opposite that of the accused. "I am unfortunately relatively used to criminals, because of my experience. He was no different from any other character I've had to deal with. I treated him as an ordinary defendant, in a case that was not ordinary."

Jacques Dallest recalled that his professional status obliged him to keep a certain distance from the accused and he refused to accept any relationship of seduction or even hatred with Lelandais. Despite the horror of the alleged facts, it is necessary to keep "a form of professional coldness, which is not always clear to the families of the victims," he said. "Our role is to judge, as neutrally as possible."

He nevertheless wanted to pay tribute to Maëlys' family, who have been "of exemplary dignity throughout the trial. What was most moving was without doubt the slide show of little Maëlys, laughing, with her mother. All these images are certainly very moving, we were all touched."

Did Lelandais rape Maëlys? This question was at the centre of the debates during the trial. The aim was to find out the reasons that led him to kidnap this little child at 3am during the wedding.

For Jacques Dallest, the motives were sexual: "I personally considered that he had abducted her for sexual reasons, but legally speaking, in the files, we were not able to establish that there had been any sexual acts. Moreover, he defended himself to the end. The prosecutor admitted that he "would have been very surprised" if Lelandais had admitted to sexual contact."

In the end, the accused was given a life sentence, with 22 years of security. For Jacques Dallest, it was an intellectual satisfaction: "We say to ourselves, I was successful, but there is no feeling of victory. It is even terrible to condemn someone to the heaviest sentence. But I considered that he was one of the worst criminals and therefore deserved this punishment."


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[Niner]

@ZaZara
the accused was given a life sentence, with 22 years of security.

What does mean by 22 years of security? Life sentence - and he HAS to serve at least 22 years? TIA!



HOT enough for you??!! UGH!!

 

[ZaZara]

@ZaZara
the accused was given a life sentence, with 22 years of security.

What does mean by 22 years of security? Life sentence - and he HAS to serve at least 22 years? TIA!



HOT enough for you??!! UGH!!
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Yep. At least 22 years. And if he does not behave.... wich he hasn't done, but that was in pre-detention with regard to this sentence.

 

[ZaZara]

Detailed report about how the tiny spec of blood was found that linked Nordahl Lelandais to the murder of little Maëlys.


Quand une infime goutte de sang suffisait à coincer Nordahl Lelandais…

In the greatest secrecy, in the winter of 2017, a long-distance arm wrestling match was being waged between two men. Yet Colonel Pham-Hoai and Nordahl Lelandais only met once, during the trial.

(....) But the examining magistrate Gaëlle Bardosse, who was co-investigating the case with two colleagues, had the intuition that Lelandais was hiding something. On 31 August, he was taken into custody.

It was decided to send the Audi A3 to Pontoise, to the premises of the IRCGN. There was no question of transporting it from Grenoble on an ordinary tow truck. "It arrived in a closed lorry that usually transports racing cars," Emmanuel Pham-Hoai recalls. On Thursday 1 September, at 6 a.m., the Audi arrived at the IRCGN garage and was immediately covered to avoid any "pollution". Dressed like cosmonauts, Colonel Pham-Hoai's men got to work. The first surprise: "on the outside it was spotless," the gendarme says. Second surprise: the interior was also spotless and still smelled of cleaning products. "I had never seen such cleanliness in a vehicle to be appraised... We also knew that it had been inspected by the criminal investigation department, so we weren't very optimistic about our chances of finding something. A race against time is underway. Maëlys may still be alive.... We went looking for fingerprints, genetic traces, chemical residues..."

The Audi A3 is divided into "search zones". About 200 samples were taken as a matter of urgency. We started to have doubts, and then at around 2 a.m. on 2 September, something clicked," the colonel recalls. On the headlight switch, a button at the bottom left of the steering wheel, the machine detected a mixed DNA of Maëlys and Lelandais. At 3am, Colonel Pham-Hoai called the director of the investigation in Grenoble. "We have something..." Not yet enough to totally confuse him, but enough for Lelandais to change his version for the first time. He admits that the girl, "with a boy", got into the car, "to see if her dogs were there".

Lelandais is released from police custody, and Colonel Pham-Hoai is asked to dig deeper. "Until then, I had a DNA profile of Maëlys with 16 markers, I wanted to work with 21 markers, I remember asking for other objects that belonged to her. The next day, a toothbrush of the child is delivered to the IRCGN by helicopter ... "The Audi A3 is then dismantled piece by piece. The seats. The passenger window. The door mechanism. The handle. Everything goes. But nothing. Still nothing. Still nothing. The trunk is combed. Bluestar, the product that brings out the traces of blood, is sprayed everywhere. To no avail. "We didn't find a single trace. We were losing faith," the colonel admits.

Until that phone call from Judge Bardosse at the end of December. "She called me and told me that she had just watched the video of the car wash for the umpteenth time. She sees that Lelandais spends a lot of time cleaning the back left side of his trunk," Emmanuel Pham-Hoai explains. "I was hypersceptical. The only thing we hadn't done in the boot was to remove the plastic trim. As they are waterproof, I didn't see what we could expect to find underneath. At best, micro-particles... And then, by dismantling the trim, we risked damaging everything. So I was sceptical." But the judge insisted. A detective from the team who had worked in a car dealership found out how to dismantle the fixed parts of the boot "properly". A few days later, the last chance operation began. "There were four of us around the car when he removed the part," the colonel explains. "We saw the sheet metal of the trunk appear, and then we all grasped it, in the same second. A tiny drop of blood jumped out at the specialist investigators. A red dot of 3 or 4 mm... " It was 11 o'clock in the morning and we immediately took a first sample to see if it was human blood and it was." The hearts of the IRCGN gendarmes stopped beating. The rest of the drop was taken with infinite care to the second floor of the building and introduced into the genetic sequencing machine. The result is expected at 7 p.m. "Among us, we were divided: some thought it was Maëlys' blood, others that it was Corporal Noyer's," says Emmanuel Pham-Hoai. A little before 7pm, the machine is clear. It is her...

As explained by adjutant Céline Nicloux, an expert in the IRCGN's morphoanalysis of blood traces, who was present at the discovery, it was a combination of circumstances. According to her, when Lelandais placed the girl in his trunk, head on the left side, blood flowed from Maëlys' face into the gap of a removable fastening ring. Some of this blood then coagulated on the metal sheet. During the next day's wash down, some of the initial blood was diluted. "Apart from this small drop, whose presence is a miracle...".

"When we discovered this, I first called Judge Bardosse and we were both very moved," Colonel Pham-Hoai says. The magistrate was in tears. The information will remain confidential until February 2018, prompting Lelandais to confess. Checkmate on the razor's edge. "Without the drop of blood, I would have had him acquitted," his lawyer, Alain Jakubowicz, remarked at the end of the trial. An involuntary tribute to the work of the investigators. And to the admirable perseverance of an investigating judge.


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Much more at link.

 

[ZaZara]

Nordahl Lelandais : après Maëlys et Arthur Noyer, a-t-il fait d'autres victimes ?

Nordahl Lelandais: Did he make other victims besides little Maëlys and Arthur Noyer?

Five years ago, on the night of August 27, 2017, Maëlys de Araujo, 8, disappeared during a wedding party in Pont-de-Beauvoisin (Isère). It took only a few days to identify her kidnapper, a man named Nordahl Lelandais, 34. The individual was unemployed in the region. Six months later, he will point out the place, in a remote corner of the mountains, where he hid the body of the little girl.

The investigations quickly completed by the meticulous gendarmes will establish that Lelandais is indeed the murderer of the child but also that of a soldier, Corporal Arthur Noyer. He too had been reported missing.

The success of the investigation was a deceptive one, for despite the interrogations and the appearances at two trials, Nordahl Lelandais remained an enigma, evading the facts, distilling false confidences and constantly looking for ways out. Who is hiding behind this character who baffles psychiatrists, investigators and victims? Why has the full truth about the crimes of Maëlys and Corporal Noyer never comer to light?

Investigators and judges have long suspected Nordahl Lelandais of having committed other crimes. For three years, the Ariane cell, now no longer in operation, worked on more than 670 unsolved cases of disappearance in which Lelandais could have been involved. Without result.

But are we sure that Nordahl Lelandais has not made other victims? "We can't establish that. The investigations are still ongoing. To date, we can't attribute other crimes to him. It is up to these investigations to determine whether he can be implicated. We have to stick to the facts as we know them," according to Jacques Dallest, the public prosecutor at Nordahl Lelandais' trial.

He added: "Lelandais understood very well that in order to convict him, tangible evidence was needed."


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Two podcasts at link, in French. The guests are Jacques Dallest, public prosecutor of NL and Maître Fabien Rajon, lawyer of Maëlys' parents. Also Anne Le Henaff, reporter at RTL.

 

[ZaZara]

Cold cases. Trois tueurs célèbres, dont Nordahl Lelandais, visés par de nouvelles enquêtes judiciaires

Three notorious criminals are once again in the spotlight of the justice system. As revealed this Saturday by our colleagues from Le Parisien, the public prosecutor's office in Nanterre (Hauts-de-Seine) has opened three judicial inquiries targeting Nordahl Lelandais, Patrice Alègre and Willy Van Coppernolle.

The investigations have been entrusted to the national centre dedicated to cold cases, which was opened last spring. According to the Paris daily, specialised police and gendarmerie services, the Central Office for the Repression of Violence against Persons (OCRVP) and the Cold Case Division (Diane) have been mobilised.

But why open investigations when the three murderers have already been convicted? According to Le Parisien, the aim of these judicial investigations is to retrace their "life paths" and identify potential new victims. The investigators will thus try to draw parallels with unsolved cases of murder or rape that coincide with the life trajectories of the three criminals. This new form of investigation, made possible by the recent law on confidence in the judiciary, differs from a traditional investigation, which begins with a crime and then seeks the culprit.

Nordahl Lelandais, 39, was sentenced last February to life imprisonment for the murder of little Maëlys in August 2017. He was also sentenced in May 2021 to 20 years in prison for the murder of Corporal Arthur Noyer. The former dog handler, recently transferred to the prison in Ensisheim (Haut-Rhin), is also among the suspects in a case of disappearance of a 40-year-old man, found dead at the foot of a cliff in the Chartreuse mountain range, in Isère, in 2012.

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About the prison in Ensisheim:

This old and dilapidated prison, with about 200 places, houses prisoners serving long sentences. Several French serial killers, such as Michel Fourniret or Emile Louis, have been incarcerated there. Others are still there.

INFO FRANCEINFO. Justice : Nordahl Lelandais transféré dans une prison du Haut-Rhin

 

[ZaZara]

https://www.lanouvellerepublique.fr/a-la-une/la-justice-repart-sur-la-piste-de-trois-tueurs-en-serie

The "cold case" unit will use a new method to explore the past of three criminals, including Patrice Alègre and Nordahl Lelandais.

The new judicial unit dedicated to "serial or unsolved crimes", set up in Nanterre (Hauts-de-Seine) last March and staffed with three investigating judges, is going to carry out no less than a procedural revolution.
The new investigation framework, known as the "criminal pathway", will be applied to three of the most violent criminals currently imprisoned in France: Nordahl Lelandais, Patrice Alègre and Willy van Coppernolle. The judges will have to reconstruct their entire lives and try to uncover any unsolved crimes they may have committed. This is the first time that this method, introduced into French law at the end of 2021, will be used.

Until now, judges could only investigate specific facts. The new method will consist of trying to establish matches after first having examined all the information on the suspect: telephone, digital data, testimonies, documents, etc.

It seems very logical for the case of Nordahl Lelandais, 39, already twice sentenced (to twenty years and life) for the murders in 2017 of a young man, Arthur Noyer, and a girl, Maëlys de Araujo. "He will act on impulse, he is a liar, he is violent. The question that arises is: could a person who committed two homicides in six months have simply sat idle in the years that preceded?" Bernard Valézy, a former policeman who runs an association for the search for missing persons, said after the second Lelandais trial last February.
A gendarmerie cell has already uncovered a long list of files that may be linked to Lelandais, but only some of them have been reopened, and still in the old way, based on the facts and in several courts.

In the case of Patrice Alègre, 54, and the Belgian Willy van Coppernolle, 79, the new judicial information comes at a time when both are eligible for parole.
The first, arrested in 1997, was sentenced in 2002 to life imprisonment with 22 years' security for five murders, one attempted murder and six rapes. The second was sentenced in 1995 to the same maximum sentence for the murder of a child in the Gard and the rapes of two others in the Aude.
If the new proceedings lead to the discovery of other crimes, their first practical effect will be to prevent the release of either man. Patrice Alègre has already been prosecuted in the early 2000s for murders other than those in his trial, but without follow-up. Imaginary allegations of complicity with the former mayor of Toulouse Dominique Baudis and other personalities had been reduced to nothing after a media and judicial muddle.

Willy van Coppernolle has already been questioned in vain in the case of the disappearances or assassinations of a dozen children in the 1980s in Isère. Hi past has never been examined in entirety.

Didier Seban, a French lawyer and leading expert on the issue, had long been calling for this exploration of a fragment of France's crime history. "It is not fair to leave families without answers, it is not logical to let unsolved cases overwhelm the investigation system," he says.
For this lawyer and others, the criminal "purge" begun by the Nanterre division would be a way to enter into a true judicial modernity.


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> Created within the framework of the law for confidence in the judiciary, the national judicial centre dedicated to unsolved cases and serial crimes was set up on 1 March at the judicial court of Nanterre, within the jurisdiction of the Versailles court of appeal.
> The unit is composed of three specialised investigating magistrates, a first president, a vice-prosecutor, three court clerks, as well as two judicial police officers, seconded from the Ministry of the Interior. These specialists are fully involved in the activities and cases of the national judicial centre.
> This unit is a new structure in the French judicial system, and in particular makes it possible to link complex or unsolved cases throughout France by creating a single point of contact for European and international mutual legal assistance.
> Among the cases likely to be transferred to the national judicial centre, the oldest dates back to 1972: the mysterious disappearance of the Méchinaud family (the father, mother and their two minor sons) on Christmas Eve near Cognac in Charente. The most recent ones date from 2020.
>The transfer of a case to the national centre is subject to prior consultation between the Nanterre prosecutor's office, the prosecutor's office where the case originated and the investigating magistrate in charge of the case. With regard to unsolved cases that are not time-barred in France, it is estimated that nearly 200 cases are potentially transferable.
> More than thirty-five cases are currently being examined by the unit. These include the double murder of an octogenarian couple in August 2004 in Vernou-sur-Brenne (Indre-et-Loire), which was closed in 2012.
> The case of the remains of Fort de Tamié (Savoie) and the Chevaline massacre (Haute-Savoie), two cases dating back to 2012, are also likely to be transferred to the centre in the near future.

 

[ZaZara]

On September 16, Eric Foray had been missing for six years.

His partner Régis Pique write on the Find Eric Foray page on FB:

Like every morning, when I open my eyes my first thoughts are for you. And even today, the ritual of tears is still there. I cannot resign myself. Today in particular, I can't believe it's been six years. It feels like only a few months. I would never give up on you. But I wouldn't make a call for witnesses. What's the point?
Your executioners have decided to keep quiet.
And to think that on that day, all were blind, even the city cameras. Yet someone saw, someone knows! But they were too much of a coward to testify.

The incompetence and lack of concern of the cops, who didn't do their job. The justice system that is failing us, a judge that is abandoning us. For a woman they set off the dogs, the helicopters etc. For the Daval affair we even go so far as to make a TV film. But for you nothing, no resources.
My hope does not waver and I will continue my fight. I must know and I will know!
One day those responsible will pay, it cannot be otherwise. Whatever it takes.

When I reread your texts, even if it's torture, it was just before we were reunited in our little paradise, as you called it, I can't doubt your love. I can't doubt your love. That's why I'm sharing them today, to silence the bad tongues.
On the 16th of September our lives were turned upside down, and my heart was forever broken.

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[ZaZara]

Disparus du Fort de Tamié : le dossier en cours de transfert au pôle "cold cases" de Nanterre

The missing men of Fort de Tamié: their case is being transferred to the "cold cases" unit in Nanterre

The relatives of the two missing men from Fort Tamié (Savoie) have achieved what they wanted: the case will be transferred to the "cold cases" unit in Nanterre, that specialises in unsolved cases.

The relatives of Jean-Christophe Morin and Ahmed Hamadou met this Friday afternoon in front of the courthouse in Chambéry (Savoie). They have been lobbying for weeks for the two unsolved cases to be transferred to the newly created "cold cases" unit in Nanterre (Île-de-France) and they have just won their case.

On 10 September 2011, 22-year-old Jean-Christophe Morin disappeared during the electronic music festival at the Fort de Tamié. A year later, at the same festival, it was Ahmed Hamadou, 45, who disappeared. In October 2020, bones from Ahmed's skull were unearthed at the Fort. But the body of Jean-Christophe was never found. The investigation had been reopened in 2018 with the Lelandais case, but the trail was not successful. A decade after the facts, the causes of these two disappearances are still unknown.

On Friday 9 September, the families of the two missing men from the Fort de Tamié met with the investigating judge in charge of the kidnapping investigation and she agreed to hand over the case to the "cold cases" unit. Hence the judges in Nanterre who should take over the investigation. "We have obtained an agreement in principle", Mr Didier Seban, the families' lawyer, explains.

This is a "real step forward" for Adeline, Jean-Christophe Morin's sister: "the judges in the centre are judges who are willing to work on this type of case, which is not the case today, the current judge recognises that she has other priorities, that she did not have the necessary means to assess everything that was sent to her".

"We think that there will be more means for the investigation, they may have more tools to carry out this investigation" Daniel Morin, the father of Jean-Christophe Morin explains. "We hope to get to the truth one day," Fatima, Ahmed Hamadou's sister, added.


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[ZaZara]

I am catching up a bit on the cases that were once / still may be connected to Nordahl Lelandais.

Régis Pique posted an update on the Find Éric Foray page on October 19:


Finally some good news. I didn't go to the Court of Appeal in Grenoble for nothing.

After deliberation, the court made its decision. And ordered the continuation of the investigations and appointed a new investigating judge.
To respect the secrecy of the investigation, I will not give any more details.

I would like to thank Maître Boulloud, my lawyer, for his formidable plea.
I thank the president of the investigating chamber and his advisers. Madam the public prosecutor for having heard my despair and for taking the right decision.
I thank the public prosecutor.
I believe and hope in the newly appointed Vice-President.
I hope that finally a real investigation will be carried out and that I will know the truth about ERIC's disappearance.
Thank you all for your support over the years.


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Disparition inquiétante dans le "secteur" de Nordahl Lelandais : le corps de Georgette Bonnet retrouvé

Remains of Georgette Bonnet have been found

The disappearance of the 60-year-old in the Alps in 2016 had been linked for a time to the life of Nordahl Lelandais for verification. Her body was found at last by a hunter. It is believed that her death was accidental.

Her name was Georgette Bonnet. She was 79 years of age. She had disappeared on 9 September 2016 in the car park of the small ski resort of La Chapelle-du-Bard in Isère. After a fortnight, intrigued to see that her blue Twingo had not moved from the car park, the town hall had finally raised the alert. As she lived alone in the Grésivaudan valley, in Lumbin (Isère), and had no known family ties in the region, no one had reported her missing. An activist within the ADA, "accueil demandeurs d'asile", Georgette Bonnet was known for her "love of the mountains".



On Friday 9 September 2016, she had disappeared, probably on her way to pick blueberries, which were abundant in the area. In the months that followed, concerned about this disturbing disappearance, Michel Belin-Croyat, former colonel of the gendarmerie and at the time mayor of La Chapelle du Bard, had wondered about a possible link between this mystery and a "wild" music concert at the ski resort in the previous days. Another hypothesis: a possible connection with Nordahl Lelandais, the killer of little Maëlys and Corporal Arthur Noyer, two crimes committed in 2017. Like about thirty people whose disappearance was considered worrying in the Alps in the 2010s, Georgette Bonnet had not given any sign of life in a geographical area where the predator might have been present. The case of the octogenarian therefore joined the list of gendarmes in charge of cross-referencing the path of the former dog handler. Could Lelandais and his dogs have crossed the path of the blueberry picker in the mountains?

According to our information, the body of the sixty-year-old was finally found in the spring of 2022, by a forest ranger from La Chapelle-du-Bard, Nicolas D. "It was at the end of April," he said. At a time of year when the snow had melted and the vegetation had not yet grown back. This hunter knows this remote massif well, where wolves live. On 30 April 2022, about an hour's walk from the car park, he leaves the path leading to the Occiput Pass and goes deep into the forest. "You have to go over a few hills and then you arrive in a fairly isolated area. I first saw a walking stick." Intrigued, he approaches. He then saw some shoes, then a kind of briefcase that probably contained an ING bank card.

A little further down, a small green and white backpack is lying on the ground. It still contains car keys and an identity card. "I made the connection with the lady with the Twingo," he says. The hunter descended the mountain like a staircase in haste, running down the steps four by four, and returned to the place of discovery that same day, accompanied by the gendarmes of the Pontcharra brigade. As they searched the area further, they found a skull and bones scattered below. "She must have been looking for blueberries, there are indeed a lot of them in this area, Nicolas D. comments. At this point, there is a fairly steep ravine for about thirty metres. Probably she went up the ravine and fell on the way down.

"We were only informed very recently," according to Yves Dal Bello, delegate of the ARPD association (Assistance et Recherche de Personnes Disparues) in Isère. Yves Dal Bello has been very involved in the case. "No one knew about it locally, even though major searches had been undertaken at the time and a search notice had been issued by the gendarmerie," this campaigner of the association regrets. Intrigued by the fact "that neither the blueberry comb nor the basket was found," Yves Dal Bello hoped "to be able to go to the site before the snowfall."

"This is not going to be possible", he says today, promising himself to go up there in the spring to "make up his own mind"... And also to pay tribute to the missing woman, whom he has been investigating for a long time and who still leaves him with so many questions. The gendarmerie has concluded that it was an accident.

BBM


RIP Georgette Bonnet, always in the mountains.






This is a blueberry comb. they are made of wood or plastic:



Makes one wonder about the size and shape of the basket, and the length of the walk.

 

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Disparition d'Éric Foray : son crâne retrouvé dans le Vercors six ans après

Disappearance of Eric Foray: his skull found in the Vercors six years later

The prosecutor's office in Valence announced on Wednesday 4 January that a skull found in the Vercors massif has been identified as that of Eric Foray, who was last seen in 2016 in Chatuzange-le-Goubet (Drôme).

Eric Foray had been missing since 16 September 2016: his skull was recently discovered in the Vercors massif, the public prosecutor's office in Valence announced on Wednesday 4 January in a statement. The cause of death has yet to be determined, the rest of the body has not been found, nor the car in which the 46 year old man from the Drôme region had left his home in 2016.

The investigations are continuing, under the guidance of an examining magistrate from the Valence criminal division. It is now an investigation for "murder", not for "kidnapping and sequestration". Eric Foray, 1.90 meters, 46 years old, had not given any sign of life since 2016, in Chatuzange-le-Goubet (Drôme), where he had gone shopping. He had left the town in a car, a gold-coloured Suzuki Grand Vitara with the number EA-858-RS.

The prosecutor's office did not specify what led to the discovery of the skull. The name of Eric Foray was often mentioned among the possible "other" victims of Nordahl Lelandais, murderer of little Maëlys de Araujo and Corporal Noyer. In an address book, the name of Julien Foray was found by investigators, but there is no Julien in the family of Eric. The investigation was entrusted to the cold case group of the Grenoble research section, supported by the Drôme gendarmerie.

For many years, Eric Foray's former companion, Régis Pique, has been moving heaven and earth to find the missing man. He was received by the investigating judge in charge of the Foray case in 2021.

The prosecutor's statement reads: "If you have any information about the disappearance or death of Eric Foray or the whereabouts of his vehicle, you can contact the gendarmerie on 06 44 30 09 58.


BBM


RIP Éric Foray. May your memory be a blessing.
Heartfelt condolences to his beloved partner Régis Pique.

 

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Affaire Eric Foray : le crâne de l'homme disparu en 2016 a été retrouvé dans le Vercors

It is an unsolved case, that has now seen a major breakthrough. This Wednesday 4 January, the prosecutor of Valence in the Drôme announced that the skull of Eric Foray, missing since September 2016, had been found "recently" in the Vercors massif.

Eric Foray, then aged 47, had disappeared in Chatuzange-le-Goubet, near Romans-sur-Isère, in the Drôme, at the foot of the Vercors mountains. He had gone shopping and never returned. His disappearance had been reported by his companion, Régis Pique. But the search for the 40-year-old never led to finding his body or even his vehicle.

The discovery of Eric Foray's skull in the Vercors, a mountainous massif that is not very accessible in places, has completely reopened the investigation into his disappearance. Forensic analyses have confirmed his identity, after the discovery of the bones. Régis Pique, whom we were able to contact, says he is "devastated" by this news. He wonders "why" and "how" Eric Foray could have died.

Many grey areas have not yet been cleared up in this case. "The causes of Eric Foray's death remain to be discovered, as do the rest of his remains. For the time being, no hypothesis has been ruled out, including that of voluntary manslaughter," the Valence prosecutor, Laurent de Caigny, said in a statement.

The place where the skull was discovered was not revealed by the prosecutor's office, nor did they specify what lead to the discovery of the skull. The name of Eric Foray has often been mentioned as a possible "other" victim of Nordahl Lelandais. While this remains only a hypothesis, similar facts exist with the murder of Arthur Noyer. The soldier killed by Nordahl Lelandais had disappeared after a night in a discotheque, before his skull was found several months later.


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Maître Bernard Boulloud, lawyer of Régis Pique does not believe in a link with Nordahl LeLandais. According to him, another serial killer could be active in the region, given the disappearance of Nelly Balmain in 2011.

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Drôme. Mort d’Éric Foray : « Il s’agit soit d’une mauvaise rencontre, soit d’un prédateur »



A few kilometres separate the commune of Chatuzange-le-Goubet from that of Barbières. Only a few kilometres separate the last image of Eric Foray alive from the discovery of his skull.

According to information from the Dauphiné Libéré, the bones of the Drômois were found near the village of Barbières. This sector of the Monts du matin lies between the hills of the Drôme and the Vercors regional nature park. It is located about fifteen kilometres from Chatuzange-le-Goubet, where Eric Foray, 47, lived and where, on 16 September 2016 at about 12.30 pm, he disappeared.

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From Chatuzange-le-Goubet to Barbières is a two hour walk, or 10 minutes by car. Chilling to think that Régis Pique may indeed, as he says, have passed by the location. Together, Régis and Éric used to make long walks with their dogs.

The crime - I too think it was a crime and not a hiking accident or a suicide - is very local.
On the evening of september 16, 2016, the phone of Éric Foray pinged for the last time in Romains-sur-Isère, the town across the river Isère, north of Chatuzange-le-Goubet. It is a 10 minute drive from Chatuzange-le-Gouber to Romains-sur-Isère.
The area of Barbières is 10 minutes by car to the south-east from Chatuzange-le-Goubet. From Romains to Barbières, the D149 passes through Chatuzange. Beyond Barbières the mountain range begins.

On the other side of the first mountains ridge, a bit to the north, is St Jean-en-Royans, the village where Nelly Balmain and her scooter disappeared into thin air in 2011.

 

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"... He will never return."

So sad.

Vidéo. Affaire Éric Foray : « Tout s’écroule, il ne va plus revenir », témoigne son compagnon

Dix jours après l’annonce de la découverte du crâne d’Éric Foray, qui avait disparu en septembre 2016 à Chatuzange-le-Goubet, Régis Pique, son compagnon, livre son témoignage. « Avant cette découverte, j’avais toujours un espoir. Je me disais que j’allais l’entendre arriver. Qu’il allait...

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I partially updated @Niner 's list with regards to the possible other victims of Nordahl Lelandais.
The Ariane Cell no longer exists. Their task was to find out if there were links between Nordahl Lelandais and certaind disappearances in the region. The results of their work have never been made public.
Some cases from this list have been transferred to the new Cold Case Pole that has recently been established in France.
One new case has been added to the list as during the Maëlys trial, an anonymous letter was sent the the ARPD, detailing the involvement of Nordahl Lelandais in the disappearance and death of an autisitic man.

The other cases have me wondering if these specific disappearances / deaths have anything to do with NL at all, but regardless of NL's possible involvement, untill they are solved, we will never know. And, at the same time, I also wonder if NL didn't kill more people, I would not be surprised if he had.


Estelle Mouzin, 9, still missing, presumed dead.
Estelle disappeared on 9 January 2003 in Guermantes (Seine-et-Marne), around 6 pm between her house and her school.

NL has been excluded in this case.
Serial killer Michel Fourniret has confessed to the murder of Estelle Mouzin in 2003.

Adlène Kifani, 18, still missing.
He disappeared after making a brief call to 17 [ police help!] number after leaving his family home to meet with his friends & have a drink at a bar in Portes-lès-Valence (Drôme) on 16 April, 2009 only a few dozen meters away from his home.

On Ariane cell list. Outcome unknown.

Rachid Rameche, still missing.
He disappeared in 2009 June 10, in Bassens (Savoie) while he was in a psychiatric institution. He withdrew the amount of his adult disability benefits before he disappeared. He was staying in the same centre that Lucie Roux and Nordahl Lelandais attended between 2012 and 2013.

Rachid was seen and identified in Strasbourg in 2009 after his disappearance. He may be in Belgium where he was fined in 2009 and 2014.

Coralie Moussu, found deceased.
The autopsy of the body of the 32-year-old woman, found in the Rhône in December, reveals that she did not drown. Coralie Moussu's car, a black Nissan Micra with 2899 YZ 30 registration, car has never been found. The young woman was last seen inside this vehicle on the morning of November 6, 2009 in Vénéjan (Gard).

No link to date with NL.

Nicolas Suppo, 30 years old, still missing.
The technical specialist disappeared on 15 September 2010 near Echirolles during his lunch break. His coworkers saw him at work in the morning. He had neither his identity papers nor his blue card with him. The case was closed without further action in 2014, then reopened at the beginning of the year (2018) by the Grenoble court.

On Ariane cell list. Outcome unknown.

Adrien Fiorello, still missing.
The 22-year-old student disappeared on 6 October 2010 in Firminy (Loire) while he was on his way to the university in Chambéry (Savoie). The young man's cell phone last pinged in Chambéry (train station) at 5:37 p.m. on October 6, 2010.

On Ariane cell list. Outcome: Nordahl Lelandais was excluded in this case.

Nelly Balmain, still missing.
Nelly Balmain was 29 when she left the family home of Saint-Jean-en-Royans (Drôme) on a scooter, without reappearing. She disappears on 8 August 2011. On 11 January 2018, the Public Prosecutor's Office in Valence reopened the investigation into the disappearance of Nelly Balmain, aged 29, which had been closed in 2015. Her scooter was never found.

On Ariane cell list. Outcome inknown.

Jean-Christophe Morin, 23, still missing.
He disappeared on 9-10 September 2011 during an electro party at Tamié Fort in Albertville (Savoie). The gendarmes only found his backpack.

On Ariane cell list. File moved to the new Cold Case Pole.

Kévin Fauvel, 27, still missing.
On the night of 1-2-3 April 2012, he left the community of Jansiac, located in Châteauneuf-Miravail, in the Jabron Valley. Since then, his family has no news. He was supposed to hitch a ride to his mother's house in Brittany. Ten days later, his father found his identity papers in Jansiac, without any further explanation about this mysterious disappearance.

NL has been ruled out as suspect for this case.

Malik Boutvillain, 32, still missing.
He disappeared on 6 May 2012 in Echirolles (Isère). He was out jogging. Suffers from schizophrenia.

On Ariane cell list. Outcome unknown.

Hugo Raffi, 18 years old, still missing.
He left home in flip-flops, without a mobile phone and without papers in Albertville (Savoie) on 15, June 2012.

On Ariane cell list. Outcome unknown.

Ahmed Hamadou, 45, partial remains found.
He disappeared in 7-8 September 2012 at Fort Tamié (Savoie). Hamadou was from Le-Pont-de-Beauvoisin, he knew Nordahl Lelandais.

On Ariane cell list. File moved to Cold Case Pole.


Lucie Roux, 43, still missing.
Lucie Roux disappears on 16 September 2012 from the psychiatric centre in Bassens in Chambéry (Savoie). She was treated from 2006 to 2012 at Bassens for depression and had 3 roommates. And it seems that Nordahl Lelandais was followed by the medical-psychological center of Chambéry from 2012 to 2013.

On Ariane cell list. Outcome unknown.

Loïc Guérin, 43, found deceased.
Loïc Guérin, autistic, disappeared from the home where he was living in Sainte-Marie-du-Mont. His remains were found a few days later at the foot af a falaise. In 2022, an anonymous letter, received by the ARPD, accused NL of chasing the handicapped man through the woods with his dogs.

Investigation is ongoing.

Stéphane Chemin, still missing.
33 years old, suffers from schizophrenia, disappeared on 24 September 2012 in Bourg-d' Oisans region (Isère).

On Ariane cell list. Outcome unknown.

Florent Bonnet, 37 years old, still missing.
He disappeared on 18 January 2014 in Bourg-Saint-Maurice (Savoie). He was on a motorcycle and his two-wheeler was found near the Siaix tunnel, with a helmet on it.


Caroline Rivollier, still missing.
29 years old 2014 May, lived in Lyon, had told her roommates that she was leaving for a few days but she never came back. Her credit card was used in Chambéry three nights in a row.


Eve Monteil, 49 years old, still missing.
She disappeared on 25 August 2014, in Bourg-en-Bresse (Ain).

Lucas Tronche, found deceased.
The then 15 years old, had disappeared on 18 March 2015, at 5.10 pm, from Bagnols-sur-Cèze. Lucas' remains were found off a steep rocky hill near his home in 2022. COD is unknown, an accident is suspected.

NL has been excluded in the disappearance of Lucas.

Monique Thibert, 62, councillor of Hauteville, suddenly disappeared during a hike on 2 June 2015 in the mountains near Crots (Hautes Alpes). Monique was a bit ahead of the group she was part of, and the alert was given very quickly. Despite the deployment of a very vast search operation on a clearly identified territory, she was never found.

NL has been ruled out as suspect in this case.

Nordine Seghiri, 49, found deceased in 2016.
He disappeared on 10 July 2015 from a hospital in Chambéry (Savoie).

Thomas Rauschkolb, found deceased.
Sunday (December 27, 2015) around 4:50 p.m., the father of an 18-year-old man contacted the gendarmes to report the disappearance of his son. Thomas R.'s body was found the next day, in the river. Grésy-sur-Aix is about 25 minutes north of Chambéry, by car.

On Ariane cell list. Outcome unknown.

Anne-Charlotte Poncin, 30 years old, still missing.
A-C P disappeared on 5 January 2016 in Ambérieu-en-Bugey (Ain). In the morning, she leaves her home on foot to go downtown to look for work, never to be seen again.

On the Ariane cell list? Outcome unknown.

Antoine Zoia, found deceased.
The 16-year-old teenager has not been seen since 1 March 2016. He disappeared in Clarensac, near Nîmes, also in the Gard.
Remains found on 29 September 2018, a few kilometres from the centre of the village in the Gard. Hunter found his body hanging from tree.

No link with NL.

Ilhan Sahingoz, 39 years old missing from Albertville since 11 April 2016.

Olivier Charpe, 59, never returned from a mountain bike ride on 12 August 2016 in Saint-Romans (Isère).

Georgette Amat Chantoux (Georgette Bonnet), found deceased.
She was reported missing in October 2016, but her phone had not been active since 9 September 2016.
Her remains were found in the mountains in 2022. An accident is the most likely COD

Éric Foray, 47, deceased, partial remains found late 2022.
Éric Foray disappeared on 16 September 2016, from Chatuzange-le-Goubet. He went shopping for lunch and never returned. His vehicle has never been found. Late 2022, part of his cranium was found in the Vercors Massif, not far from the village where he lived.

On Ariane cell list. Outcome unknown.
Family lawyer is of the opinion that there may be a different serial murderer in the area, who is also responsible for the disappearance of Nelly Balmain.

Arthur Noyer, 23 years old, found deceased.
Arthur Noyer disappeared on 11-12 April 2017 in Chambéry.
Nordahl Lelandais was convicted for the young man's murder.

Adrien Mourialmé, 24 years old, found deceased.
He disappeared in 5 July 2017 on the shores of Lake Annecy (Haute-Savoie). His remains were found 9 months later on April 6, 2018 hanging from a tree in Talloires-Montmin. No crime suspected.

Maëlys De Araujo, 9 years old, found deceased.
She disappeared at Pont-de-Beauvoisin in 27 August 2017. Her bones were discovered on February 14 and 15 at the foot of Mont Grêle in Savoie.
Nordahl Leleandais was convicted for the little girl's murder.


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