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That name - José Altagracia Ovando Hidalgo - will also lead you to another lawyer, by the name of Sencion, whom Silsby claimed was working on her file in the DR with immigration.
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It was a land transaction many years ago. So it had to do with real estate.
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There is a court ruling about someone by the name of
Jose Maria Altagracia Ovando Hidalgo.
He was jailed for fraud, falsifying documents in 1994.
http://www.suprema.gov.do/sentscj/sentencia.asp?B1=VR&llave=106130016
With an address in Sosùa.
But I have no idea if José = José Maria.
Jose Maria Altagracia Ovando Hidalgo.
He was jailed for fraud, falsifying documents in 1994.
http://www.suprema.gov.do/sentscj/sentencia.asp?B1=VR&llave=106130016
With an address in Sosùa.
But I have no idea if José = José Maria.
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I don't know if this elaborate article was referenced here earlier.
In an interview with Clave Digital on Jan 11, Carlos Castillo, the DR Consul-General in P-a-P, stated that:
- Silsby had only two documents to show when she visited him: the articles of incorporation of New Life Children's Refuge in Idaho, and the commercial registry for the Dominican company. Far from sufficient, especially the lack of Haitian documents.
- Silsby claimed her attorney in the DR, by the name of Sención, and her partner there (Hidalgo) were in touch with the Directorate-General of Migration in Sto Domingo. Castillo contacted the Dir. Gen. office right away and was told they had no trace of any request from Silsby.
Thus he duly warned her not to try to cross the border.
The article goes on to explain that also on the Dominican side the required procedures were not completed. Registering the company is only the first of many legal steps in the process. Such as applying with CONANI, the National Council for Children & Adolescents, that monitors 312 NGO's.
And only days before, on Jan 25, Dominican and Haitian authorities had met at the border and agreed on strict orders to avoid child trafficking: "No child would cross the border without the presence of a consular agent from a foreign Embassy or Consulate, or from Unicef".
Clave Digital - online version
Clave Digital - complete print version - PDF (p. 8 & 9)
In an interview with Clave Digital on Jan 11, Carlos Castillo, the DR Consul-General in P-a-P, stated that:
- Silsby had only two documents to show when she visited him: the articles of incorporation of New Life Children's Refuge in Idaho, and the commercial registry for the Dominican company. Far from sufficient, especially the lack of Haitian documents.
- Silsby claimed her attorney in the DR, by the name of Sención, and her partner there (Hidalgo) were in touch with the Directorate-General of Migration in Sto Domingo. Castillo contacted the Dir. Gen. office right away and was told they had no trace of any request from Silsby.
Thus he duly warned her not to try to cross the border.
The article goes on to explain that also on the Dominican side the required procedures were not completed. Registering the company is only the first of many legal steps in the process. Such as applying with CONANI, the National Council for Children & Adolescents, that monitors 312 NGO's.
And only days before, on Jan 25, Dominican and Haitian authorities had met at the border and agreed on strict orders to avoid child trafficking: "No child would cross the border without the presence of a consular agent from a foreign Embassy or Consulate, or from Unicef".
Clave Digital - online version
Clave Digital - complete print version - PDF (p. 8 & 9)
Thanks for posting the Clave article and letting us know what it essentially says. I know I have seen another translation of it somewhere, but frankly it didn't make much sense. Yours does.
Note that the actual date was February 11, 2010 (not Jan 11)
and that the proper URL to the online version is:
http://www.clavedigital.com/app_pages/Noticias/Noticias.aspx?id_Articulo=27640
Note that the actual date was February 11, 2010 (not Jan 11)
and that the proper URL to the online version is:
http://www.clavedigital.com/app_pages/Noticias/Noticias.aspx?id_Articulo=27640
'Next thing you know, they put us all in jail': Allen tells of Haiti trip
Missionary expected a quick visit to help people
By Jon Mark Beilue
This is the first of a two part article. It talks some of the activities prior to the arrest and to the arrest itself. It fills in a few pieces of the puzzle, for me.
Missionary expected a quick visit to help people
By Jon Mark Beilue
This is the first of a two part article. It talks some of the activities prior to the arrest and to the arrest itself. It fills in a few pieces of the puzzle, for me.
Okay, bare with me, but I think someone is lying.
Looking back on first reports of this whole caper, it seems that the following occurred:
FRIDAY January 29th: The 10 Baptists were halted late at night at the border, attempting to take the 33 children out of Haiti and into the Dominican Republic without proper papers. The Baptists spent the night in the bus, with the children in a safe place, at the border.
SATURDAY January 30th: The Baptists were escorted by authorities back to Port au Prince for questioning. Laura Silsby was questioned extensively. Ultimately the entire group was arrested and put in jail.
SUNDAY January 31st: First reports in U.S. press about the arrests.
MONDAY February 1st: Jorge Puello is quoted in an AP report - "One of their lawyers said they were being treated poorly: "There is no air conditioning, no electricity. It is very disturbing," Attorney Jorge Puello told the AP by phone from the Dominican Republic, where the Baptists hoped to shelter the children in a rented beach hotel."
So, by Monday either Jorge had already contacted the Central Valley Church and been hired as their attorney OR he was in the process of doing that but in the meantime was inserting himself into the whole thing and calling the Associated Press and claiming to be their lawyer.
IN ADDITION: The Baptists were detained on Friday Jan 29th but they were not actually arrested until later in the day on Saturday Jan 30th.
Jose Hidalgo the Real Estate Guy and partner in the Refugio de Niños Nueva Vida Dominicana says that Jorge Puello contacted him 3 days after The Baptists were arrested. So, that would be either Monday Feb 1st or Tuesday Feb 2nd.
Jose Hildago said that Jorge Puello requested documents detailing Silsby's plans to open the orphanage in the Dominican Republic so he could prove her innocence. Hidalgo said he turned over copies of the documents after Puello showed him a video in which he interviewed Coulter, one of the missionaries.
No matter what, I think Puello was in Port au Prince on Monday for the first hearing with the desperado kidnapping Baptists. If he hadn't been officially hired by that time, he must have told The Baptists that their families or their church had hired him because apparently, he had an interview of some kind with Charise Coulter, the video of which he then used to convince Hildago to turn over papers to him. It must also be how he learned of Hildago. Unless . . . he and Hildago are both 'in it', which could be possible. Is Puello hiding at Hidalgo's Hideout?
Who knows?
Looking back on first reports of this whole caper, it seems that the following occurred:
FRIDAY January 29th: The 10 Baptists were halted late at night at the border, attempting to take the 33 children out of Haiti and into the Dominican Republic without proper papers. The Baptists spent the night in the bus, with the children in a safe place, at the border.
SATURDAY January 30th: The Baptists were escorted by authorities back to Port au Prince for questioning. Laura Silsby was questioned extensively. Ultimately the entire group was arrested and put in jail.
SUNDAY January 31st: First reports in U.S. press about the arrests.
MONDAY February 1st: Jorge Puello is quoted in an AP report - "One of their lawyers said they were being treated poorly: "There is no air conditioning, no electricity. It is very disturbing," Attorney Jorge Puello told the AP by phone from the Dominican Republic, where the Baptists hoped to shelter the children in a rented beach hotel."
So, by Monday either Jorge had already contacted the Central Valley Church and been hired as their attorney OR he was in the process of doing that but in the meantime was inserting himself into the whole thing and calling the Associated Press and claiming to be their lawyer.
IN ADDITION: The Baptists were detained on Friday Jan 29th but they were not actually arrested until later in the day on Saturday Jan 30th.
Jose Hidalgo the Real Estate Guy and partner in the Refugio de Niños Nueva Vida Dominicana says that Jorge Puello contacted him 3 days after The Baptists were arrested. So, that would be either Monday Feb 1st or Tuesday Feb 2nd.
Jose Hildago said that Jorge Puello requested documents detailing Silsby's plans to open the orphanage in the Dominican Republic so he could prove her innocence. Hidalgo said he turned over copies of the documents after Puello showed him a video in which he interviewed Coulter, one of the missionaries.
No matter what, I think Puello was in Port au Prince on Monday for the first hearing with the desperado kidnapping Baptists. If he hadn't been officially hired by that time, he must have told The Baptists that their families or their church had hired him because apparently, he had an interview of some kind with Charise Coulter, the video of which he then used to convince Hildago to turn over papers to him. It must also be how he learned of Hildago. Unless . . . he and Hildago are both 'in it', which could be possible. Is Puello hiding at Hidalgo's Hideout?
Who knows?
http://www.amarillo.com/stories/022010/new_news1.shtml
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How was it determined what children would be taken into the Dominican Republic?
"They would have no mother or father and no means of anyone taking care of them. They were supposed to be 10 years or younger. My understanding was the Dominican had authorized 100 children 10 years and younger with no parents allowed in. I didn't know the animosity between the two countries. But they were going to at least allow that."
To your knowledge, were there any children taken without permission?
"No, none at all. Just the opposite. They give you their permission. They specifically said this child has no mother or father and we can't take care of this child and we want to authorize you to take this child into the Dominican."
Who's saying this, the people who ran the orphanage?
"Yes, his name was Pastor Jean."
This is part of what bothers me about this interview. What orphanage was Pastor Jean associated with? We know that the majority of the children were from that one village where many of them had a living parent or relative caring for them, and gave them permission to take their children. Why is there no mention of this in the article?? Why no mention of the first bus load of 40 children that they were stopped with? Was he aware that Silsby and others had been told repeatedly that what they were attempting to do was illegal? Where was he during these times?
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We went there with the knowledge that the paperwork we had should be sufficient, but possibly not.
"So it wasn't a surprise. We were hoping we wouldn't need to go back, but expecting it to be a possibility.
Why did they think their paperwork was sufficient when they seemingly had NOTHING from the Haitian authorities giving them permission of some sort? No passports or such for the children, or signed authorization from the relatives? Seems common sense alone would tell them that they needed official documentation on the children IMO. Why would they drive for hours to reach the border even thinking their paperwork might not be sufficient? Seems to me that would be something one would want to take care of in PaP BEFORE making the drive and attempting to cross the border. Sorry but this article just adds more questions for me. Either these people were all dumb as door nails or they are lying one IMO because I am not buying his explanations for things. JMO
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How was it determined what children would be taken into the Dominican Republic?
"They would have no mother or father and no means of anyone taking care of them. They were supposed to be 10 years or younger. My understanding was the Dominican had authorized 100 children 10 years and younger with no parents allowed in. I didn't know the animosity between the two countries. But they were going to at least allow that."
To your knowledge, were there any children taken without permission?
"No, none at all. Just the opposite. They give you their permission. They specifically said this child has no mother or father and we can't take care of this child and we want to authorize you to take this child into the Dominican."
Who's saying this, the people who ran the orphanage?
"Yes, his name was Pastor Jean."
This is part of what bothers me about this interview. What orphanage was Pastor Jean associated with? We know that the majority of the children were from that one village where many of them had a living parent or relative caring for them, and gave them permission to take their children. Why is there no mention of this in the article?? Why no mention of the first bus load of 40 children that they were stopped with? Was he aware that Silsby and others had been told repeatedly that what they were attempting to do was illegal? Where was he during these times?
snipped from the link:
We went there with the knowledge that the paperwork we had should be sufficient, but possibly not.
"So it wasn't a surprise. We were hoping we wouldn't need to go back, but expecting it to be a possibility.
Why did they think their paperwork was sufficient when they seemingly had NOTHING from the Haitian authorities giving them permission of some sort? No passports or such for the children, or signed authorization from the relatives? Seems common sense alone would tell them that they needed official documentation on the children IMO. Why would they drive for hours to reach the border even thinking their paperwork might not be sufficient? Seems to me that would be something one would want to take care of in PaP BEFORE making the drive and attempting to cross the border. Sorry but this article just adds more questions for me. Either these people were all dumb as door nails or they are lying one IMO because I am not buying his explanations for things. JMO
Gwinnett pastor who aided Baptist missionaries says they're no kidnappers
We figured out awhile back who that Sainvil guy is. From the article:
"They met on the Dominican border one week ago. Gwinnett pastor Jean Sainvil, loaded with supplies for Haitian earthquake victims, needed a ride.
The 10 Americans, most of them members of an Idaho Baptist church, were headed into Haiti hoping to bring children back to their Dominican orphanage. Sainvil, a native Haitian, became their guide, directing them to Delmas, where has contacts. Before long the bus was filled with 33 children ages 2-12 -- some orphans, some handed over by their parents, Sainvil, pastor of the Gospel Assembly Church, told the AJC."
And, after seeing Jim Allen in two interviews, I vote D as D.
We figured out awhile back who that Sainvil guy is. From the article:
"They met on the Dominican border one week ago. Gwinnett pastor Jean Sainvil, loaded with supplies for Haitian earthquake victims, needed a ride.
The 10 Americans, most of them members of an Idaho Baptist church, were headed into Haiti hoping to bring children back to their Dominican orphanage. Sainvil, a native Haitian, became their guide, directing them to Delmas, where has contacts. Before long the bus was filled with 33 children ages 2-12 -- some orphans, some handed over by their parents, Sainvil, pastor of the Gospel Assembly Church, told the AJC."
And, after seeing Jim Allen in two interviews, I vote D as D.
Oh, yes we have heard from the Georgia guy, haven't we? Originally, he was identified by Silsby (or poor reporting) to be a Pastor Jean Sanbil. I find it interesting that Silsby led everyone to believe that this man was active in Haiti with charity work. At some point, he showed back up in Georgia siting illness.
I'm still sitting here pondering just why and how Silsby successfully convinced all these church members to accompany her to Haiti. I find it almost unbelievable that not one of them knew of the animosity between the two countries--the DR and Haiti--and that the DR does not, even in the best of times, open their border to large groups of Haitian children.
What's wrong with the old "If we build it, they will come" adage. Why do a massive baby "scoop" and then run around trying to find a place to put the children? As if there wouldn't still be a need in 3 months or 3 years. If they had merely gotten about the important work of building a true children's home in the correct fashion (even with new vigor after the quake), I would be impressed. And imagine the truly helpful work ten strong people could have done on the ground in Port au Prince. I'm fairly certain that some Baptist affiliated group or orphanage would have welcomed their sweat and labor. But no, they had to grab kids and run around like crazy people. What a waste of time and energy and money for everyone even remotely connected.
I'd love to hear what the powers to be--the Haitian, US, and DR governments--actually think of this caper. Are these eight players going to be appropriately reprimanded in their communities and churches for some awfully poor choices? Will they get support from their churches if they are required to return to Haiti to answer charges?
I'm still sitting here pondering just why and how Silsby successfully convinced all these church members to accompany her to Haiti. I find it almost unbelievable that not one of them knew of the animosity between the two countries--the DR and Haiti--and that the DR does not, even in the best of times, open their border to large groups of Haitian children.
What's wrong with the old "If we build it, they will come" adage. Why do a massive baby "scoop" and then run around trying to find a place to put the children? As if there wouldn't still be a need in 3 months or 3 years. If they had merely gotten about the important work of building a true children's home in the correct fashion (even with new vigor after the quake), I would be impressed. And imagine the truly helpful work ten strong people could have done on the ground in Port au Prince. I'm fairly certain that some Baptist affiliated group or orphanage would have welcomed their sweat and labor. But no, they had to grab kids and run around like crazy people. What a waste of time and energy and money for everyone even remotely connected.
I'd love to hear what the powers to be--the Haitian, US, and DR governments--actually think of this caper. Are these eight players going to be appropriately reprimanded in their communities and churches for some awfully poor choices? Will they get support from their churches if they are required to return to Haiti to answer charges?
I was checking back on any articles which listed Pastor Jean "Sanbil" and I found this:
http://blackchristiannews.com/news/...ti-and-charged-with-trafficking-children.html
"Silsby said the group, including members from Texas and Kansas, only had the best of intentions and paid no money for the children, whom she said they obtained from well-known Haitian pastor Jean Sanbil of the Sharing Jesus Ministries.
So, what ever happened to the Sharing Jesus Ministries? I can find photos of Pastor Jean Sanvil but it's interesting as his church in Georgia seems to named differently in several places.
I also found this interview with the pastor:
http://video.ap.org/?f=1160152&pid=YcoXxlQoF_OsslTzszukobvvpM1a1TEw
If the above link does not work, try going to the following link and clicking on the phrase "this video of the good pastor":
http://leftistmoon.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/pastor-jean-sainvil-keyser-soze/
I like the fact that the pastor says quite emphatically that they got the phone numbers of each child's surviving parent. Phone number.....in Haiti, right now? Did they give the parents prepaid cell phones? He also talks about how they will assist each parent in getting a passport if they'd like to visit their child.
Man, they were generous with those parents!!
http://blackchristiannews.com/news/...ti-and-charged-with-trafficking-children.html
"Silsby said the group, including members from Texas and Kansas, only had the best of intentions and paid no money for the children, whom she said they obtained from well-known Haitian pastor Jean Sanbil of the Sharing Jesus Ministries.
So, what ever happened to the Sharing Jesus Ministries? I can find photos of Pastor Jean Sanvil but it's interesting as his church in Georgia seems to named differently in several places.
I also found this interview with the pastor:
http://video.ap.org/?f=1160152&pid=YcoXxlQoF_OsslTzszukobvvpM1a1TEw
If the above link does not work, try going to the following link and clicking on the phrase "this video of the good pastor":
http://leftistmoon.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/pastor-jean-sainvil-keyser-soze/
I like the fact that the pastor says quite emphatically that they got the phone numbers of each child's surviving parent. Phone number.....in Haiti, right now? Did they give the parents prepaid cell phones? He also talks about how they will assist each parent in getting a passport if they'd like to visit their child.
Man, they were generous with those parents!!
The link provided by the leftistmoon site provides another link for "Sainvil" aka Keyser Söze(???) from 2007:
http://www.fitchburgpride.com/news/2007-09-07/Your_City/A_long_way_to_a_new_home.html
"Sainvil left Haiti in 1992, because he held a government position and things were getting "really bad," including a coup of the newly elected president. Fighting to retain his freedom, Sainvil came to the United States at the age of 24, speaking limited English."
and
"Sainvil moved to Gardner and has worked for Claremont Flock Corporation in Leominster for the past 11 years. He also is attending Mount Wachusett Community College, working on a degree in business management.
Now that he is a citizen, he is excited he will have the right to vote, and the rights to what is going on in the country."
He visits Haiti twice a year, where his family still lives, and just returned from a trip home earlier this month."
I'm not seeing where the man went to theology school. Am I missing something? Notice he says he goes back to Haiti to visit family. I don't see how this morphs in to a well known Haitian pastor. What's with the aka?
Isn't it interesting that Judge Sainvil has the same last name as the judge in this case. I know it's a common name but just Hmmmm. I hope Judge Sainvil (who has been in the judicial system for quite some time) plans to return from the DR today.
http://www.fitchburgpride.com/news/2007-09-07/Your_City/A_long_way_to_a_new_home.html
"Sainvil left Haiti in 1992, because he held a government position and things were getting "really bad," including a coup of the newly elected president. Fighting to retain his freedom, Sainvil came to the United States at the age of 24, speaking limited English."
and
"Sainvil moved to Gardner and has worked for Claremont Flock Corporation in Leominster for the past 11 years. He also is attending Mount Wachusett Community College, working on a degree in business management.
Now that he is a citizen, he is excited he will have the right to vote, and the rights to what is going on in the country."
He visits Haiti twice a year, where his family still lives, and just returned from a trip home earlier this month."
I'm not seeing where the man went to theology school. Am I missing something? Notice he says he goes back to Haiti to visit family. I don't see how this morphs in to a well known Haitian pastor. What's with the aka?
Isn't it interesting that Judge Sainvil has the same last name as the judge in this case. I know it's a common name but just Hmmmm. I hope Judge Sainvil (who has been in the judicial system for quite some time) plans to return from the DR today.
Why can I find no address for this church which Pastor Jean Sainvil supposedly pastors:
http://oneclick.indiatimes.com/photo/09wkgkXa8Cbg2?q=Haiti
Gospel Assembly Church
Norcross, GA
Not here, on the Gwinnett County, Georgia church directory:
http://georgia.hometownlocator.com/features/cultural,class,church,scfips,13135.cfm
In fact, the only way to find this church is through Pastor Sainvil and mention of Haiti and Silsby. So is it an actual church? There's a photo shown of the pastor in his sanctuary. Why no address?
http://oneclick.indiatimes.com/photo/09wkgkXa8Cbg2?q=Haiti
Gospel Assembly Church
Norcross, GA
Not here, on the Gwinnett County, Georgia church directory:
http://georgia.hometownlocator.com/features/cultural,class,church,scfips,13135.cfm
In fact, the only way to find this church is through Pastor Sainvil and mention of Haiti and Silsby. So is it an actual church? There's a photo shown of the pastor in his sanctuary. Why no address?
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In the Citron slum, she enlisted the help of Pastor Jean Sainvil, an Atlanta-Georgia-based Haitian minister who rounded up the 13 children there.
Sainvil had been a frequent visitor to the neighborhood of unpaved streets and simple cement homes even before more than half of the houses collapsed in the quake.
"The pastor said that with all the bodies decomposing in the rubble there were going to be epidemics, and the kids were going to get sick," said Regilus Chesnel, a 39-year-old stone mason.
Chesnel's wife, 33-year-old Bertho Magonie, said that her husband persuaded her to give away their own children - ages 12, 7, 3, and 1 - and a 10-year-old nephew living with them because their house had collapsed and the kids were sick.
"They were vomiting. They had fevers, diarrhea and headaches," she said, leaning against the wall of the grimy two-room hovel the couple shares.
In a telephone interview from the United States on Saturday, Sainvil said it was true that a collapsed building near where the children lived held six or seven corpses.
He said that he first met Silsby on Jan. 27 in the town of Ouanaminthe on the Haiti-Dominican border and agreed to help her collect children for a 150-bed orphanage the Americans were establishing near the beach resort of Cabarete in the neighboring Dominican Republic.
Sainvil, a former orphan who says his nondenominational Haiti Sharing Jesus Ministry has 25 churches in the countryside, said the two agreed to meet again in Port-au-Prince on Feb. 13 to get more children.
The day after he met Silsby, Sainvil collected the 13 children from Citron. A day after that, the missionaries' bus was halted at the Dominican border and they were arrested. Sainvil, meanwhile, became sick with vomiting and diarrhea and decided to fly back to the U.S. on a military transport plane, he said.
He denied he left because he feared he might get arrested.
more here
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CB_HAITI_DETAINED_AMERICANS?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=HOME
Poor kids - instead of helping them, they prolonged getting them relief for their illnesses....what a risk - especially for a 1yo that could have dehydrated very quickly and died on their watch.
In the Citron slum, she enlisted the help of Pastor Jean Sainvil, an Atlanta-Georgia-based Haitian minister who rounded up the 13 children there.
Sainvil had been a frequent visitor to the neighborhood of unpaved streets and simple cement homes even before more than half of the houses collapsed in the quake.
"The pastor said that with all the bodies decomposing in the rubble there were going to be epidemics, and the kids were going to get sick," said Regilus Chesnel, a 39-year-old stone mason.
Chesnel's wife, 33-year-old Bertho Magonie, said that her husband persuaded her to give away their own children - ages 12, 7, 3, and 1 - and a 10-year-old nephew living with them because their house had collapsed and the kids were sick.
"They were vomiting. They had fevers, diarrhea and headaches," she said, leaning against the wall of the grimy two-room hovel the couple shares.
In a telephone interview from the United States on Saturday, Sainvil said it was true that a collapsed building near where the children lived held six or seven corpses.
He said that he first met Silsby on Jan. 27 in the town of Ouanaminthe on the Haiti-Dominican border and agreed to help her collect children for a 150-bed orphanage the Americans were establishing near the beach resort of Cabarete in the neighboring Dominican Republic.
Sainvil, a former orphan who says his nondenominational Haiti Sharing Jesus Ministry has 25 churches in the countryside, said the two agreed to meet again in Port-au-Prince on Feb. 13 to get more children.
The day after he met Silsby, Sainvil collected the 13 children from Citron. A day after that, the missionaries' bus was halted at the Dominican border and they were arrested. Sainvil, meanwhile, became sick with vomiting and diarrhea and decided to fly back to the U.S. on a military transport plane, he said.
He denied he left because he feared he might get arrested.
more here
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CB_HAITI_DETAINED_AMERICANS?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=HOME
Poor kids - instead of helping them, they prolonged getting them relief for their illnesses....what a risk - especially for a 1yo that could have dehydrated very quickly and died on their watch.
Let's really look at this statement again:
"Silsby said the group, including members from Texas and Kansas, only had the best of intentions and paid no money for the children, whom she said they obtained from well-known Haitian pastor Jean Sanbil of the Sharing Jesus Ministries."
Silsby is reported here to have said that she "obtained" the children from Pastor Sanbil/Sanvil/Sainvil. Where does the rushed soccer field community meeting come in? Did Pastor Sainvil arrange that? What about this story:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/localnews/story/1067261.html
"It all began last week when a local orphanage worker, fluent in English and acting on behalf of the Baptists, convened nearly the entire village of 500 people on a dirt soccer field to present the Americans' offer.
Isaac Adrien, 20, told his neighbors the missionaries would educate their children in the neighboring Dominican Republic, the villagers said, adding that they were assured they would be free to visit their children there. Many parents jumped at the offer."
So is Isaac Adrien, the English speaking orphanage worker, a go-between for Silsby and Pastor Sainvil? If she "obtained" the children from Sainvil, I'd like to understand that process a bit better.
And where might we find Isaac Adrien? Can he weigh in on this confusing scenario?
Are you all starting to think that people like Silsby, Sainvil, Hidalgo, Chenvert, and Puello are the reason we take an oath to "tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth"? Liars are slippery and try as we might we won't be able to pin down the whole truth.
"Silsby said the group, including members from Texas and Kansas, only had the best of intentions and paid no money for the children, whom she said they obtained from well-known Haitian pastor Jean Sanbil of the Sharing Jesus Ministries."
Silsby is reported here to have said that she "obtained" the children from Pastor Sanbil/Sanvil/Sainvil. Where does the rushed soccer field community meeting come in? Did Pastor Sainvil arrange that? What about this story:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/localnews/story/1067261.html
"It all began last week when a local orphanage worker, fluent in English and acting on behalf of the Baptists, convened nearly the entire village of 500 people on a dirt soccer field to present the Americans' offer.
Isaac Adrien, 20, told his neighbors the missionaries would educate their children in the neighboring Dominican Republic, the villagers said, adding that they were assured they would be free to visit their children there. Many parents jumped at the offer."
So is Isaac Adrien, the English speaking orphanage worker, a go-between for Silsby and Pastor Sainvil? If she "obtained" the children from Sainvil, I'd like to understand that process a bit better.
And where might we find Isaac Adrien? Can he weigh in on this confusing scenario?
Are you all starting to think that people like Silsby, Sainvil, Hidalgo, Chenvert, and Puello are the reason we take an oath to "tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth"? Liars are slippery and try as we might we won't be able to pin down the whole truth.
Texas Mist--That article is heart-wrenching. The Baptists could have done so much good in three weeks but they created far more upheaval in these people's lives. I'd be catatonic and ripping my clothes if someone had stolen my babies.
i.b.nora--ITA, that the Sainvil mentioned in that one article is most probably not our guy but did you look at the video interview and comments on that page:
http://leftistmoon.wordpress.com/201...l-keyser-soze/
If Sainvil is a real pastor or even a lay pastor, where is his church that keeps being mentioned? Why are there photos of him at his church if there's no listing for a church of that name and no listing for a pastor by that name in Georgie---unless you link him to Silsby.
I'm not buying that he flew out of Haiti due to illness. If you visit in the countryside of Haiti, even during good times, illness can strike. This man has surely dealt with these symptoms before. Personally, I think he was getting out of Dodge, much like Hidalgo, Puello, and the Chenverts. If there's been no wrong-doing, why can't they step forward and answer questions?
i.b.nora--ITA, that the Sainvil mentioned in that one article is most probably not our guy but did you look at the video interview and comments on that page:
http://leftistmoon.wordpress.com/201...l-keyser-soze/
If Sainvil is a real pastor or even a lay pastor, where is his church that keeps being mentioned? Why are there photos of him at his church if there's no listing for a church of that name and no listing for a pastor by that name in Georgie---unless you link him to Silsby.
I'm not buying that he flew out of Haiti due to illness. If you visit in the countryside of Haiti, even during good times, illness can strike. This man has surely dealt with these symptoms before. Personally, I think he was getting out of Dodge, much like Hidalgo, Puello, and the Chenverts. If there's been no wrong-doing, why can't they step forward and answer questions?
I guess Puello's taking calls again:
http://www.dr1.com/forums/haiti-earthquake/100199-who-can-stop-tragedy-32.html
"Jorge Torres Puello appears to have turned his phone back on & given an exclusive telephone interview to Diario El Mundo yesterday which appears in today's paper:
Jorge Torres Puello: “Estoy dispuesto a entregarme a El Salvador”
Posted by "pedrochemical" 2/20 in the evening.
There's also mention of $30,000 which Puello "ripped off" from Coulter and Silsby. Who would have fronted that money? Are these lost funds we've already discussed? Or something additional?
The link to the article, written today, and even a photo:
http://www.elmundo.com.sv/entrevista/torres.swf
http://www.dr1.com/forums/haiti-earthquake/100199-who-can-stop-tragedy-32.html
"Jorge Torres Puello appears to have turned his phone back on & given an exclusive telephone interview to Diario El Mundo yesterday which appears in today's paper:
Jorge Torres Puello: “Estoy dispuesto a entregarme a El Salvador”
Posted by "pedrochemical" 2/20 in the evening.
There's also mention of $30,000 which Puello "ripped off" from Coulter and Silsby. Who would have fronted that money? Are these lost funds we've already discussed? Or something additional?
The link to the article, written today, and even a photo:
http://www.elmundo.com.sv/entrevista/torres.swf