My Thought Process is driving me crazy.
I keep repeating the same questions over and over in my head and I wonder how many others are doing the same. So, I thought I might list my questions and either get some answers or maybe create some new thoughts for others to consider. Besides the obvious "what happened to Lauren?" - In no certain order - Here's my list.
1. What was the condition Lauren's and Jesse Wolff's relationship? (why were they not together the night Lauren disappeared?)
2. What are the details on everybody's prior arrests?
3. Why was Corey Rossman Banned from Smallwood?
4. What was Zach Oake's connection to Jesse Wolff?
5. Did Police get everbody's phone records from that night?
6. Who all was present during the altercation at Smallwood?
7. Do video's show anyone following Corey and Lauren as they left after the altercation?
8. Were any of the known cameras and locations NOT working properly?
9. Were there any camera's which recorded Corey and Lauren's attempt to stop by Zoe Camp's apartment at ~3:00 am?
10. How credible is the "Bar Manager" that claims she saw Lauren sitting on the steps and hit her head at 3:38 am?
11. what are the details on the trip to Indy for the 500 Mile Race and overnight at the infield?
12. Where was Lauren's roommate staying - that she did not know that Lauren didn't make it home - until Jesse Called looking for her?
13. Did the Bloomington Police check into Jesse's claim that he was home on 9th street and had no Idea about Lauren's partying, the altercation or whereabouts?
14. Did the Bloomington Police confirm Rosenbaum's claims against the accounts of Beth and others staying over at Rosenbaum's apartment?
15. Did BPD confirm Rosenbaum's claim that he could see Lauren "round the corner onto college Ave?"
16. Who else was Identified on any and all the video surveillance tapes during the hours that Lauren went missing?
17. Who were Zoe Camp's Roommates and what were their statements?
18. Where - specifically - were Lauren's items found and could they have been tossed down from a window above the alley as opposed to being dropped by her?
19. How bad was Lauren's drug problem and how much was she in debt (if any at all) to any dealers (like those at 5N)?
20. Did Police search the personal computers of any or all of the POI's?
Given time, I'm sure I can come up with more but that's my first twenty.
Let's dialogue...
#1) why is it relevant? It goes without saying that bf would normally the first person to check out. thing is there is absolutely nothing to tie him to her disappearance. However it very much may have made her more vulnerable that night than usual.
#2) Good question, but realize that when people were under 18 that stuff gets sealed and/or expunged. So what is known and public over 18, is mostly traffic violations and intoxication... quite a bit of it. But none of the 3 main POI's appeared to have any significant (like rape or murder) priors. But they could easily know such people.
#3) It's buried in the early threads of discussion here... If I recall correctly it had to do with being drunk and not living there. Now what else could he have done that wouldn't have resulted in a police report? He also apparently had been in trouble for figuring out how to sneak into 10th and College.
These are just some of the small things that paint a picture of his behavior.
We know he's a snake, but he lived with MB... so 2 snakes, and JR their pal next door... 3 snakes. Now what?
#4) Like #1 why is that relevant? Even if he was a JW's heroin dealer, where is there any evidence leading to them doing anything to LS?
#5) They would be totally useless idiots if they did not. Further the FBI should have analyzed a lot of data on these people since interstate; flight, abduction, murder and body disposal are in varying degrees, possible.
#6) What I want to know is who used LS's keycard to enter SW (did CR have her keycard??? and did he give it back??) LS was there, but kept slipping down in the elevator she was already barely able to stand even against a wall. CR was there and obviously in MUCH better condition than LS. ZO and some of ZO's pals. No other people have been mentioned and details on specifically who ZO's pals were I have never seen disclosed. Another interesting aspect of this is that CR did not file battery charges against ZO. If ZO truly clocked CR so hard that it gave him this long term amnesia for that night, then why not file a police report? CR did not punch back.
The media (apparently with LE's support) immediately painted ZO some sort of hero which did not add up. A violent clocks a snake and that makes him a hero? Someone definitely needed to look into that, it remains a very curious cover up. Some have suggested that ZO is an undercover narc of sorts... or at least LE informant. Others have suggested that he's just a local spoiled rich kid non-student who claimed SW as his territory (yea for the girls) Also people who painted him as a "hero" failed to recognize that no one actually cared about LS and actually didn't check on her condition and didn't stop her from leaving. Yet it's implied that the whole altercation was about her - clearly it was not. It smelled a lot more like ZO and crew were simply pissed that CR was fishing in THEIR pond.
#7) Apparently not... if so... LE is hiding that for good reason and one that probably would have resulted in a man hunt by now. PI's saw the videos and made no such observation.
#8) Ask the defense lawyers... no one would want to know that more than them. The question is really about what does all of the working cameras show when fully analyzed (and that work may still be going on).
#9) None has been publicly reported. The camera's at 10th and College seemed to mostly point north along the front walkway of the building (there is a photo - the last good still shot of LS I think on this walkway from earlier in the day)... this camera was not positioned to capture the street or intersection nor the steps where she fell over hitting her head. Don't think I've seen a diagram that lays all of this out. BTOWN has been really good about providing such diagrams... would be nice to see a breakdown/layout of 10th and College building the exact location of Zoe's and other witnesses in relation to the stairs, the camera(s) and camera direction, and LS/CR's known footsteps through that area. It's my understanding that these stairs are a short distance from the alley where LS exited and was last recorded falling face down.
#10) huh? The 3:38 bar manager (a female) claimed she saw LS slumped over a man's shoulder. This has largely been identified as CR. However, LE said the time had to be wrong because somehow LE knows CR and LS could not have been there at 3:38. So based on that in the media it's said that LE did not give credibility to the witness. Remember at 3:30 MB is calling JR because supposedly LS is over there at 5N at CR/MB's. This creating a time conflict or exposing a LIE. Now this bar manager is not the person attributed with seeing and hearing LS fall over on the stairs hitting her head. My understanding (though I have no link) is that it was ZC and/or friends at 10th and College building that were within earshot of that event. However, it may have been yet another witness, because it's also said that ZC and friends never opened the door... so if they hear her hit her head from inside that would have been really loud!
#11) Overnight at the infield?? yes would like to know this too... it may help lay some of the groundwork on how certain POI's were involved with each other.
#12) Yeah, just what HT was up to that night should be scrutinized.
She's not smelling like roses for sure.
#13) Again, LE would be totally useless if they simply took his word...
It's more likely that a dirty cop was involved than that they didn't check JW out... this is police work 101... if they didn't do that... then there is no LE.
#14) We all want to know that... detective work 101 if they aren't doing this then again... they are useless. But... how can they properly do this without interrogations, lie detector tests, etc... many POI's left town and seemed to have never talked to LE! So it looks like 2 possibilities... they have so much evidence pointing in one direction that they don't need to do that... OR... they are so incompetent that the case will never be properly solved.
#15) The distinction between heading to the that corner and "rounding" that corner is stuff reported in the media. These are unfortunately not words known to have been directly and specifically spoken by JR. It's either his PR people doing the work of misinformation, or some approximation of what he said. To me it doesn't matter if he says she rounded the corner, approached the corner, almost made it to the corner... etc... because I am convinced he's an f-ing LIAR. I don't think she ever walked out that door. And I doubt she WALKED into 5N at 3:00 or into JR's at 3:30... If she were there at those hours it's most likely she was carried.
#16) Great question... we have to hope that detectives and FBI have done the due diligence on all of the POI's and people in videos, connected to LS and CR/MB/JR/JW, etc... That's the stuff that takes time in investigations... but surely they have checked or continue to check this stuff.
#17) yeah, get the feeling LE knows a lot more than we do? Right... they have to.
#18) Uh... well that might be possible... sure toss it out the window right where she fell... hmm. why bother? But that building would be the one on Morton between 10th and the gravel lot. That is the building where the person who initally found her stuff and picked it up lives, and his roommate then later saw it sitting on the ledge. approx time 3:00am and just after.
This being just minutes after the recording of her falling in the same location. Are you suggesting that there is collusion between someone in this building and the players at 5N? Because if someone from 10th and morton building snatched her up after the fall then tossed her stuff out the window... why would CR/MB and JR come up with their stories? they could all just say they never saw her and it would point to that building.
#19) seems mostly irrelevant, because we don't know all of what killed her and don't even have a body. If you are suggesting the motive was that she was killed over a debt, that would seem implausible to me in this sort of environment and other given factors.
#20) Well here we have it once again... is LE doing their job??
It really seems like nothing is going on doesn't it? I have to think that LE really has some solid stuff and therefore can't open up to the public. If that is not true, then yes, they would be horrible... because if they don't have a clue... by now they should be open with the public. If they didn't do things like search computers, cell phones, use cadaver dogs, etc... they are useless. But that doesn't mean we can't figure out what happened and hold those people accountable. This case really reflects poorly on the FBI too. Sure they have other priorities, but if we can't solve simple cases like this, why bother with terrorist nonsense? If you can be disappeared anywhere in the country (as seems to happen every day) and never been seen again... what good is the FBI? We are then living in hell.
Keep pushing... keep digging. never let them rest.
