Indecent Exposure Charges

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm confused now. Were they captured at the two addresses on video, on the 17th & 18th having sexual relations (sound like a former president, oops) or is it due to SM and his possible alibi of admitting to having sexual relations at those two places?

I would say LE went back and got the videos after SM told them about the locations. This way they would have the dates and the times which play critical roles in the kidnapping and murder of HRE. It doesn't give them any kind of alibi away from PTL.

LE is not going to take SM's word for anything without corroborating evidence especially when it comes to charges in court.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I'm wondering if these were places SM and Heather had spent time together. If SM had admitted this to TM, IMO, she would need to be there also.

Know what I mean? Trying to be delicate here....


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[SeriouslySearching]

I'm wondering if these were places SM and Heather had spent time together. If SM had admitted this to TM, IMO, she would need to be there also.

Know what I mean? Trying to be delicate here....


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My theory is the parking lot outside the Tilted Kilt is a yes. The other spot is a no for SM and HRE to have been, imo.

I have no reason other than it would be logical for them to be in that area after getting rid of HRE's body, but I want them to be searching north of the industrial park for her. There is a significance of that spot to SM and TM.

 

[momrids6]

Hmmm...never considered it, but you are right. She would not have gone if she had seen those immediately prior to making that decision. Interesting.

BBM

I still am not sure if those pics sent that evening/morning were actually of TM & SM

 

[LBDunes]

I'm confused now. Were they captured at the two addresses on video, on the 17th & 18th having sexual relations (sound like a former president, oops) or is it due to SM and his possible alibi of admitting to having sexual relations at those two places?

I am confused about the IE's too. Initially when the charges came out it sounded like they may have been captured on surveillance cameras. The addresses were precisely reported for both instances. Lately the talk seems to be the charges were more a result of them sending their exploits to Heather. What does everyone think or know about this?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I still am not sure if those pics sent that evening/morning were actually of TM & SM

From what we know of TM, I would bet the pics are of themselves.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I am confused about the IE's too. Initially when the charges came out it sounded like they may have been captured on surveillance cameras. The addresses were precisely reported for both instances. Lately the talk seems to be the charges were more a result of them sending their exploits to Heather. What does everyone think or know about this?

The arrest warrants are quite clear and specific about it being IE at those two locations.

Truslow said police charged the couple because they had “martial relations” in a vehicle prior to the case and it was irrelevant. But Elder said police learned the couple went to the places and had sex, *then Tammy Moorer sent photos of their sexual positions to Elvis.

The acts were a culmination of revenge toward Elvis, Elder said. “Heather was in fact fearful of Tammy during this time period.”


http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/20...imony-weaves-a-tale-of-how.html#storylink=cpy


*This statement is after the fact and Elder is only explaining why the IE charges ARE relevant to the case by showing the "culmination of revenge".

I think people are getting this confused thinking it is part of the IE and it is not.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I think my confusion comes from other opinions. I think that from one article I read it explains it better about SM telling what happened briefly. Now to find it...ima (gs lingo for I'm) in the middle of tax time right now. oy vey.

 

[stmarysmead]

Elder said during initial interviews with police, the Moorers admitted to going to different areas of the Myrtle Beach area in the early morning hours of Dec. 18 after Elvis’ disappearance to have sexual relations. Those incidents led to the indecent exposure charges.

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/arti...7a43b2370.html

Hmmm...if this article is correct, the incidents occurred in the "early morning hours." So how does that fit with the call from SM at 1:35AM? How would they drive around, send the pix, go home, and SM sneak out to make the pay phone call? The timing is pretty close. If this article is correct, I'm leaning more toward a deliberate setup by TM AND SM.

I wonder of the police know what time the Moorer car returned to the residence that night AFTER the sexting and the pay phone call? Because then they know both of them were together when SM called HE from the pay phone.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Was SM on doghouse time out from the internet too? Oh come on now...I guess he could have been. Prove it lawyers. Defense has to show me how he was cuffed, unmobilized, and restricted by boss woman & tell me why a person would submit to any of that treatment fgs. Are these two S and M folks? They sure sound kinky but it's most likely will be their alibi that will do them in, I hope. jmo

 

[CHERIE.T]

Imo no way TM was in control of SM every waking minute of the day.
Im guessing since other family lived on the compound, SM could have walked over and used a computer, housephone or cell.
I just cant concieve the nightly handcuffing. Lololol

I mean what did she say...time for bed , put your hands up? :floorlaugh:

 

[alwaysonmymind]

All of them were sleeping in the master bedroom. What reason did they give the kids about the handcuffs?


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[RoxanneRoxannaDana]

All of them were sleeping in the master bedroom. What reason did they give the kids about the handcuffs?


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The scary thing is that it was reported there were 2 rifles and a handgun in the bedroom with them. If one of the children got hold of one and Sidney couldn't intervene because he was handcuffed to the bed, that would have been another tragedy.

 

[Aynia]

Everytime I read anything about these indecent exposure charges I think about how disgustingly sick these two have to be to be turned on after murdering a young girl. :banghead:

Just MOO here,
Since the beginning of the IE story I thought that was supposed to be their alibi. Sort of, we were in these places so we can't have anything to do with HE disappearance.
Also I know LE said they sent pictures of that to Heather but is it possible that initial information came from TM / SM and there's no proof they really sent them?
I can't get my head to accept they just went to have relations right after whatever it is they did at PTL. Just for the sake of doing it, without any other reason.

 

[cdogsmom22]

Just MOO here,

Since the beginning of the IE story I thought that was supposed to be their alibi. Sort of, we were in these places so we can't have anything to do with HE disappearance.

Also I know LE said they sent pictures of that to Heather but is it possible that initial information came from TM / SM and there's no proof they really sent them?

I can't get my head to accept they just went to have relations right after whatever it is they did at PTL. Just for the sake of doing it, without any other reason.

I'm with you I don't think they sent those pics to her on that night...I think I seen a coworker post on one of the articles in the comment section that Tammy had sent Heather nasty pics she knew for a fact bc Heather had showed them to the others at work...I hope personally this is how they found out about the pics and were able to track them down!!! I hope all those girls that worked with Heather and seen everything that Tammy was doing to Heather sung like birds when questioned...I hope come trial time too that Tammy has to sit and listen to all of those coworkers tell about how Sidney liked Heather came to see her brought her coffee lunch etc and I hope the manager that stated in the Msm article that the "courting" was done by both not that Heather was chasing Sidney!!!


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[Catlady2]

I always thought the Ms went out for dinner/drinks and fooled around twice. Once around 11pm on the 17th and the other around 1am on the 18th. I think tm sent these to Heather to rile her up. Sm then calls from payphone with tm right beside him all the way. "I'm sorry. She's crazy. She's handcuffing me at night. I'm in hell and I'm leaving her tonight. Come with me. Meet me at ptl at 3. She'll be passed out by then." I think sm was willing to do this to get back to his normal wife and normal life. We see him texting his sis in law. What can I do to fix this? I'm not sure if the murder was intentional or accidental but I think sm was in agreement and lured her there for tm to get her revenge. Tm was obsessed with Heather and the affair. She could NOT get over it!
I think the indecent exposure charges will stand with sm but didn't with tm because simply put, she didn't expose herself in the pictures. In tm's disblog honeymoon pictures she didn't even post any swimsuit pictures of herself. With her increase in girth I think she was hesitant about sending an Unedited picture sent on the fly. I think she had sent them to other people including Heather prior to all of this happening but she was able to plan, edit and take 100 shots to choose the best one.

 

[Bcholmes]

It was never stated. Just between 12/17 and 12/18.

Thanks

 

[ISWMLE]

I'm glad we are discussing this. When I first read the article where the solicitor commented something to the fact that the Ms exposed themselves AFTER Heather's disappearance and admitted to it; I took it literally : after they murdered Heather. But, my comprehension was way off. The Ms just admitted to it after Heather disappeared. Hope this makes sense.

I'm with Catlady on the timing. The Ms had sex in their car late in evening on 12/17 and early before the phone call on 12/18. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it, for now.


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[intothedeep]

I always thought the Ms went out for dinner/drinks and fooled around twice. Once around 11pm on the 17th and the other around 1am on the 18th. I think tm sent these to Heather to rile her up. Sm then calls from payphone with tm right beside him all the way. "I'm sorry. She's crazy. She's handcuffing me at night. I'm in hell and I'm leaving her tonight. Come with me. Meet me at ptl at 3. She'll be passed out by then." I think sm was willing to do this to get back to his normal wife and normal life. We see him texting his sis in law. What can I do to fix this? I'm not sure if the murder was intentional or accidental but I think sm was in agreement and lured her there for tm to get her revenge. Tm was obsessed with Heather and the affair. She could NOT get over it!
I think the indecent exposure charges will stand with sm but didn't with tm because simply put, she didn't expose herself in the pictures. In tm's disblog honeymoon pictures she didn't even post any swimsuit pictures of herself. With her increase in girth I think she was hesitant about sending an Unedited picture sent on the fly. I think she had sent them to other people including Heather prior to all of this happening but she was able to plan, edit and take 100 shots to choose the best one.

It was stated earlier that the first IE charge was the one off 501 near the industrial park area. The second IE charge was Broadway at the Beach. The business office address was listed so I think everyone's assuming parking lot video.

If IE #1 is dated Dec 17th and IE #2 is dated Dec 18th, I'd say Catlady is correct. Pre-midnight for first one and the second between 12:00am and 1:15am.

The pay phone call from 10th Avenue at 1:35am would jibe with a stop on the way back from a "just completed encounter" at Broadway.

The part of this that doesn't make sense to me is the pay phone.
Unless the M's had two vehicles at Broadway at the Beach, they would've still been together at 1:35am. It seems highly unlikely SM could've had relations with TM on 21st Avenue between 12:00 and 1:00am, then taken TM home and gotten back out to use the pay phone on 10th Avenue at 1:35am. Why go all the way back to 10th Avenue from Socastee?

The M's clearly did not plan on SM being videotaped and connected to Heather's phone during the 1:35am call (at least Sidney didn't), so there would've been no strategic reason for TM to stay in the car during the pay phone call.

I simply cannot imagine any scenario in which SM would've been allowed to use a pay phone to call Heather as part of a premeditated murder plot and TM wouldn't have been there to hear every syllable uttered. TM clearly enjoyed her harassment of Heather. I just don't think she would've missed out on such a crucial part of the plan. Not to mention her controlling personality. I think she would've been there to make sure SM "got it right."

If LE had TM on video at 10th Avenue, wouldn't that have come out by now? If the 1:35am call was designed to cast the hook to later lure Heather to PTL, where was TM during the call?

Does ANYONE here believe SM would've been allowed to call Heather for ANY reason without TM listening in?

 

[intothedeep]

And not to get too graphic, but I think it's possible TM could've snapped quick pics and sent them without editing on December 17th and 18th (Not saying she did, just that I think the editing issue could've been worked around). She could've taken a pic of SM's "TAMMY" tattoo from a POV angle while showing very little of her own anatomy. It could've still been graphic enough to define the act and specifically that it was being performed by SM, which would've been the main point, I think.

LE stated "positions" plural in one of the statements and I've never heard/ seen anything official using the word "sex" in reference to both encounters. This leads me to believe these were different types of encounters.

I think a similarly angled photo could've been taken showing SM's face without revealing much of TM. Graphic enough to reveal the act being performed without too much exposure for TM.

For me, the only relevance of the specifics pertains to the editing issue- whether TM could've gotten around the vanity issue and sent pics of encounters from that very evening, whether that would've been communicated or implied to Heather, and how that might've affected Heather's thought process on December 18th.

SM could've still claimed ignorance to Heather about the pornographic texts. He could've claimed the pictures were old and TM sent them in anger over his leaving.

I'm just not understanding how sending pictures of this nature was part of any plot to convince Heather that SM was leaving TM. If they weren't part of a plot, does that mean the premeditation didn't begin in earnest until sometime after the 1:35am call?