John and Patsy's thoughts

[JaneInOz]

right,they were friends of the R's,and according to them,the last ppl to see JB alive on Christmas night.(Yet,the R's didn't bother to call them the next morning,to confirm that with LE).The R's said they dropped a gift basket off at their house on the way home,and SS says that was the last time she saw them as an intact family.(Yet they claim JB was asleep in the car..then how did she see the all together then??).Her comment doesn't add up...sounds like they all went in and stayed awhile,to me.Which makes sense that they would have wanted to see them,since they were all good friends,and the R's left the White's fairly early,according to FW.(although they claim they left later then what he said).Or maybe even the S's came over to their house after they returned form the White's?? It is also possible the S's son came home w them,perhaps planning on going w them on the trip the next day.
I've wondered if something happened there,but then the pineapple doesn't add up to that.
SS is the one who answered the intercom at the R's party on the 23rd,*without ever opening the door to LE,when the suspicious 911 hang-up call came from the R's...the same night JB was found crying on the stairs and saying she 'didn't feel pretty'.Sounds to me like SS knew something was amiss.

Ok so the people Next door were the W's right ?
So where did the S's live

I am very confused about the S's - It think i better go try and google this part because somehow Ive got lost.

Maybe thats why I got confused in a different thread when I spoke of the W's because I got the *friends* confused with these people the S's

*oh boy* !!

 

[JMO8778]

Ok so the people Next door were the W's right ?
So where did the S's live

I am very confused about the S's - It think i better go try and google this part because somehow Ive got lost.

Maybe thats why I got confused in a different thread when I spoke of the W's because I got the *friends* confused with these people the S's

*oh boy* !!

..neither the White's nor the Stines were next-door neighbors,both families were friends of theirs,and both lived within a few miles of their house.
The White's were the ones who had a dinner party on Christmas afternoon that the R's attended with both their kids.JB is thought by LE to have been killed sometime after arriving home and having a pineapple snack,which was probably served by Patsy,as her prints on the bowl indicate.(JB probably hadn't had much to eat at the party,as if an intruder would know that?!)
The R's had a party at their house on the 23rd;some ppl get those two confused.This is the one where the 911 hang-up call was made,JB was found crying and saying she didn't feel pretty,and Susan Stine sent LE away via intercom,without opening the door, after they arrived in response to the call.

 

[JaneInOz]

So at the Stines house a 911 call was made on the 23rd ? so Two days Before JBR was murdered ?
Where was JBR found *crying* ? at the Stines ?
Who made the 911 Call ?
And why did they make it ? because JBR was crying ?

JBR Said "I don't feel pretty" ???

Question

If someone was molesting her that day, was she murdered to *shut her up* because she was going to tell that someone was molesting her ?

Was the Semen present at the time of the murder of JBR from being molested previously ?

I'm not 100 % of the timing but I DO know that semen can *leak* out for some time after sex (talking consensual loving adult sex here ! sorry if TMI but its true and something to consider)

Of course I could be way offfff with timing...

 

[JMO8778]

So at the Stines house a 911 call was made on the 23rd ? so Two days Before JBR was murdered ?
Where was JBR found *crying* ? at the Stines ?
Who made the 911 Call ?
And why did they make it ? because JBR was crying ?

JBR Said "I don't feel pretty" ???

Question

If someone was molesting her that day, was she murdered to *shut her up* because she was going to tell that someone was molesting her ?

Was the Semen present at the time of the murder of JBR from being molested previously ?

I'm not 100 % of the timing but I DO know that semen can *leak* out for some time after sex (talking consensual loving adult sex here ! sorry if TMI but its true and something to consider)

Of course I could be way offfff with timing...

no,the R's had a party on the 23rd at their house..someone called 911 and hung up,no one knows why...nothing was said.JB was found by a guest on the stairs,crying and saying she didn't feel pretty.
My opinion on that is someone at the party was molesting JB..and got caught.That person was told to STOP,or else 911 would be called..and for some reason,it did actually go through...perhaps the caller didn't hang up on time,when they meant to.
The thing about that is..Susan Stine answered LE via intercom when they showed up...SO IMO,she was asked to do this..and so she also knew something was amiss,and was covering for the R's at that time.She apparently did not want to open the door...
That she was murdered due to molestation is a theory many RDI's take into consideration.
Supposedly no semen was found on her,but I was just reading on Ruthee's site where she thought there might have been some residual found.Ruthee has since died,and I don't think she ever got back to that before she passed.

here's a pic on ruthee's site of the Stines and the R's at their vacation home in MI,taken a few months after the murder,I believe...they sure do look pretty happy,don't they...like they all got away with something..(scroll down)

http://ruthees_library.tripod.com/shotgun.html

 

[JaneInOz]

Hey JMO8778..thanks for the info. Yes I remember now the party.
I still didnt know about the "i dont feel pretty" part I must have missed that somehow

OH God. When you see a *Real* photo like that it really makes your skin crawl.

I look at them and that is what happens. That is a REAL photo not a PRESS Photo or a camera/tv media pic but a real one

I look at the four of them and I look at JBR Dead and I feel sick. My skin crawls.

If either of those men were molesting JBR and PR or SS knew it - how the hell do they live with themselves (well PR is Dead so she doesnt count NOW but back then in that pic even)

That pic makes me even sadder

 

[JMO8778]

Hey JMO8778..thanks for the info. Yes I remember now the party.
I still didnt know about the "i dont feel pretty" part I must have missed that somehow

OH God. When you see a *Real* photo like that it really makes your skin crawl.

I look at them and that is what happens. That is a REAL photo not a PRESS Photo or a camera/tv media pic but a real one

I look at the four of them and I look at JBR Dead and I feel sick. My skin crawls.

If either of those men were molesting JBR and PR or SS knew it - how the hell do they live with themselves (well PR is Dead so she doesnt count NOW but back then in that pic even)

That pic makes me even sadder

me too,and Patsy even admits they were caught off-guard when it was taken (from their book DOI),and so she made up a cover story,IMO: "Whoever was sneaking around out there with his zoom lens was just twenty minutes too late!"

Opps! well,someone sure caught their natural demeanor at the time,and it was not one of grief nor worry.

 

[JMO8778]

Hey JMO8778..thanks for the info. Yes I remember now the party.
I still didnt know about the "i dont feel pretty" part I must have missed that somehow

OH God. When you see a *Real* photo like that it really makes your skin crawl.

I look at them and that is what happens. That is a REAL photo not a PRESS Photo or a camera/tv media pic but a real one

I look at the four of them and I look at JBR Dead and I feel sick. My skin crawls.

If either of those men were molesting JBR and PR or SS knew it - how the hell do they live with themselves (well PR is Dead so she doesnt count NOW but back then in that pic even)

That pic makes me even sadder

the part about JB crying is in Steve Thomas's book Jonbenet,if you haven't read it.I really recommend reading it.He was the leading detective on the case.He quit LE to be able to tell the truth about what happened.(see forstevethomas.com).
I don't know of anyone who thinks SS's husb. was molesting JB;the evidence seems to point in the direction of the R's.But the S's behavior indicates they know a lot more than they are telling,IMO.SS wasn't even afraid of driving her son and Burke to school alone and without escort,after the murder.Some IDI's have tried to make a feeble attempt to explain that away by saying SS was well-known as being Patsy's 'pit bull'.Umm...ok...try this one:

Pitbull vs. Small Foreign Faction

..obviously, there was no SFF.

How do they live with themselves...I see all of them..the S's and the R's, as being very arrogant and self-centered.Children apparently don't count in their book,and their behavior before and after JB's death indicates that.

 

[DeeDee249]

Steve Thomas' book is an excellent way to familiarize yourself with many details of the case, Jane. It is a quick read, and it will fill in a lot of blanks for you. It's available in paperback now, on whatever website you like for books. I got mine on BarnesandNobel.com. They also sell used copies for just a few dollars.
If you go to http://www.acandyrose.com, there is a section listing all the books that have been written. I've read most of them, but if I had to choose just one, I'd choose Steve Thomas' "JonBenet and the City of Boulder".

 

[BBB167893]

Question

If someone was molesting her that day, was she murdered to *shut her up* because she was going to tell that someone was molesting her ?

Maybe she did tell someone...the WRONG someone!

Was the Semen present at the time of the murder of JBR from being molested previously ?

There was no semen at the time of the murder except on a blanket John Andrew had used.

I'm not 100 % of the timing but I DO know that semen can *leak* out for some time after sex (talking consensual loving adult sex here ! sorry if TMI but its true and something to consider)

Of course I could be way offfff with timing...

I did NOT need that image.

 

[JaneInOz]

Maybe she did tell someone...the WRONG someone!



There was no semen at the time of the murder except on a blanket John Andrew had used.



I did NOT need that image.

Oh I thought there was some on her panties ?

And oh Sorry about that SuperDave

 

[Tadpole12]

here's a pic on ruthee's site of the Stines and the R's at their vacation home in MI,taken a few months after the murder,I believe...they sure do look pretty happy,don't they...like they all got away with something..(scroll down)

http://ruthees_library.tripod.com/shotgun.html

Hugh?

JMO, that's a very interesting link!

The Ramsy's were 'gun people' and PR got a gun sense of humour, that is the oddest PR quote:


"Susan Stine and John had been out on the deck, joking about setting up a machine-gun turret to pick off the paparazzi if the crawled through our bushes. It was always good to laugh at our problems when we could. Stored in the house was a collector's 12 gage shotgun that my dad had given John; we had never fired it. Jokingly, John brought the gun out on the deck and was standing there, playfully aiming it toward the water. Susan had said she needed a gun, so John gave her one!" "However, he quickly put the gun away, realizing that photographers might be lurking somewhere within camera range. If the tabloids had gotten a picture of John with that shotgun, to telling what kind of headline and accompanying story they would have run. Whoever was sneaking around out there with his zoom lens was just twenty minutes too late!"

Well, it's not beyond belief that the R's could have owned a stun gun.

 

[BBB167893]

Oh I thought there was some on her panties ?

And oh Sorry about that SuperDave

No, but that's a common mistake.

Normally, I wouldn't mind so much. But it's that time of year again...