GUILTY LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 5 June 2012 - #2

[katydid23]

I was a cocktail waitress [and a bartender later], in a very busy disco in the 70's and 80's. We routinely had the bouncers walk us to our cars after work. And we did not use our real names with our customers, because too many of them became stalkers because of the way we had to flirt and dance around to increase our drink sales and tips. I chose this job because I was young and single and enjoyed it for that time of my life. And I made good money. But there were obvious risks.

Two of my co-workers went on to become dancers/strippers. I went and visited their club, which was out by LAX. In my opinion, it seemed way more sketchy and dangerous than I had thought it would be. But they made a lot more $ than I did each night.

For anyone who questions if it is dangerous, just look at what happens after work. You need an armed bouncer to walk you to your car, and they try to convince you to have a male pick you up instead of you driving home alone, just in case you are followed. You are not to use your real name nor tell anyone what town you live in. And you can be fired if you meet up with customers in real life. Those things tell me that it is a dangerous profession.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN ANYONE IS ASKING FOR IT, so please do not put words in my mouth. I am just saying that we have to look at the customers and co-workers, because of the working situation. Men tend to stalk women who do lap dances for them. Sadly, that is the way it is, imo. No judgment intended, just reality.

 

[katydid23]

If you and your cohort want to discuss the morality of various lifestyles, then by all means start another thread on another part of this forum. This thread however is for discussing and attempting to identify and find the perp(s).

If we are serious about trying to find the perp, then we do have to discuss her job. I think that is the main place to start looking. JMO

 

[katydid23]

I see what you mean and I agree to certain point. If the past years of following DV murders has taught me anything is that no one has claims to safety/risk. I bet you, and you will agree, that Laci Peterson, Lori Hacking, Michelle Parker (who I presume to be dead) had no reason to suspect the worst kind of offender would see them take their last breath: their husbands, their fiances.

Psychopaths are psychopaths. Whether I am an adult entertainer or a tenured Material Science professor, if I am in their way (i.e. Peterson) or if I become the 'object' of their obsession (Bundy), I am effed.

True. But if you are in a job like a cocktail waitress, or a *advertiser censored* star or an actress, or a pop star, OR an exotic dancer, then your chances of becoming the object of some perp's obsession is greatly heightened, imo.

I am not judging her, as I made similar decisions at her age. But we cannot ignore the obvious either. There are lots of potential suspects when you are a dancer or cocktail waitress or lounge singer.

 

[MissieMt]

This post is intended for Old Steve. Those with sensitive hearts, thin skin, easily offended or otherwise hostile, please feel free to skip this post. I am not here to argue, this has gotten SO UGLY. I put all adult entertainers in 1 large group be they strippers, prostitutes, escorts, *advertiser censored* industry, etc. IF you WANT me to, I will list all names of killers (serial killers and otherwise) who made a career out of targeting women in this group. I spent a very long time studying them. There are enormous statistics. I will admit that MANY of these women are never reported missing nor ever found, so the information on their killers is unavailable. Old Steve, if you want me to gather these stats and names I will do that. It is exhausting, and the information can be obtained by anyone willing to take the time to look into it, but I will post it here, if you ask me to.

Are there stats for housewives killed? College students? Children? Blondes? I'm sure there are. Knock yourself out looking, and then we can compare notes.

Would you be comfortable just sharing links to these statistics? We could use your research as a starting point to see if maybe you're on to something here. It would be silly for all of us to have to do the research individually if you already have it. I wish I had the time to research it myself, but I wouldn't be able to do it now-way too many irons in the fire.

 

[SilkySifaka]

If we are serious about trying to find the perp, then we do have to discuss her job. I think that is the main place to start looking. JMO

Well I agree there, I just don't think it has to be discussed in a negative way implying the victim is partially responsible for her own murder.

I see it the same way as discussing a teachers murder, perhaps it was a student or co worker. Here perhaps it was a client, either one from the club that she knew or one who became obsessed with her from afar.

That she was seen last with a woman and man makes me think she would have been comfortable going with them, who thinks women are murderous in that situation. Except those of us who follow these cases.

It is very possible a lap dance client wanted to meet privately but suggested he and his wife meet with her (that is not uncommon). If it was a regular client who just wanted private time with her, there is nothing to set off her radar.

Now if it is someone she just met that night then it will be much harder to find them so I hope it was a regular customer.

 

[missgulfsouth]

Would you be comfortable just sharing links to these statistics? We could use your research as a starting point to see if maybe you're on to something here. It would be silly for all of us to have to do the research individually if you already have it. I wish I had the time to research it myself, but I wouldn't be able to do it now-way too many irons in the fire.

There is no possible way to include it all here.

 

[SilkySifaka]

Another thing, most dancers are street smart and can pick up on the creeps, so this guy must appear normal and not have any overt behavior at the club beyond the regular enjoyment of the dancers.

I can't see her willingly going with one of the ones who can't keep their hands to themselves or who are full of beyond creepizoid leers. Just as a woman visiting one of the dancers as a friend when she was in a club near me, i could pick out the nasty ones. My friend said they were normally the worst tippers too. I don't know how to describe it properly, most of the men are into it and having fun but some just give off weird vibes that make you think they are off somehow.

 

[katydid23]

Well I agree there, I just don't think it has to be discussed in a negative way implying the victim is partially responsible for her own murder.

I see it the same way as discussing a teachers murder, perhaps it was a student or co worker. Here perhaps it was a client, either one from the club that she knew or one who became obsessed with her from afar.

That she was seen last with a woman and man makes me think she would have been comfortable going with them, who thinks women are murderous in that situation. Except those of us who follow these cases.

It is very possible a lap dance client wanted to meet privately but suggested he and his wife meet with her (that is not uncommon). If it was a regular client who just wanted private time with her, there is nothing to set off her radar.

Now if it is someone she just met that night then it will be much harder to find them so I hope it was a regular customer.

BBM

I didn't see anyone making that inference. I did not personally say anything negative about Jaren. My heart goes out to her and her family. I think people are being extra sensitive about her profession, so if anyone brings it up, it automatically means she is being attacked or put down. And as I have said a million times, I worked a similar job when I was her age, so I am making no negative judgments. But we cannot pretend that there are no weird customers who might have wanted to follow her home. No matter what job that a beautiful young woman has, waitress, teacher, librarian, there are going to be despicable perps lurking around. But if you dance in a strip club, those perps are multiplied a bit. jmo And it does not mean she deserved it, I will say once again,just in case.

 

[katydid23]

Another thing, most dancers are street smart and can pick up on the creeps, so this guy must appear normal and not have any overt behavior at the club beyond the regular enjoyment of the dancers.

I can't see her willingly going with one of the ones who can't keep their hands to themselves or who are full of beyond creepizoid leers. Just as a woman visiting one of the dancers as a friend when she was in a club near me, i could pick out the nasty ones. My friend said they were normally the worst tippers too. I don't know how to describe it properly, most of the men are into it and having fun but some just give off weird vibes that make you think they are off somehow.

If it was a couple, then that makes a lot of sense. She might have been at ease if a female befriended her, and invited her somewhere with her and her boyfriend. Maybe they just offered her a ride home.

 

[JDB]

I personally think all these post about stats and so on and so forth. Really should never be posted on this thread. There is a place called the parking lot where you could open a thread and debate to your little hearts desire.
But not here where family members and friends of Jarens can read. Or worse years from now her innocent daughter can find.
:banghead:

 

[seattlechiquita]

If it was a couple, then that makes a lot of sense. She might have been at ease if a female befriended her, and invited her somewhere with her and her boyfriend. Maybe they just offered her a ride home.

BBM and I completely concur. The presence of another female might have given her a false sense of safety. It reminds me of the current case where an army wife was lured by a female to another female's house... with horrible consequences.

We are seeing more and more tag-team violent attacks. :grouphug:

 

[SilkySifaka]

This link says they will release the video tomorrow.
http://www.wwltv.com/news/Woman-who...ss-beaches-last-seen-on-video--158493915.html

 

[katydid23]

I think that most of the clubs around here have strict front door rules. IOW, they have to show ID to get in, and are frisked for weapons. So maybe the owners of this club have an idea who that couple might be. They paid for drinks somehow and used ID to get in the door. Many clubs keep a copy of the ID's when people come in the door.

 

[seattlechiquita]

Question that does not imply anything: have Jaren's boyfriend and other next of kin been cleared?

katy, I do hope they have a good ID From the tape. The couple van provide valuable information - or be the perps; we don't know yet. But they need to be located!

 

[SilkySifaka]

BBM

I didn't see anyone making that inference. I did not personally say anything negative about Jaren. My heart goes out to her and her family. I think people are being extra sensitive about her profession, so if anyone brings it up, it automatically means she is being attacked or put down. And as I have said a million times, I worked a similar job when I was her age, so I am making no negative judgments. But we cannot pretend that there are no weird customers who might have wanted to follow her home. No matter what job that a beautiful young woman has, waitress, teacher, librarian, there are going to be despicable perps lurking around. But if you dance in a strip club, those perps are multiplied a bit. jmo And it does not mean she deserved it, I will say once again,just in case.

Hi Katydid, no I was not referring to you, just agreeing we have to discuss the job as part of the poi pool. My first sentence was re other comments with judgements in them.

Agreed that the perps are multiplied a bit (I don't think a whole lot more though than cocktail waitresses, bartenders, or others dependent on tips) but you know I am wondering if its a client at all.

It would be much simpler in a way if it was a friend or an ex. to get her in the car with them. Then again at 2 AM ..a ride home is a ride home

 

[katydid23]

I think there is some confusion about the boyfriend being cleared. originally it seemed so, as she made it to work and left with others. But then he was questioned by LE and some inferred that meant he was on their radar. Her family says he should not be suspected, so that is important. but then again, the victims families said that about Scott Peterson and Dale Smith Jr as well.

 

[missgulfsouth]

I personally think all these post about stats and so on and so forth. Really should never be posted on this thread. There is a place called the parking lot where you could open a thread and debate to your little hearts desire.
But not here where family members and friends of Jarens can read. Or worse years from now her innocent daughter can find.
:banghead:

Are you saying that family and friends don't already know these things? Killers are always on the nightly news, you can't escape it...it's reality. Anyway, the stats speak for themselves. I stand behind them. I won't post them here, you can look yourselves if you are so inclined. This is exhausting.

 

[missgulfsouth]

I think there is some confusion about the boyfriend being cleared. originally it seemed so, as she made it to work and left with others. But then he was questioned by LE and some inferred that meant he was on their radar. Her family says he should not be suspected, so that is important. but then again, the victims families said that about Scott Peterson and Dale Smith Jr as well.

The family knows a lot more than we are being told. If they say that the BF is not a suspect we can believe it.

 

[MemoryFoam]

I think that most of the clubs around here have strict front door rules. IOW, they have to show ID to get in, and are frisked for weapons. So maybe the owners of this club have an idea who that couple might be. They paid for drinks somehow and used ID to get in the door. Many clubs keep a copy of the ID's when people come in the door.

Not over there. No frisking, no ID check unless you look like you're 12. If you have cash and look old enough, there'll be no trace of your name.

 

[SilkySifaka]

I think that most of the clubs around here have strict front door rules. IOW, they have to show ID to get in, and are frisked for weapons. So maybe the owners of this club have an idea who that couple might be. They paid for drinks somehow and used ID to get in the door. Many clubs keep a copy of the ID's when people come in the door.

Very good point. Lets hope so and maybe they can narrow it down. I suppose some of them give fake ID. The trouble is going to be getting any one who saw something to talk or come forward. Many won't want their wives or SO's to know where they were.