GUILTY LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 5 June 2012 - #2

[katydid23]

Hi Katydid, no I was not referring to you, just agreeing we have to discuss the job as part of the poi pool. My first sentence was re other comments with judgements in them.

Agreed that the perps are multiplied a bit (I don't think a whole lot more though than cocktail waitresses, bartenders, or others dependent on tips) but you know I am wondering if its a client at all.

It would be much simpler in a way if it was a friend or an ex. to get her in the car with them. Then again at 2 AM ..a ride home is a ride home

I hear ya about waitresses and bartenders. having been both, I have a few scary stories from back in the day. I had a few stalkers and a couple of close calls. I was too naive and optimistic to really understand at the time. Now I look back and shake my head. lol

It is true that a friend or an ex could get her into a car easier. But since she was very young, she probably considered someone that she met a few times, or someone introduced by a friend, as being a friend. In other words, she may have thought she knew someone and did not really know the real them. Also, some customers become friends. If they tip you well, and they look out for you in the club, then you tend to see them as 'friends' instead of customers. Unfortunately, they are often just socio-paths, that know how to create that false sense of trust. I made that mistake myself a few times back when I was working in the clubs. very scary stuff.

 

[katydid23]

Not over there. No frisking, no ID check unless you look like you're 12. If you have cash and look old enough, there'll be no trace of your name.

Oh DARN. and :welcome: to WS.

 

[seattlechiquita]

I think there is some confusion about the boyfriend being cleared. originally it seemed so, as she made it to work and left with others. But then he was questioned by LE and some inferred that meant he was on their radar. Her family says he should not be suspected, so that is important. but then again, the victims families said that about Scott Peterson and Dale Smith Jr as well.

BBM - I know. And ditto for M. Kauffman who was just acquitted.

But I digress. It is important that LE pinpoints where boyfriend was that night so the investigation can either focus or move along. I am NOT in any way implying he did this that or the other thing.

btw friends, I just finished reading "Erased: missing women, murdered wives" last night. A very good account of DV murders. Well researched and written with compassion.

 

[MemoryFoam]

Oh DARN. and :welcome: to WS.

Thanks for the warm reception. I had came across this site when I was trying to find some articles about Jaren/Riot. I'll chime in if I see some inaccuracies about the club, her, and everything else that I know.

 

[katydid23]

Thanks for the warm reception. I had came across this site when I was trying to find some articles about Jaren/Riot. I'll chime in if I see some inaccuracies about the club, her, and everything else that I know.

What else do you know? Anything you want to share? We are all dying to have more pertinent information.

ETA:I am from Southern California. That is why I thought the customers were ID'd and frisked. We have to do that out here. :crazy:

 

[SilkySifaka]

I hear ya about waitresses and bartenders. having been both, I have a few scary stories from back in the day. I had a few stalkers and a couple of close calls. I was too naive and optimistic to really understand at the time. Now I look back and shake my head. lol

It is true that a friend or an ex could get her into a car easier. But since she was very young, she probably considered someone that she met a few times, or someone introduced by a friend, as being a friend. In other words, she may have thought she knew someone and did not really know the real them. Also, some customers become friends. If they tip you well, and they look out for you in the club, then you tend to see them as 'friends' instead of customers. Unfortunately, they are often just socio-paths, that know how to create that false sense of trust. I made that mistake myself a few times back when I was working in the clubs. very scary stuff.

I know when I was a young woman I thought someone was a friend very quickly or at least put them in the category of someone i would agree to going for a drive with. We so often hear the tragic results of it, like you I look back on those years with a lot of disbelief in how foolish I was to trust so easily.

It could also have been another dancer and bf. I think it would be clear if it was from the same club but don't the girls on the circuit all know each other from other places?

 

[Gypsy Road]

The way I see it is this way. The only way her lifestyle and job profession would play into this - is if a killer specifically TARGETED her because of her profession. Otherwise, her profession has nothing to do this. MOO unless someone else makes me see it a different way.

 

[JDB]

Are you saying that family and friends don't already know these things? Killers are always on the nightly news, you can't escape it...it's reality. Anyway, the stats speak for themselves. I stand behind them. I won't post them here, you can look yourselves if you are so inclined. This is exhausting.

Why not post the stats in the parking lot. Stand behind what you are saying with links just not here. Also I don't see how you can lump a dancer in the same class a some of the ones you did. You might as well lump cocktail waitresses in bowling alleys with them or female bartenders that work in gentleman clubs there to.

 

[SilkySifaka]

Thanks for the warm reception. I had came across this site when I was trying to find some articles about Jaren/Riot. I'll chime in if I see some inaccuracies about the club, her, and everything else that I know.

Welcome MemorFoam!! Please share your thoughts, do you know Jaren? I was just wondering how street smart she was and or trusting..

 

[katydid23]

The way I see it is this way. The only way her lifestyle and job profession would play into this - is if a killer specifically TARGETED her because of her profession. Otherwise, her profession has nothing to do this. MOO unless someone else makes me see it a different way.

I see what you are saying. My point is only that the high number of drunk customers, and the weird relationship that you have with them, when you do a lap dance for them, is going to make an awkward situation happen. That is a situation that you do not have in most other jobs. even as a bartender or waitress, you do not cross that physical line in that same way. So it is worrisome, because sick perps can get very close to the dancers, and are egged on by others in the clubs sketchy atmosphere.

 

[MemoryFoam]

What else do you know? Anything you want to share? We are all dying to have more pertinent information.

ETA:I am from Southern California. That is why I thought the customers were ID'd and frisked. We have to do that out here. :crazy:

I'm hesitant to put some things on here, for obvious reasons.

 

[katydid23]

I'm hesitant to put some things on here, for obvious reasons.

I understand. Let me ask this. Do you think she left with the guilty party? Or did something happen AFTER she left the safety of the club?

 

[katydid23]

I know when I was a young woman I thought someone was a friend very quickly or at least put them in the category of someone i would agree to going for a drive with. We so often hear the tragic results of it, like you I look back on those years with a lot of disbelief in how foolish I was to trust so easily.

It could also have been another dancer and bf. I think it would be clear if it was from the same club but don't the girls on the circuit all know each other from other places?

It could also be a bouncer or male co-worker, that she might have trusted. Sometimes perps seek out jobs in clubs so they have access to the women and are in trustworthy jobs. We once had a bouncer who tried to attack one of our waitresses at an after party.

 

[MemoryFoam]

Welcome MemorFoam!! Please share your thoughts, do you know Jaren? I was just wondering how street smart she was and or trusting..

I did know her, and she was really an awesome gal. She had this carefree energy to her that was pretty unique.

I also know that she was street smart. I know this because she was a co-worker for a while.

 

[Gypsy Road]

I see what you are saying. My point is only that the high number of drunk customers, and the weird relationship that you have with them, when you do a lap dance for them, is going to make an awkward situation happen. That is a situation that you do not have in most other jobs. even as a bartender or waitress, you do not cross that physical line in that same way. So it is worrisome, because sick perps can get very close to the dancers, and are egged on by others in the clubs sketchy atmosphere.

I totally agree that being in the type of profession that Jaren was in that she was more likely to come into contact with more unsavory characters than the average citizen would come in contact with. I personally would never dance, strip, exotic dance, - whatever you want to call it - as a profession, but that's just me. My parents raised me differently, but then again, I never walked in Jaren's shoes and don't know what kind of life she had or what she had been through before her life was so tragically cut short.

 

[aconcernedcitizen]

I don't think the club would have kept a copy of their IDs unless they made charges on their credit card exceeding $200. In most of the clubs, when spending this much or more, they require a copy of the card and license as well as a thumb print in case a drunken customer later has buyer's remorse and tries to claim unauthorized charges. If someone was planning this you'd think they'd be smart enough to use only cash.
However, with where the body was possibly dumped, it makes me believe the perp(s) are from the area or at least familiar with it. Most people from the area are aware that most businesses in the F.Q. cameras so maybe they are not so smart?
If this was a "regular" customer of hers, someone she works with, whether doorman waitress or bartender may know them as the Quarter is very touristy so it only takes a few times to be a familiar face.
I am tending to believe she must have known them to leave with them, as it would make more sense that if someone was just targeting someone in the adult industry, craigslist or backpage seems like an easy way to have someone come to you instead of putting one's self at risk of the surveillance cameras.

 

[SilkySifaka]

I see what you are saying. My point is only that the high number of drunk customers, and the weird relationship that you have with them, when you do a lap dance for them, is going to make an awkward situation happen. That is a situation that you do not have in most other jobs. even as a bartender or waitress, you do not cross that physical line in that same way. So it is worrisome, because sick perps can get very close to the dancers, and are egged on by others in the clubs sketchy atmosphere.

I think that fantasy works for the ones in the other professions just as well as you probably discovered when you were younger lol. The big difference between a dancer and say an escort apart from the degree of physicality is that the escort by necessity is alone with the customer in a place where they can be murdered and assaulted with impunity.

Just the degree of publicness (that isn't a word is it? lol) puts a barrier in place where it takes real effort to attack the woman. There are dozens of witnesses as well and even though they may be less likely to come forward, someone will give a description etc. and if a regular may have clues to how to find him. Just much harder for a perp.

Jaren had to willingly go with the person or at gunpoint, it had to be someone she knew even if slightly imo.

Really interested in seeing the video if they release it tomorrow as suggested in the news.

 

[SilkySifaka]

I did know her, and she was really an awesome gal. She had this carefree energy to her that was pretty unique.

I also know that she was street smart. I know this because she was a co-worker for a while.

she sounds great! Its a crying shame some creep snuffed out a bright light. The personality of the victim can tell us a lot about the type of perp who might have done it. If she was street smart then I can't imagine her going off with a drunken customer from the club.

Do you think she might have though with anyone who was a customer? Or is that a no way situation?

 

[JDB]

I'm hesitant to put some things on here, for obvious reasons.

I think we all understand all of us don't want anything posted to compromise bringing whoever did this to justice.

 

[SilkySifaka]

So there aren't many regulars who come in with female partners? I am not being funny, just really wondering. I know many of our clubs here have women
in the audience too. But I guess they are probably not regular customers.

The sad thing is that they are showing the video to the public. That means to me, that the employees did not recognize the couple, most likely.

BBM Hopefully someone else will though. It is interesting she asked to leave 20 minutes early, possibly someone called to make an arrangement to meet?