Lies point us to the truth #3

[CloudedTruth]

^ ^ You're saying he hasn't been released?

No, saying that referring to him as the killer is yellow journalism......a clickbait headline, as there is no proof he is the killer. He hasn't even been charged with her murder, let alone tried and convicted. It's irresponsible "journalism", typical tabloid crap.

 

[Meara]

Yes, the arrival timing is interesting, isn't it? Reportedly, JAR and MR were on the plane for the flight to Minneapolis, due to depart at 8:36AM Atlanta time, in order to meet the rest of the family at about 10:30AM. According to JAR, he was slipped a note by a flight attendant that there was an emergency and to call home (Boulder). He and MR then deplaned and after speaking to someone (I assume JR), then were able to instead board a flight to Denver. JR finds JBR's body at approximately 1:05PM, and it was reported that they were leaving the house to go to the Furnies at 1:45PM at which time JAR and MR arrived.

JR would not have signed a coroner's report at that time as it would not have been prepared yet, and the coroner by his own account did not arrive at the Ramseys to examine the body until approximately 8PM that night, entering the home at about 8:20PM.

The longer a dead body goes undiscovered, the more forensic evidence is compromised. As chaotic as some things seem, the scenario that was created after the fact was effective. This case is still unsolved.

A search for something else in Steve Thomas’s book turned up a possible explanation of the form JR signed. It's about several things getting mixed together. Here's the groundwork: Since JBR’s body was in the house, and the house was declared a crime scene, it wasn't up to JR to release the body to the coroner. A search warrant for the house had to be issued first, then the body collected and reported essentially as evidence removed from the house. The coroner would then have custody of the body on the DA’s warrant as part of a criminal investigation. The autopsy was mandatory; JR’s consent wasn’t needed. These legal details aren’t widely known. Nothing suggests John knew of them. In his statements there's an assumption that any dealings he had with the coroner's office concerned consent for JBR's autopsy.

Once JBR's body was found, the police were itching to clear the house and do a thorough search but knew that getting a search warrant would take many hours. But, there was a workaround. JR could authorize the search by signing a Consent to Search form. Like a warrant, the consent order would authorize a search and also allow the coroner to collect JBR's body and perform an autopsy. Time was short. Det. Trujillo left the scene to pick up the form at BPD, hurried back to 15th Street, and gave it to Sgt. Mason, who obtained JR's signature. It's possible, even likely, that while Trujillo was getting the form, someone (possibly female) told JR that the coroner had to have either a warrant or a consent order to collect JBR's body; and that, while waiting for a warrant could take 4 hours or more, his consent order could make it happen much sooner. He made his decision quickly at a very freighted moment. JAR, Melinda, and Stuart Long were at the house, climbing out of their cab; and the The Rams were walking out the front door, leaving JBR behind, just as Trujillo pulled up with the Consent to Search form.

Could all of this together explain why JR later said a woman gave him the form he signed having something to do with the autopsy/coroner's report? Thomas says JR read the form, but nothing in JR’s statements reflects any awareness that he signed a consent to have his house and cars searched. Did the police finesse things a little? Did they get their search order by dialing down the search part and dialing up the emphasis on JBR? Without the DA’s warrant, JBR would be left lying for hours in the empty, darkening house. Did it appeal to JR that by signing the Consent to Search he had the authority to have her collected by the coroner much sooner?

Postscript: The Consent to Search could jumpstart an investigation but with a risk: the person could later claim police pressure/coercion. This could get the the search declared illegal and make the findings inadmissible in court. It was a risk Cmdr. Eller didn’t want. The police did in fact wait six hours for a search warrant, requested by Eller, but delayed by sequential revisions requested by Hunter's office. That's why the pathologist, Dr. Meyer, didn't examine the body till 8:20 PM, nor did the police begin their search till then. We don't know whether anyone used JR’s Consent to Search to enter the house between 2:15 and 8:20. We don't know why, when Meyer was done by 8:30, the body wasn't collected by the coroner's office till 10:45, or why Linda Arndt stayed till 11:45.

 

[Rain on my Parade]

MONEY TALKS … posted this before but so important to this case!

Who is Mike Bynum?

Mike Bynum was the corporate attorney at John Ramsey’s company, Access Graphics. The most pertinent details surrounding Mike Bynum are:

• In the early 1970s, Bynum worked as a deputy in the Boulder District Attorney’s office. Bynum worked with both Peter Hofstrom and Alex Hunter
• At the time of JonBenet’s murder, Hofstrom was the head of the DA’s felony division, and Hunter was the Boulder District Attorney
• Bynum grew up (mostly) in Moab, Utah, he went to college in Boulder CO, and in 2002, he retired from the legal profession and moved back to Moab, Utah. I will revisit Moab, Utah, later on in this post.
• A general overview of Bynum’s life and career can be found here

Bynum’s initial involvement in the case

Bynum’s relationship with John Ramsey was presented by both, at various times, as either a close friendship, or a business relationship. As of December 1996, it appears the two were more akin to business partners than friends: for example, Bynum had not been invited to the Ramseys' Christmas party on the 23rd, nor was he called to the Ramsey’s house early on the morning of Dec. 26th, 1996.

Now let’s talk about Fleet White for a moment: as described by Det. Schiller in PMPT, on Dec. 26th 1996, “Fleet White drove over to the Fernie’s house to stay with John and Patsy. Later, at around 4:00pm, he [Fleet White] went to the office of Michael Bynum, Ramsey’s corporate attorney…”. Fleet and his wife were the first to arrive at the Ramsey’s house that morning, and Fleet was with John when JonBenet’s body was located in the wine cellar. This means that outside of John, Patsy and Burke, Fleet would have been the star witness for police investigators. Could this be why Mike Bynum was so quick to speak to Fleet alone that evening - to find out what Fleet had witnessed?

This raises the obvious question - why was John’s corporate attorney so quick to jump into the case? He had arranged a meeting with Fleet mere hours after JonBenet's body had been found. Bynum was not John’s personal lawyer - his professional role was to perform legal duties for Access Graphics. Could Mike Bynum’s pre-existing relationship with the DA’s office, who are widely thought to have obstructed the BPD’s investigation, be the primary reason for Bynum’s involvement? If not, a more reasonable approach (i.e less of a conflict of interest), would have been: Bynum refers John to criminal defense lawyer/s > criminal defense lawyer/s decide whether to meet with Fleet on the 26th.

How did Bynum assist John Ramsey?

Bynum did in fact go on to source John’s legal representation, as made clear in John’s Oct. 1998deposition:

John: Well, my friend, Mike Bynum, basically asked me, would you trust me to do some things that I feel need to be done for your family? And I said yes.
Q: When did he ask that?
John: That was probably on the 26th or 27th.

So Bynum moonlighting as John’s legal wizard is over now, right? Well no, because Bynum again goes above-and-beyond the duties of a corporate attorney. As also mentioned by John in the same Oct. 1998 deposition:

John: Mike's firm set up the children's foundation, for example, for us.

What John doesn’t mention in this deposition, is that nine months previously, a company called ‘755 15TH STREET, LLC’ was incorporated, by none other than Mike Bynum’s own law firm, Chrisman Bynum & Johnson, P. C. What did this newly formed “investor group”, composed of “individuals assisting the Ramsey family” do? In Feb. 1998, they purchased the Ramseys’ house for $650,00. This was almost $260k below what the home was valued at in 1996 (and presumably the property value would have increased further by 1998). In fact, from the same Denver Post article, “...Bynum said the group eventually planned to sell the home and donate any profits to the JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation”.

So, to recap:

• Mike Bynum’s firm incorporates the JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation
• In January 1998, Mike Bynum’s firm incorporates an investment group, which, given the chosen business name, appears to have been set up with just the one investment in mind
• This investment group then purchases the Ramsey’s house for ~260k below market value. Now sure, we’ve all heard that ‘murder houses’ are notoriously difficult to sell - but surely John’s ex-corporate attorney and ‘good friend’, whom he clearly maintained a relationship with after having left Access Graphics - surely he wouldn’t be one to stiff the Ramseys in his offer to buy their house? As stated by Bynum’s own firm, they planned to later sell the home, and generously donate all profits back to the Ramseys’ foundation.

Thus far, I suspect there are some financial shenanigans afoot: a non-profit and an LLC are formed by the same individuals, and money is exchanging hands from one organization to the owner of the other. Future profits are earmarked to be transferred back between organizations.

Furthermore, it is interesting that Bynum and Johns’ relationship seemingly grew closer after they no longer worked together at Access Graphics. If Bynum was the critical link between John and the Boulder DA’s office, could the house sale (at below market value) have been an off-the-books payment to Bynum, for having facilitated the connection between John and the DA’s office? As to why Bynum’s firm would later donate back profits to the Ramsey’s foundation, from a second sale of the house… that I can only speculate about. And we don’t know whether or not these profits were in fact donated back, or if there was even a genuine intent to follow through with this payment.

But so far, Mike Bynum seems to be involved in some shady practices. Certainly practices which seem outside the realm of what one would expect of a corporate attorney.

Shady practices?

So digging into Mike Bynum, and as per opencorporates, his name is attached to a slew of companies. He is listed as a President/Director of over 10 different companies, which seems like a lot for one person to manage.

In 2010, Mike Bynum became CEO of White Canyon Uranium (North America), which appears to have been a branch of an AU/CA based parent company. Who else should join this same company, in the same year, as Executive Director of the Board? John Ramsey. Additionally, Mike Bynum is the registered agent of the flight/aircraft company Redtail Air, of which John Ramsey is President.

So it’s clear that Mike and John have been doing business together for at least two decades now. I would hazard a bet that having worked together for so long, they’re probably friends at this point too, particularly given that John also moved to Moab, Utah, in 2011.

So what’s all of this got to do with the murder?

It appears that Mike Bynum could have been complicit in the cover up of JonBenet’s murder, and that he was the conduit by which the Ramsey’s were able to receive such favorable treatment from the Boulder DA’s office. Does Bynum know who killed JonBenet? Maybe. Or maybe not. At the very least, Bynum could have used his personal relationships to assist in obstructing the BPD’s investigation. But why would someone (or anyone, for that matter) facilitate such corruption, when the crime at hand is the murder of a child? I strongly suspect that there was an “I’ll scratch your back, you scratch mine” arrangement between Mike and John. Both were deeply entangled in each other’s business dealings, and it appears there’s a high probability of illegal business activities (e.g money laundering, tax evasion, etc…) having occurred.

We can only speculate as to the extent and the specifics of such activities, but if Bynum did in fact willingly assist in obstructing a murder investigation, I can only assume that the depths of illegality ran fairly deep. Both Mike and John certainly have had unusually diverse careers - spanning across the fields of computer software hardware, financial investing, uranium mining and aircrafts. Impressive resumes.

Pasta Jay

I was unsure whether to include this last section, because I’m not sure how relevant it is (I have not been able to dig up as much information). Perhaps somebody else has already done some research on this and can share what they’ve found.

Jay Elowsky (aka ‘Pasta Jay’) owned a popular (still active to this day) Italian restaurant in Boulder, of which the Ramseys were frequent guests. As per acandyrose entry, at some point prior to 1996, John Ramsey and Mike Bynum loaned Elowsky money for his restaurant business. In fact, at ~1:55 in the crime scene video taken at the Ramsey’s house, a check from Jay Elowsky is located in the Ramsey’s home. Jay Elowsky must have been close to the Ramsey family, because in January of 1997, for approximately 8 weeks, John, Patsy, Burke - and both Patsy’s parents and two sisters - lived with Jay Elowsky in his Boulder home.

In 1992, Pasta Jay’s opened another restaurant location in Moab, Utah. Which is where John Ramsey and Mike Bynum now live. It is unclear what (if any) relationship Mike and John have with Jay Elowsky nowadays, but it is interesting that all three of them are living in the same ~5k population town.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

MONEY TALKS … posted this before but so important to this case!

Who is Mike Bynum?

Mike Bynum was the corporate attorney at John Ramsey’s company, Access Graphics. The most pertinent details surrounding Mike Bynum are:

• In the early 1970s, Bynum worked as a deputy in the Boulder District Attorney’s office. Bynum worked with both Peter Hofstrom and Alex Hunter
• At the time of JonBenet’s murder, Hofstrom was the head of the DA’s felony division, and Hunter was the Boulder District Attorney
• Bynum grew up (mostly) in Moab, Utah, he went to college in Boulder CO, and in 2002, he retired from the legal profession and moved back to Moab, Utah. I will revisit Moab, Utah, later on in this post.
• A general overview of Bynum’s life and career can be found here

Bynum’s initial involvement in the case

Bynum’s relationship with John Ramsey was presented by both, at various times, as either a close friendship, or a business relationship. As of December 1996, it appears the two were more akin to business partners than friends: for example, Bynum had not been invited to the Ramseys' Christmas party on the 23rd, nor was he called to the Ramsey’s house early on the morning of Dec. 26th, 1996.

Now let’s talk about Fleet White for a moment: as described by Det. Schiller in PMPT, on Dec. 26th 1996, “Fleet White drove over to the Fernie’s house to stay with John and Patsy. Later, at around 4:00pm, he [Fleet White] went to the office of Michael Bynum, Ramsey’s corporate attorney…”. Fleet and his wife were the first to arrive at the Ramsey’s house that morning, and Fleet was with John when JonBenet’s body was located in the wine cellar. This means that outside of John, Patsy and Burke, Fleet would have been the star witness for police investigators. Could this be why Mike Bynum was so quick to speak to Fleet alone that evening - to find out what Fleet had witnessed?

This raises the obvious question - why was John’s corporate attorney so quick to jump into the case? He had arranged a meeting with Fleet mere hours after JonBenet's body had been found. Bynum was not John’s personal lawyer - his professional role was to perform legal duties for Access Graphics. Could Mike Bynum’s pre-existing relationship with the DA’s office, who are widely thought to have obstructed the BPD’s investigation, be the primary reason for Bynum’s involvement? If not, a more reasonable approach (i.e less of a conflict of interest), would have been: Bynum refers John to criminal defense lawyer/s > criminal defense lawyer/s decide whether to meet with Fleet on the 26th.

How did Bynum assist John Ramsey?

Bynum did in fact go on to source John’s legal representation, as made clear in John’s Oct. 1998deposition:

So Bynum moonlighting as John’s legal wizard is over now, right? Well no, because Bynum again goes above-and-beyond the duties of a corporate attorney. As also mentioned by John in the same Oct. 1998 deposition:

What John doesn’t mention in this deposition, is that nine months previously, a company called ‘755 15TH STREET, LLC’ was incorporated, by none other than Mike Bynum’s own law firm, Chrisman Bynum & Johnson, P. C. What did this newly formed “investor group”, composed of “individuals assisting the Ramsey family” do? In Feb. 1998, they purchased the Ramseys’ house for $650,00. This was almost $260k below what the home was valued at in 1996 (and presumably the property value would have increased further by 1998). In fact, from the same Denver Post article, “...Bynum said the group eventually planned to sell the home and donate any profits to the JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation”.

So, to recap:

• Mike Bynum’s firm incorporates the JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation
• In January 1998, Mike Bynum’s firm incorporates an investment group, which, given the chosen business name, appears to have been set up with just the one investment in mind
• This investment group then purchases the Ramsey’s house for ~260k below market value. Now sure, we’ve all heard that ‘murder houses’ are notoriously difficult to sell - but surely John’s ex-corporate attorney and ‘good friend’, whom he clearly maintained a relationship with after having left Access Graphics - surely he wouldn’t be one to stiff the Ramseys in his offer to buy their house? As stated by Bynum’s own firm, they planned to later sell the home, and generously donate all profits back to the Ramseys’ foundation.

Thus far, I suspect there are some financial shenanigans afoot: a non-profit and an LLC are formed by the same individuals, and money is exchanging hands from one organization to the owner of the other. Future profits are earmarked to be transferred back between organizations.

Furthermore, it is interesting that Bynum and Johns’ relationship seemingly grew closer after they no longer worked together at Access Graphics. If Bynum was the critical link between John and the Boulder DA’s office, could the house sale (at below market value) have been an off-the-books payment to Bynum, for having facilitated the connection between John and the DA’s office? As to why Bynum’s firm would later donate back profits to the Ramsey’s foundation, from a second sale of the house… that I can only speculate about. And we don’t know whether or not these profits were in fact donated back, or if there was even a genuine intent to follow through with this payment.

But so far, Mike Bynum seems to be involved in some shady practices. Certainly practices which seem outside the realm of what one would expect of a corporate attorney.

Shady practices?

So digging into Mike Bynum, and as per opencorporates, his name is attached to a slew of companies. He is listed as a President/Director of over 10 different companies, which seems like a lot for one person to manage.

In 2010, Mike Bynum became CEO of White Canyon Uranium (North America), which appears to have been a branch of an AU/CA based parent company. Who else should join this same company, in the same year, as Executive Director of the Board? John Ramsey. Additionally, Mike Bynum is the registered agent of the flight/aircraft company Redtail Air, of which John Ramsey is President.

So it’s clear that Mike and John have been doing business together for at least two decades now. I would hazard a bet that having worked together for so long, they’re probably friends at this point too, particularly given that John also moved to Moab, Utah, in 2011.

So what’s all of this got to do with the murder?

It appears that Mike Bynum could have been complicit in the cover up of JonBenet’s murder, and that he was the conduit by which the Ramsey’s were able to receive such favorable treatment from the Boulder DA’s office. Does Bynum know who killed JonBenet? Maybe. Or maybe not. At the very least, Bynum could have used his personal relationships to assist in obstructing the BPD’s investigation. But why would someone (or anyone, for that matter) facilitate such corruption, when the crime at hand is the murder of a child? I strongly suspect that there was an “I’ll scratch your back, you scratch mine” arrangement between Mike and John. Both were deeply entangled in each other’s business dealings, and it appears there’s a high probability of illegal business activities (e.g money laundering, tax evasion, etc…) having occurred.

We can only speculate as to the extent and the specifics of such activities, but if Bynum did in fact willingly assist in obstructing a murder investigation, I can only assume that the depths of illegality ran fairly deep. Both Mike and John certainly have had unusually diverse careers - spanning across the fields of computer software hardware, financial investing, uranium mining and aircrafts. Impressive resumes.

Pasta Jay

I was unsure whether to include this last section, because I’m not sure how relevant it is (I have not been able to dig up as much information). Perhaps somebody else has already done some research on this and can share what they’ve found.

Jay Elowsky (aka ‘Pasta Jay’) owned a popular (still active to this day) Italian restaurant in Boulder, of which the Ramseys were frequent guests. As per acandyrose entry, at some point prior to 1996, John Ramsey and Mike Bynum loaned Elowsky money for his restaurant business. In fact, at ~1:55 in the crime scene video taken at the Ramsey’s house, a check from Jay Elowsky is located in the Ramsey’s home. Jay Elowsky must have been close to the Ramsey family, because in January of 1997, for approximately 8 weeks, John, Patsy, Burke - and both Patsy’s parents and two sisters - lived with Jay Elowsky in his Boulder home.

In 1992, Pasta Jay’s opened another restaurant location in Moab, Utah. Which is where John Ramsey and Mike Bynum now live. It is unclear what (if any) relationship Mike and John have with Jay Elowsky nowadays, but it is interesting that all three of them are living in the same ~5k population town.

• In the early 1970s, Bynum worked as a deputy in the Boulder District Attorney’s office. Bynum worked with both Peter Hofstrom and Alex Hunter

Wow, I have always felt that the Ramseys had someone who helped advise them on how to convolute the crime scene. It seems like in the midst of chaos they sure got it right. Who better to understand evidence than a deputy who works for the DA.

 

[CloudedTruth]

• In the early 1970s, Bynum worked as a deputy in the Boulder District Attorney’s office. Bynum worked with both Peter Hofstrom and Alex Hunter

Wow, I have always felt that the Ramseys had someone who helped advise them on how to convolute the crime scene. It seems like in the midst of chaos they sure got it right. Who better to understand evidence than a deputy who works for the DA.

I think it’s very likely that there were phone calls for advice that night. And conveniently missing phone records.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Absolutely. PR seemed checked out about certain things.

While I know that PR did some charity work, and there was the time taken for the pageants and all that required, she was also a stay at home mom. One of the things that always bothered me were the reported messy and lazy issues with both her children. Dropping toys and clothes wherever they felt like it and expecting someone else to pick up after them and put things away, and most disturbing were the toilet habits of both BR and JBR of not flushing. And PR seemed to be kind of nonchalant about it when she made those admissions. It seems to be in contrast to the picture of a perfect little family portrayal and her always being perfectly turned out, one would expect that she would be embarrassed by such revelations of her children's behavior. To me, this presents a picture of a parent who doesn't really parent when it comes to certain issues. I do of course understand that she was ill for awhile, but she just comes across as not very engaged with her children unless it's something fun or pleasant to her.

For the primary reason you stated, I don't think this was PR experiencing rage over bedwetting. She just didn't seem overly bothered by the bedwetting or the messy house ect. Also, if PR was getting really angry at JBR for wetting the bed, wouldn't JBR just not tell her? It sounds like in the past, she would just go get into another bed. If she anticipated getting punished harshly, she was old enough to change her pj's and switch beds to avoid detection. She was 6 years old. Dressing herself should have been achievable. There were too many options for her to have to tell PR if she knew she would be in trouble.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

JonBenét Ramsey murder house taken off the market after sixth attempt to sell notorious property

The infamous, and tragic, Boulder residence where the young pageant queen was found dead in her basement has once more failed to secure a buyer.

nypost.com

 

[Rain on my Parade]

• In the early 1970s, Bynum worked as a deputy in the Boulder District Attorney’s office. Bynum worked with both Peter Hofstrom and Alex Hunter

Wow, I have always felt that the Ramseys had someone who helped advise them on how to convolute the crime scene. It seems like in the midst of chaos they sure got it right. Who better to understand evidence than a deputy who works for the DA.

Or your corporate attorney? The R’s don’t (IMO never did) appear innocent. They fight hard to convince others there was an Intruder. They were both handed down felony indictments for which they walked free. Why did they walk free? Because we can’t tell who did exactly what. There is no solve past this. Money and lies run thick as blood in this case.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Or your corporate attorney? The R’s don’t (IMO never did) appear innocent. They fight hard to convince others there was an Intruder. They were both handed down felony indictments for which they walked free. Why did they walk free? Because we can’t tell who did exactly what. There is no solve past this. Money and lies run thick as blood in this case.

They walked free, in part, because they had a lot of help. I always thought the ongoing PR spin was to protect BR but I no longer think that at all. It's to protect those who colluded in the cover up. No one will change my mind on this one.

 

[CloudedTruth]

A search for something else in Steve Thomas’s book turned up a possible explanation of the form JR signed. It's about several things getting mixed together. Here's the groundwork: Since JBR’s body was in the house, and the house was declared a crime scene, it wasn't up to JR to release the body to the coroner. A search warrant for the house had to be issued first, then the body collected and reported essentially as evidence removed from the house. The coroner would then have custody of the body on the DA’s warrant as part of a criminal investigation. The autopsy was mandatory; JR’s consent wasn’t needed. These legal details aren’t widely known. Nothing suggests John knew of them. In his statements there's an assumption that any dealings he had with the coroner's office concerned consent for JBR's autopsy.

Once JBR's body was found, the police were itching to clear the house and do a thorough search but knew that getting a search warrant would take many hours. But, there was a workaround. JR could authorize the search by signing a Consent to Search form. Like a warrant, the consent order would authorize a search and also allow the coroner to collect JBR's body and perform an autopsy. Time was short. Det. Trujillo left the scene to pick up the form at BPD, hurried back to 15th Street, and gave it to Sgt. Mason, who obtained JR's signature. It's possible, even likely, that while Trujillo was getting the form, someone (possibly female) told JR that the coroner had to have either a warrant or a consent order to collect JBR's body; and that, while waiting for a warrant could take 4 hours or more, his consent order could make it happen much sooner. He made his decision quickly at a very freighted moment. JAR, Melinda, and Stuart Long were at the house, climbing out of their cab; and the The Rams were walking out the front door, leaving JBR behind, just as Trujillo pulled up with the Consent to Search form.

Could all of this together explain why JR later said a woman gave him the form he signed having something to do with the autopsy/coroner's report? Thomas says JR read the form, but nothing in JR’s statements reflects any awareness that he signed a consent to have his house and cars searched. Did the police finesse things a little? Did they get their search order by dialing down the search part and dialing up the emphasis on JBR? Without the DA’s warrant, JBR would be left lying for hours in the empty, darkening house. Did it appeal to JR that by signing the Consent to Search he had the authority to have her collected by the coroner much sooner?

Postscript: The Consent to Search could jumpstart an investigation but with a risk: the person could later claim police pressure/coercion. This could get the the search declared illegal and make the findings inadmissible in court. It was a risk Cmdr. Eller didn’t want. The police did in fact wait six hours for a search warrant, requested by Eller, but delayed by sequential revisions requested by Hunter's office. That's why the pathologist, Dr. Meyer, didn't examine the body till 8:20 PM, nor did the police begin their search till then. We don't know whether anyone used JR’s Consent to Search to enter the house between 2:15 and 8:20. We don't know why, when Meyer was done by 8:30, the body wasn't collected by the coroner's office till 10:45, or why Linda Arndt stayed till 11:45.

This is very interesting to know, and helps to explain in my mind anyway, why it took so long for them to remove the body from the house. Interesting insight into how things work with warrants, etc.

It's understandable that there might be some confusion on JR's part given the circumstances. I will note however how it juxtaposes with his demeanor, calmness and ability to take in and comprehend instructions from Det. Arndt as to the call from the kidnappers. One can of course argue that there's a difference between a kidnapping and a murder, but the warnings (which the R's ignored) in the note about consequences to JBR if instructions were not followed (such as calling the police which they immediately did) would have been unnerving and frightening to say the least. At the end of the day, I simply do not find much of what JR said then or since to be particularly credible.

 

[Rain on my Parade]

It's understandable that there might be some confusion on JR's part given the circumstances. I will note however how it juxtaposes with his demeanor, calmness and ability to take in and comprehend instructions from Det. Arndt as to the call from the kidnappers. One can of course argue that there's a difference between a kidnapping and a murder, but the warnings (which the R's ignored) in the note about consequences to JBR if instructions were not followed (such as calling the police which they immediately did) would have been unnerving and frightening to say the least. At the end of the day, I simply do not find much of what JR said then or since to be particularly credible.

Yes, and ignoring the fact that 10 o’clock came and went without even a notice from either parent. They have since argued the rn timeline could have meant the next morning they woke up or the next day after that. The latter makes no logical sense. Unless of course we have found a member of the ff. Besides I personally have never heard mention of the police continuing to monitor the house phone after the 26th. The Stine’s exchange student was a part of a ff at the time. They dissolved the organization immediately? He took BR, DS, and JB to school in the mornings as an extra throw in. He was also in California at the time of the murder. Which IMOO says PR knew of a ff member.