Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 23

[mjak]

I am going to have to make the assumption that the definition I have of ward of the state is very different from the one being used regarding Maddie. In the United States a ward of the state means the child has no parents and thus the state becomes the legal guardian. I can't imagine the McCanns agreeing to this arrangment. I don't care if it simplifies things legally. As I would climb mount Everest in a bathing suit before I would agree to relinquish my parental rights to my missing child. This must be a case of cultural differences. It has to be.

mjak

 

[Barnaby]

I am going to have to make the assumption that the definition I have of ward of the state is very different from the one being used regarding Maddie. In the United States a ward of the state means the child has no parents and thus the state becomes the legal guardian. I can't imagine the McCanns agreeing to this arrangment. I don't care if it simplifies things legally. As I would climb mount Everest in a bathing suit before I would agree to relinquish my parental rights to my missing child. This must be a case of cultural differences. It has to be.

mjak

I don't think it's a cultural thing Mjak, being from the Uk, I feel & I think I can confidently say 99.9% of UK mothers would feel the same as you do.

There has to be another reason why this was done either:
1. The court did it on the application of Social Services & this announcement is just another lie & cover up for the fact that the news may become public soon.
or
2. Solicitors advised that making Madeleine a ward of Court has some benefit for the McCanns, they do little that hasn't any personal benefit

 

[SewingDeb]

Maybe they can't be charged with neglect if they are no longer her guardians?

 

[colomom]

Thank you. I don't know, maybe he is just a really super nice guy with loads of money.:waitasec:

I didn't know that was possible....

 

[Barnaby]

Maybe they can't be charged with neglect if they are no longer her guardians?

They were her legal guardians when they neglected her so that won't work!

I didn't know that was possible....

I think you might just be right Colomon, LOL!

 

[SewingDeb]

You're right Barnaby. Now that I think about it, they also neglected the twins and they haven't turned guardianship of them over to anyone.

 

[Texana]

I don't think anything could convince me to allow my child to become a ward of the state, where someone who had kidnapped her could use it as proof that I no longer cared or was looking for her.

A child would never understand why that was done, we can hardly understand it and we are adults.

 

[april4sky]

Thank you. I don't know, maybe he is just a really super nice guy with loads of money.:waitasec:

Your welcome IW
It may not always seem like it but I believe there are still many good and caring people in the world. Thank Goodness.

 

[Barnaby]

You're right Barnaby. Now that I think about it, they also neglected the twins and they haven't turned guardianship of them over to anyone.

Well, we do not know but perhaps Social Services have also made the twins Wards of the court! In view of the extremely negligent behaviour of the McCanns this would be prudent!

I don't think anything could convince me to allow my child to become a ward of the state, where someone who had kidnapped her could use it as proof that I no longer cared or was looking for her.

A child would never understand why that was done, we can hardly understand it and we are adults.

So right Texana, but then you are a caring mother & therein lies the huge difference in you & the McCanns!

 

[april4sky]

McCanns want search to resume

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/06/21/Report_McCanns_want_search_to_resume/UPI-65871214068119/

The parents of Madeleine McCann want police documents released in Britain in a push to resume the search for the missing girl, a spokesman says.

An official spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann said the couple are set to petition a High Court judge for the release of the documents in an attempt to renew interest in their missing daughter's case, The Daily Telegraph reported Saturday.
"An application has been made on Madeleine's behalf by her parents for disclosure of certain documents," spokesman Clarence Mitchell said. "The hearing is currently scheduled for July 7 in the High Court in London."

The couple's legal action comes after police in Leicestershire County alleged they could not investigate alleged sightings of the 4-year-old due to an agreement with Portuguese police.
****

Makes good sense as from day one the Portuguese secrecy laws have handicapped this case. IMO.

 

[ThoughtFox]

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk...parents-install-panic-alarms-100252-21134869/

The McCanns Install Panic Alarms

Liverpool-born Kate McCann and husband Gerry are understood to have received offensive and menacing letters and emails, including two that threatened to kill them.

The couple have installed a state-of-the-art the security system at their £600,000 detached home in Rothley, Leicestershire.

The equipment, costing several thousand pounds, is understood to include CCTV and panic buttons in most rooms to alert police in an emergency.

More at Link . . .

 

[Barnaby]

A pathetic attempt to attract public sympathy after all the bad Press of late no doubt! They said they were doing this in September after they returned from PDL! I will try to find a link!
Yet more spin when the chips are down! These people are prime manipulators!


Edit to add:

Yes this subject is being discussed on the 3A's, here is a link to story in October 2007, as I thought a rehash of old news to garner sympathy!

http://www.the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16224

I believe they had panic button etc installed on their return from Portugal:

[quote: snip
.......... An insider said: "Portuguese police say it is hampering their investigation. But you have to question why they've been so quick to jump on the McCanns when they've yet to see something as basic as their phone records."

Meanwhile Kate and Gerry are having panic buttons installed at home as police step down the round-the-clock vigil outside their house.

The couple have had a constant police guard since arriving back from Portugal seven weeks ago.

Heart specialist Gerry, 39, is returning to work on Thursday. He took twins Sean and Amelie to a park near his home in Rothley, Leics,.... quote]

Here's the link http://tinyurl.com/yss394

 

[teacherbees]

I wish they'd been as concerned with Madeleine's security and safety. Sigh....

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Ward of the Court is a big crock.

I've been thinking about this and you know, it is crazy. Here we have 2 parents who think the police have bumbled EVERY THING. They don't trust the cops, they cut them down every chance they get....BUT they decided to turn the welfare of their daughter over to a court appointed judge, giving this unnamed judge power over their daughters future. They trust lawyers more than cops with their daughter??? What if she actually was found, (We know that ain't going to happen & so do the McCanns) and the judge said, in the child's best interest she needs foster care from adults who won't leave her alone. Or what if the judge says, I think she is traumatised and will need to spend the next 3 years in a mental facility 1000 miles away. Even if Madeleine was found a live, it would take another 2 years worth of red tape for the McCanns to ever be restored custody, and have her living back home. No, I smell a rat here.

No, no, no, nothing good would come from a living Madeleine being a ward of the state for parents who really cared and believed she was alive. Chances are, they would never have custody of her again. BUT...the McCanns can still be named the beneficiary of any LIFE INSURANCE POLICY they had previously taken out on Madeleine regardless of their parental status....AND, being a ward of the state, the process of declaring Madeleine legally dead will be much quicker, not to mention a decision made by the court, and not the McCanns. (Not to further tarnish public oppenion, ya know) Basically, they'll get their life insurance money on Madeleine faster, and won't have to look like villains for prematurely declaring her dead. They know the courts will take care of the process being her guardian without the red tape just to get her "off the books". This will all happen much quicker, they'll be rolling in the dough much sooner, and they avoid negative public oppenion of themselves than if they filed a court petition to declare her dead.

It is once again ALL ABOUT THE THEM...and of course THE DAMN MONEY.

 

[teacherbees]

I don't think anyone should have to live with the fear of death threats, etc..so I certainly don't condone that type of activity.

It is interesting to me, however, to think of the parents of a missing child being so reviled that they'd be the object of those death threats. The natural human instinct is to feel deep compassion and sorrow for people who have lost their child under such tragic circumstances.

That Kate and Gerry are targets of so much hatred and ill will certainly seems to indicate the world at large isn't buying their poor-pitiful-us victim story. Officially, they have been rebuffed as spokespeople for the European version of the Amber Alert and on a more personal level, there are people out there letting them know they don't believe them.

It's hard enough to comprehend parents neglecting a child or killing them and then lying about the murder. But when those same people then go on to use their child's death as a stepping stone to raking in tons of money and portraying themselves as media darling victims it gets pretty darned hard to stomach.

Kate and Gerry would be better to stay home, keep a low profile and hopefully learn from their stupidity as they bring up the two children they have left.

 

[Salem]

I agree teacherbees - no condoning of any "hate" tactics!

IW - do we know that they have a policy on Maddie? It is somewhat "rare" to have life insurance on your child. Not unheard of, but not all that common either.

Why know, as Barnaby has so diligenty reminded us, are the McCanns' bringing up the security speil again? What is it that is about to break in the news or otherwise come out that they are trying to lessen the impact of?

Salem

 

[Barnaby]

Teacherbees & Salem, I agree, I certainly do not condone hate tactics & people who send letters like this are just as despicable as the McCanns!
However, I do believe that they are using these to their own advantage as usual either to distract from bad press & get sympathy or to distract from upcoming news, probably both!

The Ward of Court being done so early on is very puzzling indeed, seems as if they knew that Madeleine wouldn't be found quickly, but then we all know that they knew that don't we? We still do not know if the McCanns did this or the Courts did it to protect a child that was neglected if she was found.

Teacherbees you are of course right that the majority of people in the world don't believe them & very right that they should have learned by now that every new action on their part is only doing themselves damage. I cannot understand why two educated people with the best advisors that money can buy keep on doing this. It is reverse psychology gone very badly wrong!

Regarding a life policy on a child, I could never understand anyone doing this, God forbid if anything happened to my child the last thing I would want to do would be to go on a spending spree with the proceeds!

Very true Teacherbees, too bad they were not as concerned with Madeleine's safety as they now are with their own!

Apart from not wanting any ill to befall another human being even the McCanns, I would think that if anyone was evil enough to make an attempt on their lives & succeed it would only make them martyrs, much better to let justice take it's course & let these vile people be exposed to the world for what they really are!

 

[Rhett]

Some people, myself included have always had life insurance on my children. I believe all policies are around $20,000 which would be enough to bury them should, God forbid anything happen to them. However, the policies also build cash value for the child and can be kept by them as adults when illness could preclude them from being able to obtain insurance on their own. Just a different point of view about insurance. Doesn't mean I don't believe that the McCann's let something happen to their precious daughter.

 

[Barnaby]

Some people, myself included have always had life insurance on my children. I believe all policies are around $20,000 which would be enough to bury them should, God forbid anything happen to them. However, the policies also build cash value for the child and can be kept by them as adults when illness could preclude them from being able to obtain insurance on their own. Just a different point of view about insurance. Doesn't mean I don't believe that the McCann's let something happen to their precious daughter.

Sorry Rhett, I wasn't damning people who have child insurance. I realise that there are investment policies for children which is a different thing. I was totally referring to people who would insure their children & enjoy the money after a death & giving the general attitude of the McCanns I think it possible they would fall into this category!

 

[Salem]

Some people, myself included have always had life insurance on my children. I believe all policies are around $20,000 which would be enough to bury them should, God forbid anything happen to them. However, the policies also build cash value for the child and can be kept by them as adults when illness could preclude them from being able to obtain insurance on their own. Just a different point of view about insurance. Doesn't mean I don't believe that the McCann's let something happen to their precious daughter.

Rhett - thank you for this explanation. I did know that some parents do this and I also thought that the policy could be "cashed in" later to be used for college expenses or such things. I think this is a good idea. We only carry what they call "whole life" insurance because of its cash value if we need it. I only had one child and when he was little, there was barely enough money to feed him, let alone look out for his future. :crazy:

Salem