MI MI - Luce Co, McMillan, WhtMale 23-30, UP6754, facial fracture, Survival knife, poss limped, Oct'87

[kitbits]

Well done, mrtrooper!!!!! :woohoo:

 

[mtrooper]

OK oddly enough I recieved an e-mail this morning saying that the prints were not a match. I am not really sure how they were able to get prints off of skeletal remains. They used prints that the FBI had on the missing person instead of the ones that I had sent from the Sherriffs department when he was arrested in 1986. So I have a few concerns. They are going to try to get a hold of the guy who examined the bones and get his opinion. I will keep my finger crossed, but I really would feel more comfortable with DNA.

 

[Guinevere]

OK oddly enough I recieved an e-mail this morning saying that the prints were not a match. I am not really sure how they were able to get prints off of skeletal remains. They used prints that the FBI had on the missing person instead of the ones that I had sent from the Sherriffs department when he was arrested in 1986. So I have a few concerns. They are going to try to get a hold of the guy who examined the bones and get his opinion. I will keep my finger crossed, but I really would feel more comfortable with DNA.

Wow thats is very strange :waitasec: How would you get prints from skeletal remains? Possible even? DNA would be a much better indicator.

 

[mtrooper]

No more news today. I am SO out of the loop. I really despise the LE some times. Ungrateful comes to mind.

 

[kitbits]

No more news today. I am SO out of the loop. I really despise the LE some times. Ungrateful comes to mind.

hang in there, mrtrooper...

yeah, waiting is a drag...am waiting to hear back about my submission...

and that fingerprint thing...WHAT? mmmkay...somebody must be confused. DNA all the way!

 

[mtrooper]

I have the tune from jepardy playing in my head.....I guess it being the weekend and all.

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/94ummi.html

 

[webrocket]

I was going to send in a message to a moderator to change the heading to a rule out. I decided to look at Namus and oddly they have the UID listed as found in a different town and county (McMillan Township, Luce County) than the original link from the State of Michigan (Whitefish Township, Chippewa County). Clearly it is the same UID.

here is the Namus link and no one is listed as being ruled out:

https://identifyus.org/cases/6754

Namus also says there are fingerprints on file but I am doing my own head scratching as to how one can obtain fingerprints from a skeleton.

to Mtrooper, why don't you try the contact listed on the Namus page. you might get a different response especially if you were told the dentals were a match.

 

[webrocket]

UID is in Namus, no rule outs:

https://identifyus.org/cases/6754

the rod had been removed before his death:

"The skeleton displayed a healed spiral fracture to the left femur which had been treated with a temporary metal rod implant. The rod had been removed prior to death."

 

[webrocket]

this guy makes the most sense in terms of a possible match, David Thomson:

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/1890/1/

last seen July 04, 1979 in MN, traveled about, was between 5'8-5'11" and had brown hair. in terms of skeletal information, while not exactly the same as the UID is the closest I could find:

In a car accident in 1964 resulting in a fracture in his growth bone of left shoulder, foreshortening his left arm, serious left leg fracture resulting in leg being 3/8 of an inch shorter. Subsequent diagnosis of scoliosis.

so Thomson had both a prior leg fracture and scoliosis.

ETA - I should add that Thomson was older than the upper range, but they are only estimates anyway.

 

[Harmony 2]

this guy makes the most sense in terms of a possible match, David Thomson:

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/1890/1/

last seen July 04, 1979 in MN, traveled about, was between 5'8-5'11" and had brown hair. in terms of skeletal information, while not exactly the same as the UID is the closest I could find:

In a car accident in 1964 resulting in a fracture in his growth bone of left shoulder, foreshortening his left arm, serious left leg fracture resulting in leg being 3/8 of an inch shorter. Subsequent diagnosis of scoliosis.

so Thomson had both a prior leg fracture and scoliosis.

ETA - I should add that Thomson was older than the upper range, but they are only estimates anyway.

for comparison- David Thomson:

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/1890/1/

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/94ummi.html

 

[webrocket]

thanks Harmony.

if the hair on the UID is accurate, the Thomson was balder when he was last seen and I don't see the match.

if the hair is a guess, then it is not helpful.

the UID's chin looks smaller but neither of their faces both have a rounded look. they both appear somewhat elongated to me.

 

[CarlK90245]

The foreheads are what is hanging me up on this one. David has a high forehead with a prominent brow ridge. The UID has a short, sloping forehead.

 

[webrocket]

Thomson's neck appears longer than the UID.

it is not everyday you can find a possible match with two conditions like a prior leg fracture and scoliosis.

probably the biggest downside is that Thomson also had a prior left shoulder fracture which is not mentioned with the UID.

 

[reasypeasy]

There are a few points of similarity between this John Doe and Jackie Larry Letney

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/340dmak.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/letney_jackie.html

Pros: height, hair, timeframes, known to wear similar looking moustache, has a scar on forehead and photos show a difference in left/right sides of face, has a limp, one picture of him shows him wearing a khaki-green jacket
Cons: Jackie is 4 years older than top end of range. Michigan is quite a way outside the Fairbanks to Texas journey we think Jackie was attempting. The recon resemblance isn't wonderful.

 

[mtrooper]

BTW- MSP said my previous submission (Ronald Vonderheide) was not a match. I am not sure how they came to that conclusion as I lack both a certain male anatomical part and a badge (sorry for sounding snide... Just tired of LE crap) throwing this out there for a second opinion.

Steven Tuomi- supposedly a victim of Dahmer. The hair color on the reconstruction should be auburn. Apparently they didn't have that color wig available.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/629dmwi.html

 

[carbuff]

No ruleouts listed in Namus.

I have no idea what he could have been doing for 11 years or how he wound up in northern Michigan, but Gary Mullinax seems to fit what little information there is. Age (33) at the upper end of range for UID (35 per Namus), height 66" versus 68" for the UID, similar face, similar facial hair. Head hair parts on the same side. Mullinax had facial damage and a broken left leg.

Negatives -- UID has no mention of Mullinax's left hip fracture. Mullinax's entry has no mention of scoliosis, but that's often not diagnosed in life.

What do you think?

 

[Coffee56]

thoughts on Tommy Gene Harfield? I'm not sure how he ended up in MI but the stats, timeline and injuries/scars match

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4792dmtn.html

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/21815/0/

 

[carbuff]

thoughts on Tommy Gene Harfield? I'm not sure how he ended up in MI but the stats, timeline and injuries/scars match

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4792dmtn.html

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/21815/0/

Uh. Yeah. I think so. Scars and injuries match, stats are in range, clothing matches, even faces are close. Last seen September 18, which is in range and gives more than adequate time to get to Michigan before death--Clairfield TN to Little Lake Harbor is 12-14 hours directly up Interstate 75.

 

[Coffee56]

Anyone want to run with it? I'm not sure I know the best avenues for making these matches.

And totally unrelated to the thread, I have a few other matches that I'd like feedback on but am unable to start a thread and there do not appear to be any started yet.