MO MO - Jessica Runions, 21, Kansas City, 8 Sept 2016 #2

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I'm new to the website and this thread compelled me to join. I live locally to this case and have been following it very closely as well at Kara's case. The fact that KY is involved is enough to make it frightening on its own, let alone knowing the details of the burning car and such. I guess my biggest questions besides, WHERE IS JESSICA?!, are 1. What evidence do they have to charge him with knowingly burning? 2. How did he get to Edwards? Surely, someone additional was involved in that. 3. Was Jaxon (JR's boyfriend) at the party or not? I apologize if any of these questions have been answered in the previous thread. I work at a law firm so the fact that they have sealed the knowingly burning case tells me that they don't want anyone in the public or media knowing what evidence they have or the details and that they want to protect their investigation. IMO, I don't feel necessarily hopeful that either girl will be found. If he got rid of Kara and nobody has been able to find her for almost 10 years then I'm willing to bet that JR met the same fate and is wherever Kara is. The good news is that they don't need a body to charge someone with murder so I'm hoping whatever they have on the knowingly burning case leads to more evidence that's good enough to support a murder charge.

We can only speculate based on what MSM has reported, but my guess is that they had the info JR left with KY. That makes him an immediate person of interest. They can't find him though. They get a tip about the burning car, ID it as JR's, and now the last person to see her is pretty important. Couple that with his record and known connection to KK, and the detectives are scratching chins. When they finally find him in Edwards, thanks to the trailer resident reporting the door being busted in, his face is burned in a way that is typical of a flash burn from setting something on fire. That is enough for probable cause. At this point I think they have enough evidence for AK but I don't know how that works in Kansas.

We don't know how he got to Edwards. That is a great question. My personal guess is a family member or his buddy FL.

Jaxon was not at the party.
 
What was left of the car was impounded so I'm pretty sure they would know by now if her body was burned up in the car. IMO he transported the body in the car and then burned it to destroy evidence. I hope there was something left that didn't get burned. There was another case I read about where the car was burned when a woman went missing but her daily planner was found almost completely intact. LE could have something like that that points to KY being in the car/would have given him motive to burn the car. I hope whatever they have is really strong evidence.

That's the case I was thinking of! The one where the woman was moonlighting as an escort! That's what made me think of it. My thoughts are that if her body was in the car, and she was deceased, a cadaver dog would hit on that, even if the car was burned.
 
I don't think teeth burn. She was not in the car. Her DNA was though, and I suspect so was his. Just sayin'.
 
I don't think he left her in that car, but I do think that there was enough trace evidence that would have connected him to her disappearance. His grandfather said that he saw that car sitting in his driveway until 3 PM on Friday September 9. I think that KY left to get rid of other evidence in an attempt to cover his tracks and then found out that JR had been reported missing. He ran out of time and didn't have a lot of choices, and with the potential trace evidence in the car, he decided to just burn it. He may be cunning, but he's not very organized. Unfortunately for KY, circumstantial evidence speaks almost as loudly as direct evidence in some cases and it's not painting a pretty picture for him in this one.
 
I agree. The area around the creek where KY threw the kittens would be a good place to start looking.
 
I don't think she was in the car either, that's not what I'm saying, I think he used to car to transport her, therefore a cadaver dog would hit if that was the case.
 
I don't think she was in the car either, that's not what I'm saying, I think he used to car to transport her, therefore a cadaver dog would hit if that was the case.
I agree, I also think he called someone to take him from the burning car location to Edwards. I believe that person went to police and that is how they found him so fast. I don't think the driver knows where Jessica is.
 
We can only speculate based on what MSM has reported, but my guess is that they had the info JR left with KY. That makes him an immediate person of interest. They can't find him though. They get a tip about the burning car, ID it as JR's, and now the last person to see her is pretty important. Couple that with his record and known connection to KK, and the detectives are scratching chins. When they finally find him in Edwards, thanks to the trailer resident reporting the door being busted in, his face is burned in a way that is typical of a flash burn from setting something on fire. That is enough for probable cause. At this point I think they have enough evidence for AK but I don't know how that works in Kansas.

We don't know how he got to Edwards. That is a great question. My personal guess is a family member or his buddy FL.

Jaxon was not at the party.

So, do you think the person that gave him a ride to Edwards picked him up from the burn site or from grandpa's? It's my understanding that grandpa's isn't too far from where the car was found. If he was picked up at the burn site, wtf? If someone called me & asked me to come get them & they're burnt & I see the car, that's gonna raise some major red flags to me. I guess he could've walked away from the burn site & called for a ride. Still though, the burns are going to be visible.


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So, do you think the person that gave him a ride to Edwards picked him up from the burn site or from grandpa's? It's my understanding that grandpa's isn't too far from where the car was found. If he was picked up at the burn site, wtf? If someone called me & asked me to come get them & they're burnt & I see the car, that's gonna raise some major red flags to me. I guess he could've walked away from the burn site & called for a ride. Still though, the burns are going to be visible.


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I would bet he made up a "good" excuse for why he had such burns, no matter who picked him up or saw him. too close to a burn barrel or bonfire or ......
 
I would bet he made up a "good" excuse for why he had such burns, no matter who picked him up or saw him. too close to a burn barrel or bonfire or ......

You're probably right. Ugh. Thinking about this case just hurts my head. Still so many questions. How is he so good at making people disappear? I'm hoping LE's silence means something.


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Long time lurker. Live in Raymore. I don't understand how he could get rid of everything including evidence, etc. being that drunk. Hopefully the police have a lot more info than we know about. This is all speculation but I have seen comments under news stories from a lady saying her son was picked up with KY in Edwards. If true then hopefully the police have searched his car etc. They have to have some info that lead them to KY so quickly after finding the burning car. Just feels eerily similar to the baby Lisa case here a few years ago, I kept thinking they had evidence and would prosecute someone (most likely parents) and now it is many years later and still nothing.
 
Long time lurker. Live in Raymore. I don't understand how he could get rid of everything including evidence, etc. being that drunk. Hopefully the police have a lot more info than we know about. This is all speculation but I have seen comments under news stories from a lady saying her son was picked up with KY in Edwards. If true then hopefully the police have searched his car etc. They have to have some info that lead them to KY so quickly after finding the burning car. Just feels eerily similar to the baby Lisa case here a few years ago, I kept thinking they had evidence and would prosecute someone (most likely parents) and now it is many years later and still nothing.

A new addition to the timeline included grandpa saying he seen JR's car in his driveway Friday morning (the day after she's last seen.) He had time to sober up before destroying evidence. That was also a question of mine though. How did he manage all that while being "extremely intoxicated" as some have described him?


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I agree. I don't understand how he could get rid of everything by himself so quickly. I have a feeling that he had/has someone helping - perhaps he gave the body to someone else to deal with (as was speculated about with KK and KY's "Waffles" connection) while he used what little time he knew he had to get rid of the main evidence (JR's SUV). Giving someone else the body bought him time to deal with all of the other stuff - he knew they would be coming for him soon - too soon to deal with getting rid of a body. Maybe that person is still dealing with it... it seems KY has allies that will protect him and his actions and not say a word.
 
IMO people are giving him too much credit as being some sort of mastermind with connections. I have no doubt he is evil but I think with Kara's case he got lucky and she fell through the cracks of a smaller town police force with lack of resources/lack of experience investigating cases like this. They considered KK a runaway at first and didn't act right away to investigate. He had more than enough time to destroy evidence back in 2007. With Jessica, things are different. People saw them together, they got him in custody pretty fast and KC metro police are on the case. The burning car, the blood in his place and the clothing could all be key but may not be enough to charge him. I keep hoping they will reveal they have more to charge him (we still don't know if that was Jessica's shirt or Jessica's blood they found). I keep hoping they will find Jessica.

Locals, have there been ANY searches going on?
 
I really don't think he had help. Maybe getting to Edwards, but with the rest of it, no. He had an entire day to destroy evidence and do whatever else he needed to do before he left town. I think he attempted to go to work, was asked to leave due to his appearance and hangover, and then went home to sleep it off and make a plan. After that, he set out to destroy the main evidence. Who knows where JR was during that 9 am to 3 pm time period his grandfather said that her car was in his driveway. Most articles I've seen list her mother as reporting her missing at about 10:30 pm on Friday. My guess is he discovered that and then decided to just burn the car...He'd run out of time and had to get rid of it somehow. The car was found a few hours after JR was reported missing. KY had plenty of time to get rid of evidence on his own and figure out whatever plan he needed to get to Edwards, at least eight or nine hours if he started at 3 and then burned the car around midnight. What boggles my mind is how this guy who appears to be so unorganized and careless still has everyone grasping for clues three weeks later. That tells me that maybe he's done this more than once or twice.
 
Locals, have there been ANY searches going on?
Yes, if you look on FB, they've been doing large group searches for JR I think on Sundays and I think her family searches for her whenever they can on their own. I have not seen any news or info on whether police are still continuing their searches.
 
Fellow sleuther from Finland joining the team :) I've been reading mostly, but now that I'm getting more and more intrigued by this case, I've got to post my own theories.

KY thinks he is perfect, but I can see he made at least two mistakes that we can see.

The first mistake was on friday morning. I read KY showed up at work with scratch marks on his face. Why the heck did he do that? Intoxicated, not being able to think straight. He thought he should act normal to avoid suspicion, like nothing ever happened. Just go to work. Well, that was not smart. The boss sent him home. OMG, that must have been so embarrassing for KY, call that a shocker for a narcissist.

After that KY felt pressure and needed to think harder. He might have gone to grandpa's or somewhere else to plan and sober up a little. KY thinks that obviously the people at work have seen too much for him to be able to wear his nice guy outfit anymore. He realizes he needs to choose a strategy to save his *advertiser censored*. He decides to cover all tracks - and to keep his mouth shut.

KY thinks:
"I need to get rid of all the evidence. Cleaning day it is. Damn, I hate cleaning."
"Bollocks, I have evidence scratched to my face. I must hide until it heals. Vitamin E?"
"Is the body hidden well, should I move it? Now let's see, where should I move it."
"Do I look adorable? Should I get a new tat?"

That day, KY spent all day thinking and doing those things. Driving to places and making sure. He probably had a map or a memo for keeping up with his arrends.

Later he finds out JR has been reported missing. His phone is beeping constantly. "Damn, already?" He just got back from securing the body. The car is hidden, but messy. KY still has to torch it. "I can't do it yet - the fire dept would arrive too soon", he thinks, feeling a little pressure and decides to stay low and wait for dark.

"After I torch the car, I need a lift. Who can I call?", KY wonders. He would prefer a friend that does not know too much about him, but someone that has helped him before. It is very important that KY does get that lift, so he heavily manipulates the friend to help him out. When the time is right, he unveils JR's car for the last time, packs a jerry can in the trunk and heads to Blue River Rd.

According to news footage, the car was found burning with big flames at 2 am, which tells me the fire was started around 1:15-1:30 am and was spotted quite soon after it was started. KY made the second mistake right here: he got too close to the flames and got his face burned.

KY was probably hiding in the woods or walking back to his place when fire dept arrived. Whatever residence that was, it was close by. KY then popped a few pills and had a couple of beers after a rough day at work, and eventually his friend picked him up. The friend probably had no idea what KY had been doing all day. I think the friend might have suspected something and told the LE where KY is hiding or simply LE asked the friend about it, since KY was caught sleeping, probably thinking LE would not get to him that soon.

I'm quite sure KY made more mistakes, especially during the early friday hours. I think he might have been extra sloppy in that timeframe since he was drunk. Some of those mistakes may still be left uncovered. Let's find those mistakes!
 
I really don't think he had help. Maybe getting to Edwards, but with the rest of it, no. He had an entire day to destroy evidence and do whatever else he needed to do before he left town. I think he attempted to go to work, was asked to leave due to his appearance and hangover, and then went home to sleep it off and make a plan. After that, he set out to destroy the main evidence. Who knows where JR was during that 9 am to 3 pm time period his grandfather said that her car was in his driveway. Most articles I've seen list her mother as reporting her missing at about 10:30 pm on Friday. My guess is he discovered that and then decided to just burn the car...He'd run out of time and had to get rid of it somehow. The car was found a few hours after JR was reported missing. KY had plenty of time to get rid of evidence on his own and figure out whatever plan he needed to get to Edwards, at least eight or nine hours if he started at 3 and then burned the car around midnight. What boggles my mind is how this guy who appears to be so unorganized and careless still has everyone grasping for clues three weeks later. That tells me that maybe he's done this more than once or twice.
I can see both scenarios (helper or no helper). Maybe I am digging into something that's irrelevant but the fact that he was even considering going to work and possibly could have ended up working a full shift (whatever that would be - still not clear on what his job is) means maybe he wasn't panicked about not having enough time to take care of everything, unless he knew they were going to send him home and he just wanted to strengthen his alibi by showing up. Maybe he knew he could do whatever he needed to do in a set period of time after he got home from work. It just seems like if you had all these loose ends to take care of, the last thing you would want to do is go into work knowing you could be stuck there and lose precious time and risk having everything laying out when the police came searching for him. Surely he knew he would be the first person they would go after being that he was the last seen with JR. Just trying to consider a few different possibilities until we have more info. His trial is this Thursday (9/29) at 1:30, so hopefully that will shake things up in the media. I can't imagine what JR'S family must be feeling at this point - there really hasn't been anything in the news for almost a week. I pray she is alive somewhere and is ok too.

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