MO - Mansur Ball-Bey, 18, killed by LE, St Louis, 19 Aug 2015

Wrong. They may be convicted at a rate eight times higher but to say they commit at that rate is laughable. Plenty of white collar criminals out there walking scot free. In fact this planet is run by white collar criminals if you hadn't noticed yet. JMO

We were talking specifically about suspects being in shoot outs with the cops. That is rarely going to happen with white collar criminals. We were talking about Mansur and why he was shot by the cops. Some have said he was shot because he was black and not because he had a weapon and was pointing it at them.

So then people pointed to statistics saying blacks are shot in greater numbers, percentage wise than whites. If we are going to take a look at that statistic then we need to look at the crime rates by race as well, imo. And NOT the white collar crimes because that is not where the cops are having the shootouts.

Just look at all of the violent crimes committed in that neighborhood where Mansur was shot. Mostly all gang related and done by gangs. Car hackings, home invasions, drive by shootings, armed robberies etc etc. The crime rates in the low income neighborhoods are 10 to 20 x that of the surrounding neighborhoods.
 
.... eta:
However, black men accounted for 40 percent of the 60 unarmed deaths,... http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2015/08/08/black-and-unarmed/ ....

bbm sbm Assuming WaPo's ^ analysis is correct and only X% or XX% of ppl shot to death by LEOs are armed,
do we logically conclude those deaths are the only possibly justified LE shootings? None of the other shootings c/be justified?
If that's the line of thinking, sorry, I respectfully disagree.

1. A person without a weapon in hand or w an object not likely to inflict fatal injury, e.g. stick or broom handle,
can use the less-than-typically-lethal weapon to overcome LEO and take control of LEO's firearm & use it to shoot him, possibly kill him.

Latest FBI data re LEOs killed I found end in 2009: https://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2009/aboutleoka.html
https://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2009/tabletitlelist.html
Table 14—Killed with Own Weapons, Victim Officer’s Type of Weapon, 2000–2009
(Table 36—Killed with Firearms, Distance Between Victim Officer and Offender, 2000–2009.
# victim officers killed = 490 and of those, 247 were shot from 0 to 5 ft away. Yikes!)

A diff database & tables re LEOKA cover LEOs assaulted. https://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2009/officersassaulted.html
A diff set for federal officers killed & assaulted. https://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2009/federalofficers.html

2. Neither LE, nor virtually any other mortal being, can reliably & consistently identify 'pellet guns' or some toys imo. Does not seem reasonable for LE protocol to dictate officers proceed by azz-uming a questionable gun cannot injure.
Has everyone here seen side by side pix of guns and pellet guns, lookalikes, replica guns, 'toy' guns, airsoft?
Ready to stake your life on ability to distinguish real from others? After a class on subject? Me neither.


JM2cts, could be all wrong.
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From above WaPo link:
"...every fatal shooting by police in 2015, The Post is separating the dead into four categories, based on information provided by police and other sources:
Someone is considered armed if he or she had a deadly weapon — such as a gun, a knife or a machete — or some other object that could inflict fatal injury given the circumstances of the encounter. People who drove aggressively at officers or otherwise used a vehicle to try to inflict harm are also considered armed.

A person is considered unarmed if he or she was not in possession of a weapon at the time of the shooting or was holding an object unlikely to inflict serious injury, such as a stick or a broom handle.
People brandishing pellet guns or other toy weapons — which often are indistinguishable from firearms — make up a third category.
And in some cases, The Post could not determine whether a person was armed because of conflicting accounts from witnesses or a lack of information."
 
No Charges in Fatal Police Shooting of Mansur Ball-Bey

Citing a lack of evidence, the St. Louis Circuit Attorney announces no charges will be filed against police who shot and killed a man during a daytime raid of a house near Walton and Page in August of 2015.

Killed was 18-year-old Mansur Ball-Bey, who police claimed pointed a gun at them as he ran outside, in the rear of the house.

An autopsy showed Ball-Bey died of a single wound to the back.

“Proving the officers committed a crime would require prosecutors to prove the officers were NOT acting in self-defense or the defense of others. There is no independent witness prosecutors can put in front of a grand jury or regular jury who contradicts police statements that Ball-Bey pointed his gun at them. None of the other witnesses had a clear view at the moment Ball-Bey was shot,” the report says.
 

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