GUILTY Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #23

[annalia]

Here are several video excerpts from the Peter de Vries show last night:

When watching Joran speak to Beth, he seemed humble and sincere, and even child-like, smiling about the coke and candy bar....but then the final look he gives her as he turns back, leaving the room is absolutely chilling....the look of the devil !! This is one very sick, scary man...MOO

respectfully snipped

Sending those emails to a victim's mother and demanding money claiming he would finally tell the truth about her daughter, he is repugnant. He seems humble and sincere because he is a sociopath.

I think the stress has taken it's toll on Beth, some parts were difficult to watch.

 

[georger]

Here are several video excerpts from the Peter de Vries show last night:

(The prison director that appears in the Castro Castro videos is not the same man who was the warden that was seen on videos when Joran first entered Castro Castro.)

with Joran in Castro Castro (Part 2) - conversation on video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?When watching Joran speak to Beth, he seemed humble and sincere, and even child-like, smiling about the coke and candy bar....but then the final look he gives her as he turns back, leaving the room is absolutely chilling....the look of the devil !! This is one very sick, scary man...MOO

Difficult to watch and listen to ...

Beth says she 'will wait him out' ... 'visit Yuron when he is 60 years
old in the prison'. How? Biology says otherwise.

I thought she was making progress before. I thought the whole
situation had found a mooring, sad as it is. Now I'm not sure.

 

[TallCoolOne]

No matter, my heart goes out to Beth. How do you let go when you don't know? I understand, it's easy to find fault sitting at your computer, safely tucked away, but her pain is still so raw and she's just trying to find that middle ground to get him to at least help her bring her baby girl home. I would not wish that on anyone.

 

[ziggy]

respectfully snipped

Sending those emails to a victim's mother and demanding money claiming he would finally tell the truth about her daughter, he is repugnant. He seems humble and sincere because he is a sociopath.

I think the stress has taken it's toll on Beth, some parts were difficult to watch.

Yeah I didn't see anything but a sociopath parroting what is expected of him, navigating carefully so as to not give up too much information or admit culpability yet "seem" to be humble and capable of taking responsibility.

Unless you know a sociopath you know how sadly futile this is and I teared up watching Beth in the van after leaving. She has got to understand he's not human; there is no soul and we can never expect him to act as a reasonable and normal person.

So sad.

 

[vokoya]

So who should I believe? Van Sloots lawyer or Holloways lawyer?

Beth Twitty entered Castro Castro prison Wednesday with a Dutch television news crew to talk with Joran van der Sloot, "but he refused, so there was no interview," said Van der Sloot's attorney, Maximo Altez.
http://bit.ly/cg6h4y
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In an interview Friday on NBC's "Today," lawyer John Q. Kelly said Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway, entered the jail "without violating any laws or breaking any regulations" and spoke with Joran van der Sloot. The jailed man is charged with killing a woman in Peru. NBC said Twitty entered the jail with a Dutch TV news crew.
http://bit.ly/cv7bDL
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[LadyL]

gosh I so wish Beth could get an answer and be able to bury her daughter

I'm wondering what exactly would Joran do with an email addy?

 

[LadyL]

Enrique is a class act.

 

[Kamille]

gosh I so wish Beth could get an answer and be able to bury her daughter

I'm wondering what exactly would Joran do with an email addy?

I so hope that someone is able to add english subtitles to that whole program. I'd love to know what PDV is saying.

I thought the same thing LadyL. He asked for her address. She should have given him an address that he could write to. It would be interesting to see if and what he would have sent her, in his own handwriting.

I certainly hope he doesn't have computer e-mail priveledges, and of course he can use that excuse when he doesn't correspond with her. Which I think we all know he won't. The only way to do that would be to have his lawyer type up something he wrote and send it to her and it's pretty unlikely that's going to happen.

MOO

 

[suzihawk]

So who should I believe? Van Sloots lawyer or Holloways lawyer?

Beth Twitty entered Castro Castro prison Wednesday with a Dutch television news crew to talk with Joran van der Sloot, "but he refused, so there was no interview," said Van der Sloot's attorney, Maximo Altez.
http://bit.ly/cg6h4y
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In an interview Friday on NBC's "Today," lawyer John Q. Kelly said Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway, entered the jail "without violating any laws or breaking any regulations" and spoke with Joran van der Sloot. The jailed man is charged with killing a woman in Peru. NBC said Twitty entered the jail with a Dutch TV news crew.
http://bit.ly/cv7bDL
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I can decide which lawyer I believe in less than a blink of an eye. Here's a hint... it's NOT Altez. To my knowledge, John Q. Kelly has never uttered an untrue word relating to this case (or any other, for that matter). He's maintained his dignity and professionalism throughout. That's more than I can say for some of the attorneys that represent(ed) JVS. Coughtacopinacough.

It's preposterous to think that a wired up Beth and a camera toting Peter DeVries snuck into that prison without so much as anyone giving them a second glance. I recall the process Jean Cesarez had to go through. Nope... someone 'allowed' it to happen. IMO, of course.

 

[FLNY]

Unfortunately, this video with Stephany's father, Ricardo Flores, is entirely in Spanish. But the text which accompanies it is just heart-breaking. Similar to Natalee, Joran continues to inflict pain and suffering on Stephany's family, as if losing a daughter to this monster isn't enough!

"The entrepreneur and former racer Ricardo Flores reported that Joran van der Sloot, alleged killer of his daughter Stephany Flores , live 'like kings' in the Castro Castro prison, where you can wander freely through a large courtyard and even buy marijuana.

That whole situation has caused deep anger among the relatives of the girl killed last May by the Dutch in a hotel in Miraflores.

Flores explained that his wife and their children are under psychological treatment and under the provision of drugs, after the tragic end of his daughter Stephany Flores."

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmLruB0-Ays[/ame]

 

[otto]

So who should I believe? Van Sloots lawyer or Holloways lawyer?

Beth Twitty entered Castro Castro prison Wednesday with a Dutch television news crew to talk with Joran van der Sloot, "but he refused, so there was no interview," said Van der Sloot's attorney, Maximo Altez.
http://bit.ly/cg6h4y
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In an interview Friday on NBC's "Today," lawyer John Q. Kelly said Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway, entered the jail "without violating any laws or breaking any regulations" and spoke with Joran van der Sloot. The jailed man is charged with killing a woman in Peru. NBC said Twitty entered the jail with a Dutch TV news crew.
http://bit.ly/cv7bDL
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There's a bit of truth in both statements. Someone on Peter's staff contacted the prison director and asked permission for Beth to interview Joran, and to have hidden cameras in the room. The director agreed. Peter repeats more than once that this could never happen in the Netherlands, but that things are different in Peru. Peter's staff then rigs up hidden cameras, and is permitted to enter the director's office 30 minutes ahead of time to install the hidden cameras. The appointment is set for exactly 2 o'clock for one hour. We see Beth enter the office, and at that moment Joran's lawyer contacts the prison director because he has learned what is going on. He warns the director that this interview is not allowed and that there will be problems if it goes ahead. Beth leaves the office, and she is heard pleading with Joran for an interview. Joran finally agrees to give her 5 minutes to say what she has to say. In this sense, it is not an interview. The meeting is terminated by the director, who announces that the 5 minutes is up, and Beth has to go.

Peter is in the other room having a fit because Beth is not saying the things that she said she wanted to say. According to him, she's going off script, and falling into Joran's manipulative tricks ... like responding to her request for information by telling her what she wants to hear - specifically that he will send her a letter. Peter was pretty upset that Beth was not following his advice on how to talk to someone like Joran ... essentially ... he knows that she will get no where talking with him as she is.

 

[FLNY]

Here's a more detailed text on Ricardo Flores comments on Castro Castro:

"Ricardo Flores, father of the young Stephany Flores who was murdered allegedly by Dutch Joran Van der Sloot, said he felt deceived by the authorities of the National Penitentiary Institute (INPE), who in their view provide certain privileges to the alleged murderer of his daughter."


http://translate.google.com/transla...undos&hl=en&rlz=1T4GZAZ_enUS377US377&prmd=ivo

 

[suzihawk]

It has to be incredibly frustrating to the Flores family (as well as the Holloway family) to sit back and watch JVS thrive in Castro Castro while receiving preferential treatment and treated like he's something special other than the sociopathic murdered that he is. I can't begin to imagine their outrage at being re-victimized by him repeatedly. My heart breaks for all of them.

 

[annalia]

There's a bit of truth in both statements. Someone on Peter's staff contacted the prison director and asked permission for Beth to interview Joran, and to have hidden cameras in the room. The director agreed. Peter repeats more than once that this could never happen in the Netherlands, but that things are different in Peru. Peter's staff then rigs up hidden cameras, and is permitted to enter the director's office 30 minutes ahead of time to install the hidden cameras. The appointment is set for exactly 2 o'clock for one hour. We see Beth enter the office, and at that moment Joran's lawyer contacts the prison director because he has learned what is going on. He warns the director that this interview is not allowed and that there will be problems if it goes ahead. Beth leaves the office, and she is heard pleading with Joran for an interview. Joran finally agrees to give her 5 minutes to say what she has to say. In this sense, it is not an interview. The meeting is terminated by the director, who announces that the 5 minutes is up, and Beth has to go.

Peter is in the other room having a fit because Beth is not saying the things that she said she wanted to say. According to him, she's going off script, and falling into Joran's manipulative tricks ... like responding to her request for information by telling her what she wants to hear - specifically that he will send her a letter. Peter was pretty upset that Beth was not following his advice on how to talk to someone like Joran ... essentially ... he knows that she will get no where talking with him as she is.

Was there more than one video? I didn't see much of what you're saying.

There was no script and I didn't see Peter throwing any fits because Beth didn't follow his advice or that she went off script. Peter asked Beth what she was going to say and she said she didn't know, that when she gets face to face with him it will just come from a mother's heart which it sounded like it did, begging him just to tell her where her daughter is.

I didn't see where it was up to or not up to Joran to give Beth five minutes either, When they accidently ran into each other in the hallway, Joran told her to contact his lawyer. Can you point out where he said ok I'll give you five minutes? If it's true than Joran lied that he was threatened into seeing with Beth.

Can you also point out in the video exactly what was said when you say that Altez warned them not to do it and that there will be problems if the interview goes forward?

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

I don't think that is what Altez was saying when he said there was no interview. Altez, imo was the one not being truthful. He said joran refused to see Beth and that was it. MOO It's reaching to say he meant that since it was only five minutes it didn't make it a real interview.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

It has to be incredibly frustrating to the Flores family (as well as the Holloway family) to sit back and watch JVS thrive in Castro Castro while receiving preferential treatment and treated like he's something special other than the sociopathic murdered that he is. I can't begin to imagine their outrage at being re-victimized by him repeatedly. My heart breaks for all of them.

It is amazing to me too suzihawk that it appears to be happening yet again to another family and he's not even on his home turf this time.

He is supposed to be in one of the most horrible places on earth, a place that most people would consider their worst nightmare, and it's not even affecting him. He looks healthy and no worse for the wear. He's got them all manipulated it seems. And another family is shattered and unable to cope with day to day living just hearing about his escapades.

Isn't this the second prison official that he's been responsible for them eventually losing their job? He just reeks havoc everywhere he goes. Everyone around him suffers while he just sits there all smug suing people.

Just unbelievable. :furious:

 

[FLNY]

"Judge Carlos Morales Cordova ordered the exam, according to the Peruvian website DiarioPrimeraPeru. The order also detailed that the tests be carried out by medical staff of the Institute of Legal Medicine at the Miguel Castro Castro prison..."

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localn...er-Sloot/d54L--ZDKkqdZq87zaDBWg.cspx?rss=1659

Here's the original article from Peru:

"The order was given by ... Judge Carlos Morales Cordova, who noted that this measure is given to know the state of health of the young mind and determine their degree of responsibility in this case....

Before detention, the alien was subjected to a psychological evaluation which indicated that the Dutch do not feel guilt for their actions and compassion for others."

http://translate.google.com/transla...n-a-van-der-sloot-en-castro-castro_65646.html

Can he possibly get off with an insanity plea?? Do they have that in Peru?? Let's pray that he doesn't weasel out of this and that justice will be done!!! :banghead:

 

[FLNY]

Found the answer on Joran using the insanity plea, it seems being found to be a psychopath, according to the initial testing, as reported on June 10, will be worse for him, as it excludes the murder from being a 'crime of passion'.

"The results of psychological expertise that was put Joran Andreas Petrus Dutchman van der Sloot described him as a person with psychopathic traits identity, and antisocial. A person cold, calculating, aggressive, acting with cruelty, treachery and complete knowledge of his actions, he does not feel blame for what does and does not show compassion to the suffering of others is what is taken from document prepared by Forensic Psychology Department of the Directorate of Criminology (DIRCRI) of National Police.

This would help the complaint against Holland for the murder of Stephanie Flores is on the charge of homicide, because it would be to show that he acted with "cruelty and ferocity," which rejects the idea that he seeks to wield the Peruvian justice system, which killed the young in an act of "violent emotion."

http://translate.google.com/transla...acion-concluye-que-es-un-psicopata_64023.html (originally published 6/10/10)

 

[otto]

Was there more than one video? I didn't see much of what you're saying.

There was no script and I didn't see Peter throwing any fits because Beth didn't follow his advice or that she went off script. Peter asked Beth what she was going to say and she said she didn't know, that when she gets face to face with him it will just come from a mother's heart which it sounded like it did, begging him just to tell her where her daughter is.

I didn't see where it was up to or not up to Joran to give Beth five minutes either, When they accidently ran into each other in the hallway, Joran told her to contact his lawyer. Can you point out where he said ok I'll give you five minutes? If it's true than Joran lied that he was threatened into seeing with Beth.

Can you also point out in the video exactly what was said when you say that Altez warned them not to do it and that there will be problems if the interview goes forward?

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

I don't think that is what Altez was saying when he said there was no interview. Altez, imo was the one not being truthful. He said joran refused to see Beth and that was it. MOO It's reaching to say he meant that since it was only five minutes it didn't make it a real interview.

MOO

So, you're skeptical that what I say is true. Fair enough.

My first question for you is whether you speak Dutch. If you do, then I suggest you view them again as I can only say that in the three videos that I watched (and I can't say which it was), there was very definitely a segment that I described in my previous post. If you don't speak Dutch, then that would explain why you are not aware of much of the content from the videos. The videos I watched were posted on another site. It is the segment where Peter is sitting in the one room monitoring the surveillance equipment in the Director's office.

These are the clips I watched:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeKZl6T6Kc&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=705G6JJ_o9U&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN2CvdCAExY&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

 

[annalia]

So, you're skeptical that what I say is true. Fair enough.

My first question for you is whether you speak Dutch. If you do, then I suggest you view them again as I can only say that in the three videos that I watched (and I can't say which it was), there was very definitely a segment that I described in my previous post. If you don't speak Dutch, then that would explain why you are not aware of much of the content from the videos. The videos I watched were posted on another site. It is the segment where Peter is sitting in the one room monitoring the surveillance equipment in the Director's office.

These are the clips I watched:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeKZl6T6Kc&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=705G6JJ_o9U&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN2CvdCAExY&feature=player_embedded

Are you saying you do speak Dutch Otto? I did watch the videos several times and had parts translated for me, maybe I missed the parts you're talking about.

Those three videos that you posted are from the first show with Joran extorting beth and all of his emails were shown, they don't really touch on Castro Castro. Here is the video from the second show inside Castro Castro.

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/...beth-en-joran/

Since you speak Dutch could you possibly point out and translate where Altez is telling them that they better not do the interview and that there will be problems if they go ahead, where it was that Joran told Beth he would give her five minutes to say what she had to say and where Peter was throwing a fit because Beth went off script?

If Joran told Beth he would give her five minutes then he must have been lying again when he said afterwards that he was forced into going into seeing Beth and was threatened with solitary if he didn't.

 

[otto]

I give up !!! In the 15 minutes that it took me to review the clip you linked and post a detailed reply, the website logged me out and I lost my post.

So ... check out 27 minutes for the lawyer segment, 34 minutes and 36 minutes for Peter getting upset because "it's a missed chance", and 40 minutes for Peter to add remarks about Beth initially saying that she wanted to say this or that to him, and then saying completely different things.

About the 5 minutes ... indeed, Beth asked for 2, Beth returns to the room, the director and Joran talk privately, Joran enters the room, the director ends the meeting at 5 minutes. I made the assumption that Joran agreed to the 5 minutes.

Peter says that the director was shocked at the tone of Joran's lawyer. Advocaat is lawyer in Dutch. Listen for that word ... that's where Peter mentions that Joran's lawyer was tipped off about what was going on.